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#4590096 - 11/30/17 04:29 PM [Cut Open] Fram XG4967 - 10,452 mi
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Note this is a SMALL filter











As usual UOA in the mail, media drying out.
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#4590127 - 11/30/17 04:56 PM Re: [Cut Open] Fram XG4967 - 10,452 mi [Re: DuckRyder]
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DuckRyder: filter looks very good. Thank You for c&p smile
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#4590208 - 11/30/17 06:13 PM Re: [Cut Open] Fram XG4967 - 10,452 mi [Re: DuckRyder]
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Nice! I put one of those on my echo.
11,000kms on it so far. Another 5k or so to go.

Does that XG8A have the same size gasket? That would be a lifetime filter on the echo!
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#4590391 - 11/30/17 08:59 PM Re: [Cut Open] Fram XG4967 - 10,452 mi [Re: DuckRyder]
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Looks like stout little filter for sure. Thanks for the C&P.
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#4590414 - 11/30/17 09:34 PM Re: [Cut Open] Fram XG4967 - 10,452 mi [Re: DuckRyder]
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The oil holes are very smooth,no burrs. They look very precisionly cut.
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#4590463 - 11/30/17 10:38 PM Re: [Cut Open] Fram XG4967 - 10,452 mi [Re: DuckRyder]
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Can't go wrong with the Ultra. Thanks for sharing.
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#4590567 - 12/01/17 04:51 AM Re: [Cut Open] Fram XG4967 - 10,452 mi [Re: DuckRyder]
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Looks very good. Very tiny indeed.
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#4590575 - 12/01/17 05:07 AM Re: [Cut Open] Fram XG4967 - 10,452 mi [Re: dlundblad]
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Ain't has small as the 6607 smile

That's got it beat for sure. Very good job here Robert. You add a lot of good information/work here.
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#4590596 - 12/01/17 06:15 AM Re: [Cut Open] Fram XG4967 - 10,452 mi [Re: DuckRyder]
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Another boring FU (a good thing) at a substantial fci. The shorty 4967 is the SAE thread equivalent of the metric 6607. Not many cases in my observation where the longer but otherwise same specs 4386 and 7317 respectively won't fit too. Also noticed the addition to the corner of the pics. smile2

Thanks for c&p.

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#4590598 - 12/01/17 06:16 AM Re: [Cut Open] Fram XG4967 - 10,452 mi [Re: bbhero]
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Originally Posted By: car51
DuckRyder: filter looks very good. Thank You for c&p smile


You are welcome of course. Filter has more gunk (note use of highly technical term) in the bottom than expected but is a solid piece for sure and the gunk is the cars fault not the filter...

Originally Posted By: mcwilly
Nice! I put one of those on my echo.
11,000kms on it so far. Another 5k or so to go.

Does that XG8A have the same size gasket? That would be a lifetime filter on the echo!


I think the gasket is larger on the XG8A, I will check today, though I realize you are probably joking.

Originally Posted By: sw99
Looks like stout little filter for sure. Thanks for the C&P.


You are welcome of course. It is a nice filter.

Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
The oil holes are very smooth,no burrs. They look very precisionly cut.


Yep, typical Fram tapping plate, nicely made with no rough edges.

Originally Posted By: Run
Can't go wrong with the Ultra. Thanks for sharing.


No problem on the sharing naturally . Fram definitely has a hit with the Ultra... I only have one complaint I’ll get to in a minute...

Originally Posted By: dlundblad
Looks very good. Very tiny indeed.


thumbsup approved

Originally Posted By: bbhero
Ain't has small as the 6607 smile

That's got it beat for sure. Very good job here Robert. You add a lot of good information/work here.


I was thinking that the 6607 was about the same size, I always get confused as to whether the Prius takes this on or the 6607 but the threads are different if that is the one I am thinking of...

I do try to add value, My pictures are not coming out as well as I would like lately - need to try to fix that... Thank You though.

Originally Posted By: Sayjac
Another boring FU (a good thing) at a substantial fci. The shorty 4967 is the SAE thread equivalent of the metric 6607. Not many cases in my observation where the longer but otherwise same specs 4386 and 7317 respectively won't fit too. Also noticed the addition to the corner of the pics. smile2

Thanks for c&p.


Welcome of course. A longer filter would in fact fit Toyota even sells a longer version under TRD guise. This was 2 OCI and intent is to run the new one at least this long with ~10,000 OCI vs factory recommended 5000. Thought you might like the corners.

Changing this filter reminds me why I detest the “SureGrip”. This filter is sort of up in a hole you can get your hand on it pretty easily, but exerting any actual force is another story entirely. It would be very very easy to change if you could get the cap wrench on it, but you can’t because of the SureGrip. It is pretty tight to get any sort of strap or plier type oil filter wrench up there (again getting it to grab the filter is one thing, actually turning it is quite another) which is why the filter is a bit mangled. I wish FPS were easier to get.

