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#4520932 - 09/20/17 06:04 AM Such a thing as universal 2 stroke oil?
Sealbilly Offline


Registered: 07/02/16
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Loc: EasTn
Sick of having three different gas cans for lawn equipment, chainsaw and my boat. Anyone make a "universal" 2 stroke oil I can run in air cooled engines and water cooled mariner outboard that is of good quality?

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#4520934 - 09/20/17 06:09 AM Re: Such a thing as universal 2 stroke oil? [Re: Sealbilly]
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#4520944 - 09/20/17 06:45 AM Re: Such a thing as universal 2 stroke oil? [Re: Sealbilly]
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I can't see that a Universal is impossible...but it would be a compromise in all three areas.

If you mean universal in specification AND mix rate, then I think that you are SOOL...

I used TCW-3 at 25:1 in everything I had, for 20+ years, and twice had the spark catcher on the weedwhacker gum up. I don't consider that a failure, as the crosshatch was still on the bore after 15 years.

I dropped the weedwhaker to valvoline racing...just because it was on special.

http://www.amref.com/Media/Files/bp_pb/7253_BP_Low_Pour_Universal_2Stroke_PB.pdf

try that ... 25:1

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#4520989 - 09/20/17 07:55 AM Re: Such a thing as universal 2 stroke oil? [Re: Sealbilly]
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Interesting that it has viscosity of [email protected] 100C and they still claim that you can mix it @1:100 eek
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#4521038 - 09/20/17 08:55 AM Re: Such a thing as universal 2 stroke oil? [Re: Sealbilly]
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While Amsoil's Saber is recommended for hand held air cooled equipment, I also used it in my 50hp Evinrude for 12 years, all at 100-1 mix ratio. I use it in my chainsaw, weed whip, leaf blower as well.
Saber Saber

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#4521072 - 09/20/17 09:40 AM Re: Such a thing as universal 2 stroke oil? [Re: Sealbilly]
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Registered: 01/25/08
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Sten Mix claims to be a universal oil that's good for all ratios:
https://www.amazon.com/Sten-Cycle-Carton-Pillow-Misc/dp/B00PKE6RFI
EDIT: I just realized you're asking about marine 2-stroke oil. The Sten Mix would work well for lawn equipment, but I would have a separate can of marine 2-stroke oil for the boat.
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#4521079 - 09/20/17 09:52 AM Re: Such a thing as universal 2 stroke oil? [Re: Sealbilly]
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I'm with Shannow, I think if you mix around 30:1 and don't have highly stressed engines, you probably will never have an oil related failure using almost any 2t oil in most 2t motors.
If you've got motors with powervalve exhaust ports, or are running a small pro chainsaw hard in the summer, you could run into some issues with using lower quality oil of the wrong type.
This year I'm running 94 octane with JASO-FC or FD 2t oil at 30:1 in all my 2t stuff as the dirt bike need this and the weed wacker and saw use only a small fraction of what the bike uses. My outboard is a 40 year old 9.9 so its not too picky.



Edited by IndyIan (09/20/17 09:55 AM)
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#4521230 - 09/20/17 12:28 PM Re: Such a thing as universal 2 stroke oil? [Re: Sealbilly]
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Registered: 09/23/14
Posts: 1341
Loc: Toronto Canada
I have used TCW-3 marine oil in my outboard and chainsaw without any problems for 30 years. I just wouldn't use it in a motorcycle.

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#4521297 - 09/20/17 01:29 PM Re: Such a thing as universal 2 stroke oil? [Re: WobblyElvis]
Linctex Offline


Registered: 12/31/16
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Loc: Waco, TX
Originally Posted By: WobblyElvis
I have used TCW-3 marine oil in my outboard and chainsaw without any problems for 30 years.


Same here, actually over 30 years. I've used the same stuff in all my air and liquid cooled motocross bikes also. Everything gets the same oil, and I have never had an oil related failure from anything.
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#4521367 - 09/20/17 02:24 PM Re: Such a thing as universal 2 stroke oil? [Re: Shannow]
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Registered: 04/09/08
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Loc: Onondaga County
Originally Posted By: Shannow
I can't see that a Universal is impossible...but it would be a compromise in all three areas.

If you mean universal in specification AND mix rate, then I think that you are SOOL...

I used TCW-3 at 25:1 in everything I had, for 20+ years, and twice had the spark catcher on the weedwhacker gum up. I don't consider that a failure, as the crosshatch was still on the bore after 15 years.

I dropped the weedwhaker to valvoline racing...just because it was on special.

http://www.amref.com/Media/Files/bp_pb/7253_BP_Low_Pour_Universal_2Stroke_PB.pdf

try that ... 25:1


I wasn't educated on 2 stroke oils - I thought it was all the same. I ran TCW-3 in my 2 stroke generator because I thought it was "better". It wasn't happy, that's for sure. Engine would start spark knocking after 20 or 30 minutes of run time.
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#4524254 - 09/23/17 06:26 PM Re: Such a thing as universal 2 stroke oil? [Re: Sealbilly]
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Registered: 09/06/15
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Motul 710 is about as close as I have ever found a universal 2-stroke oil. If you can find it locally for less than $12/L, go for it smile

Of course I have no issues running Merc Outboard oil in everything by the high strung saws laugh


Edited by BrocLuno (09/23/17 06:27 PM)
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#4525701 - 09/25/17 11:40 AM Re: Such a thing as universal 2 stroke oil? [Re: Sealbilly]
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#4528624 - 09/28/17 05:20 PM Re: Such a thing as universal 2 stroke oil? [Re: Sealbilly]
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#4529313 - 09/29/17 11:09 AM Re: Such a thing as universal 2 stroke oil? [Re: Mike72]
fins Offline


Registered: 07/19/06
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Loc: ohio
Okay.......you got me

What is the difference in two stroke oils ???

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#4536746 - 10/08/17 02:10 AM Re: Such a thing as universal 2 stroke oil? [Re: Sealbilly]
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Registered: 12/16/06
Posts: 968
Loc: Sweden
But the thing is to find a non ash TCW3 that also rates high on air cooled land equpipment. Anyone? It would be a good solution for the one can household.

like others, I also had some problem running shell TCW3 in a string trimmer, kind of gummed up and made the plug short out in only like 20 liters of fuel.

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