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Schaeffers 5w30, 6,271 miles in F150 3.5 Ecoboost #4516431
09/14/17 07:21 PM
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This was my first run with Schaeffers 9000 Full Synthetic (the other two UOAs are M1). Glad to see it didn't shear down as much as the M1 has, but the wear numbers took an unexpected jump. I only had 25 hours of idle on this cycle (14%) and the OLM was at 39%...tracking with Ford's apparent 10,000 mile hard stop on the OLM. I know the wear metals will increase with miles, but I had 32hrs of idle (20%) and 61hrs (30%) on the first and second cycles respectively.

Ran a Fram Ultra for the first time and used premium fuel. I ran a lot of highway miles on this cycle, including a 1,400 mile weekend trip.

I sent a sample of this oil off to Blackstone for a VOA back in April. That info is Here




Last edited by Onug; 09/14/17 07:24 PM.

2016 F-150 3.5L Ecoboost
Current Oil: Castrol Magnatec 5W-30 and Fram Ultra filter
Re: Schaeffers 5w30, 6,271 miles in F150 3.5 Ecoboost [Re: Onug] #4516480
09/14/17 08:05 PM
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It's better for an oil to shear a tad than thicken(oxidize). Looks good for a new engine.


2007 Ford Fusion 232,000 miles
M1 0-20 EP
2017 Ford Fusion 55K
M1 0-20 EP
10,000 mile OCIs on both engines
M1 ATF and MC LV
M1 10-30 in all OPE
MC filters

Re: Schaeffers 5w30, 6,271 miles in F150 3.5 Ecoboost [Re: Onug] #4516491
09/14/17 08:15 PM
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My .02. Go to WM,get some M1,run it 5,000 miles,change it,save the uoa money.

Re: Schaeffers 5w30, 6,271 miles in F150 3.5 Ecoboost [Re: Onug] #4516551
09/14/17 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted By: Onug
This was my first run with Schaeffers 9000 Full Synthetic (the other two UOAs are M1). Glad to see it didn't shear down as much as the M1 has, but the wear numbers took an unexpected jump. I only had 25 hours of idle on this cycle (14%) and the OLM was at 39%...tracking with Ford's apparent 10,000 mile hard stop on the OLM. I know the wear metals will increase with miles, but I had 32hrs of idle (20%) and 61hrs (30%) on the first and second cycles respectively.

Ran a Fram Ultra for the first time and used premium fuel. I ran a lot of highway miles on this cycle, including a 1,400 mile weekend trip.

I sent a sample of this oil off to Blackstone for a VOA back in April. That info is Here



This may not mean anything, but considering you ran the Schaffer's for more miles, the wear numbers are pretty relative. Was the M1 the regular M1, or EP, etc.?

Re: Schaeffers 5w30, 6,271 miles in F150 3.5 Ecoboost [Re: Onug] #4516556
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Those pentane insolubles crept up on that last run. Those turbos are cooking the oil a little. These Ecoboosts are pretty hard on oil, it seems. After my last UOA's, I am thinking of using the M1 10W-30 HM for the next tests.

Re: Schaeffers 5w30, 6,271 miles in F150 3.5 Ecoboost [Re: Onug] #4516632
09/14/17 10:54 PM
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The M1 is the standard stuff. I'm just playing around and running some tests with this truck. I'm running the Schaeffers for two cycles that will match the M1 tests (Sept-Dec, Jan-April, both with lots of idling). It will be interesting to see how my first UOA matches up with the M1 in January. Then next spring I'm switching over to Magnatec and repeating the cycle.


2016 F-150 3.5L Ecoboost
Current Oil: Castrol Magnatec 5W-30 and Fram Ultra filter
Re: Schaeffers 5w30, 6,271 miles in F150 3.5 Ecoboost [Re: Onug] #4516649
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Keep us updated. Sounds like a good test cycle.

Re: Schaeffers 5w30, 6,271 miles in F150 3.5 Ecoboost [Re: bigj_16] #4516678
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Thanks for the research!

Originally Posted By: bigj_16
This may not mean anything, but considering you ran the Schaffer's for more miles, the wear numbers are pretty relative.


^^ This ^^

More miles makes more metal. Try not to get OCD over a couple parts per million.


"The evidence demands a verdict".
(Re:VOA)"it's nearly impossible to actually know the particular additives that are in there at what concentrations."
Re: Schaeffers 5w30, 6,271 miles in F150 3.5 Ecoboost [Re: Linctex] #4516735
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Great PCMO BEST add pack + antimony used Schaeffers 5w 30 SL for many years after 7500 oil changes no Shear & no Oil pressure loss . What slse can U say used to get it in 5 gallon pails .No gimmicks.

Re: Schaeffers 5w30, 6,271 miles in F150 3.5 Ecoboost [Re: tig1] #4516736
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Where is this oil shearing after 6700 miles in a ECO BOOST ? . STILL A SOLID 5w 30 not like many other produts out there . Wake up

Re: Schaeffers 5w30, 6,271 miles in F150 3.5 Ecoboost [Re: LEADED] #4516816
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Originally Posted By: LEADED
Where is this oil shearing after 6700 miles in a ECO BOOST ? . STILL A SOLID 5w 30 not like many other produts out there . Wake up


Wake up? Feel free to slow down and read my entire post. I never said the Schaeffers was out of spec.

And welcome to the forum.


2016 F-150 3.5L Ecoboost
Current Oil: Castrol Magnatec 5W-30 and Fram Ultra filter
Re: Schaeffers 5w30, 6,271 miles in F150 3.5 Ecoboost [Re: Onug] #4516847
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Originally Posted By: Onug
The M1 is the standard stuff. I'm just playing around and running some tests with this truck. I'm running the Schaeffers for two cycles that will match the M1 tests (Sept-Dec, Jan-April, both with lots of idling). It will be interesting to see how my first UOA matches up with the M1 in January. Then next spring I'm switching over to Magnatec and repeating the cycle.


You can't really glean much by doing that process other than by watching for any anomolies and determining which lube you can run longer by tracking TBN/TAN. If you haven't read the links from the main page of the site, I suggest starting with this one:

https://bobistheoilguy.com/used-oil-analysis/


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Re: Schaeffers 5w30, 6,271 miles in F150 3.5 Ecoboost [Re: LEADED] #4516881
09/15/17 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted By: LEADED
Where is this oil shearing after 6700 miles in a ECO BOOST ? . STILL A SOLID 5w 30 not like many other produts out there . Wake up

It is down near the lower end of the grade. I don't know what it started at, but it probably has sheared or diluted some. It was stated that it didn't do it AS MUCH as M1. It is a solid performance.

Re: Schaeffers 5w30, 6,271 miles in F150 3.5 Ecoboost [Re: Onug] #4516941
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I'd hardly call an iron increase of 0.5ppm/1k miles a 'jump' in wear, but looking at the overall trends I wouldn't call the Schaeffer's any 'worse' if you ran the same OCI. TBN is still solid, but insolubles ticked up a hair.

One UOA does not make a trend, I say run either oil whichever is cheaper, run the same oil for at least 3-4 OCI and check your trends then. If you double up oil changes on the same FU filter, keep an eye on insolubles.

Re: Schaeffers 5w30, 6,271 miles in F150 3.5 Ecoboost [Re: Onug] #4516981
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Thanks for the welcome, but I been a member since 2002 .

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