FRAM seems pretty fully committed to the SureGrip, but I wish they would stop. Clearly with the “PRO series” they have realized it may not be desirable and I would think that an ever increasing number of vehicles have access issues.


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#4590616 - 12/01/17 06:44 AM Re: [Cut Open] Fram XG4967 - 10,452 mi [Re: DuckRyder]
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Originally Posted By: DuckRyder

Changing this filter reminds me why I detest the “SureGrip”. This filter is sort of up in a hole you can get your hand on it pretty easily, but exerting any actual force is another story entirely.


Try not tightening it so much.

Most folks over-tighten their filters - - You'd be really surprised to see how loose they can get and still not leak.
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#4590633 - 12/01/17 07:04 AM Re: [Cut Open] Fram XG4967 - 10,452 mi [Re: DuckRyder]
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Registered: 09/21/10
Posts: 6402
Loc: Texas
Changing this filter reminds me why I detest the “SureGrip”. This filter is sort of up in a hole you can get your hand on it pretty easily, but exerting any actual force is another story entirely. It would be very very easy to change if you could get the cap wrench on it, but you can’t because of the SureGrip. It is pretty tight to get any sort of strap or plier type oil filter wrench up there (again getting it to grab the filter is one thing, actually turning it is quite another) which is why the filter is a bit mangled. I wish FPS were easier to get.

FRAM seems pretty fully committed to the SureGrip, but I wish they would stop. Clearly with the “PRO series” they have realized it may not be desirable and I would think that an ever increasing number of vehicles have access issues. [/quote]

Agree ~ when you don’t have a wide open space that coating can work against you. Worse for me is the Fusion Hybrid ~ in fact I just bought it the K&N for the 1” nut feature
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#4590863 - 12/01/17 10:52 AM Re: [Cut Open] Fram XG4967 - 10,452 mi [Re: mcwilly]
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Registered: 08/27/04
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Loc: Katy, Republic of Texas
Originally Posted By: mcwilly
...

Does that XG8A have the same size gasket? That would be a lifetime filter on the echo!

No, from the Fram site:
XG4967- 2.118/2.438
XG8- 2.422/2.797

The inner diameter of the XG8 is right at the outer diameter of the XG4967.
It is possible they could interchange, depending on the size of the mount on the vehicle (and enough space for the filter). Bypass is close (12 PSI on the XG8, 14 PSI on the XG4967).

Originally Posted By: DuckRyder
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Changing this filter reminds me why I detest the “SureGrip”. This filter is sort of up in a hole you can get your hand on it pretty easily, but exerting any actual force is another story entirely. It would be very very easy to change if you could get the cap wrench on it, but you can’t because of the SureGrip. It is pretty tight to get any sort of strap or plier type oil filter wrench up there (again getting it to grab the filter is one thing, actually turning it is quite another) which is why the filter is a bit mangled. I wish FPS were easier to get.

FRAM seems pretty fully committed to the SureGrip, but I wish they would stop. Clearly with the “PRO series” they have realized it may not be desirable and I would think that an ever increasing number of vehicles have access issues.


That was one of my concerns with the Sureggrip (fitting my filter endcap wrench) and it works just fine with mine (PH2 size, a 93/15 fits fine).

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#4591003 - 12/01/17 12:47 PM Re: [Cut Open] Fram XG4967 - 10,452 mi [Re: DuckRyder]
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Registered: 12/08/10
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Every Fram I have seen has very sharp inlet holes, usually with small burs. Just don't understand the rose colored glasses. It's a product made by a company, what it is, it is. They have different geometry that avoids cutting the adbv, although some have impressions of the holes in them. The 4967 has a wide land for the adbv to seal on, others models don't, like the 3614. IMHO

The other thing easily seen here are the nubs on the end cap. All the oil flow has to go in that narrow gap the nubs provide. I would say that is more restrictive looking than inlet holes, just by eye. But it's surely calculated by the company, like the inlet holes. No one talks about the small gap for oil flow though on these filters.

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#4591040 - 12/01/17 01:29 PM Re: [Cut Open] Fram XG4967 - 10,452 mi [Re: goodtimes]
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Registered: 07/22/10
Posts: 17786
Loc: PNW
Originally Posted By: goodtimes
The other thing easily seen here are the nubs on the end cap. All the oil flow has to go in that narrow gap the nubs provide. I would say that is more restrictive looking than inlet holes, just by eye. But it's surely calculated by the company, like the inlet holes. No one talks about the small gap for oil flow though on these filters.

Every filter I've cut open, or seen cut open here, regardless of brand, has what looks like a narrow gap betweem the can and end cap. Also, cutting the can with a cutting tool can roll the can edge and make the can look smaller in ID than actual.

"Nubs" on the end cap actually make it possible to increase that gap and still keep the element centered in the can. Keeping an even gap also helps ensure the oil flow distribution into the element is evened out. Nothing wrong with having nubs, it's a plus to the design IMO.

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