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Exhaust drone? #4596459
12/06/17 07:48 PM
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After months of exhaustive searches and $$$ replacing various engine components, would appear my "rough idle" is actually exhaust drone. Is anyone else familiar with this issue??


06 Escalade 6.0L LQ9 AWD 165k M1 0w40
03 Maxima 3.5L POS 152k ST HM 10w30
Re: Exhaust drone? [Re: LeakySeals] #4596462
12/06/17 07:50 PM
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Factory exhaust?


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Re: Exhaust drone? [Re: LeakySeals] #4596465
12/06/17 07:52 PM
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At IDLE RPM?!?!?

Usually, exhaust systems do not resonate at such a low frequency.

Typically, build a Helmholtz exhaust resonator to fix the issue.


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Re: Exhaust drone? [Re: LeakySeals] #4596466
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Common with cheap aftermarket mid pipes.


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Re: Exhaust drone? [Re: LeakySeals] #4596472
12/06/17 08:00 PM
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How did you diagnose? Usually a rough idle will have the engine shaking under the hood. So open hood, vehicle chocked and in gear at idle and you can see the engine moving. If it's sitting still, it's something else ...


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Re: Exhaust drone? [Re: LeakySeals] #4596496
12/06/17 08:16 PM
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Aside from the cheap aftermarket replacement exhausts, this can also happen with gutted catalytic converters. Is it the Escalade or the Maximia?


2017 Ford Fiesta 1.0T - Valvoline SynPower 5W-20, Motorcraft FL910S
1988 GMC K1500 4.3/700R4 - Supertech 15W-40, Fram TG3980
1986 Ford Ranger 2.0 - uhh
Re: Exhaust drone? [Re: LeakySeals] #4596501
12/06/17 08:20 PM
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Is it possibly a big leak and not a drone per say?


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Re: Exhaust drone? [Re: LeakySeals] #4596520
12/06/17 08:28 PM
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Its the Escalade 6.0 AWD. OEM exhaust. Brand new catalyst. And apparently the OEM exhaust is partly to blame. Because some claim to get rid of the moan/drone using a rerouted aftermarket exhaust for huge money. The area that wraps from the driver's side over the transmission pan vibrates for some like me. Got worse after the new 3 way cat was installed by dealer. Its real throaty, many would love it. I hate all that noise and vibration. I knocked that area it with a rubber mallet, feels just like what I feel at the gas pedal.

Supposedly 2 of these weird things hanging off the exhaust helps.




I also found this which refers to the issue

Document ID# 1820205
Subject: Exhaust Vibration,Resonance,or moan.
Also look for #PIP3121E (04/24/06)
Includes:
01-06Cad Escalade
02-06 Chev Av
99-06 Chev Silv
00-06 Chev Sub, Tahoe
99-06 GMC Sierra
00-06 GMC Yukon
03-06 Hummer

Condition is listed as "some 99-06 with single exhaust system may exhibit exhaust vibration that is engine load sensitive. Typically, this will happen just off idle to 2000 RPM on light acceleration."


06 Escalade 6.0L LQ9 AWD 165k M1 0w40
03 Maxima 3.5L POS 152k ST HM 10w30
Re: Exhaust drone? [Re: LeakySeals] #4596547
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Have you crawled underneath to look at it? The exhaust could be rubbing on something.


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Re: Exhaust drone? [Re: LeakySeals] #4596554
12/06/17 08:46 PM
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Oh yeah, I think I know exactly the drone you are talking about now. I never had anyone complain about it, so I never had to fix it. I have seen those vibration damping weights on some models. That is probably a good fix as long as the weights are designed for this specific application.


2017 Ford Fiesta 1.0T - Valvoline SynPower 5W-20, Motorcraft FL910S
1988 GMC K1500 4.3/700R4 - Supertech 15W-40, Fram TG3980
1986 Ford Ranger 2.0 - uhh
Re: Exhaust drone? [Re: Nick1994] #4596565
12/06/17 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted By: Nick1994
Have you crawled underneath to look at it? The exhaust could be rubbing on something.

Oh yeah. I know every inch of that truck. My baby. She's clean under there. The exhaust is very close to a mount. But thats supposedly normal. Other than that a rubber muffler mounting bracket has a small tear. The rest has no rust, like new.


06 Escalade 6.0L LQ9 AWD 165k M1 0w40
03 Maxima 3.5L POS 152k ST HM 10w30
Re: Exhaust drone? [Re: LeakySeals] #4596684
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I would go with the exhaust weights: cheap fix. Not sure why you would need 2 though, but whatever others have claimed works, I would do that and be done with it.
They are just painted , so I would not expect them to last more than 5 years.

Re: Exhaust drone? [Re: LeakySeals] #4596736
12/07/17 02:40 AM
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Fit an external tach to verify idle rpm.


Cable ties should hold it
Re: Exhaust drone? [Re: LeakySeals] #4596919
12/07/17 09:01 AM
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It has a tach. It does happen 1800-2k rpms under certain conditions. Vibration runs right up your leg.. lol


06 Escalade 6.0L LQ9 AWD 165k M1 0w40
03 Maxima 3.5L POS 152k ST HM 10w30
Re: Exhaust drone? [Re: LeakySeals] #4601053
12/11/17 08:33 PM
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LOL, your issues wan't "acoustic drone", you are experiencing an unintentional mechanical harmonic.

Try the weights - they are cheap.

ANY amount of mass WILL affect the frequency that the harmonic occurs.


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