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DODGE power steering fluid CONFUSION #4481930
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My manual says ATF+4 (I was thinking of using maxlife but all my walmart has is SuperTech ATF+4) for my recently aquired 2005 Ram 1500 with about 100k miles.

Dodge dealer says that has been superceeded by a special Mopar PS fluid with specific aditives for Dodge PS units. Re-engineered basically in retrospect their Ps fluid.

What do you all think? Is the SuperTech ATF+4 good enough and has good additives or is the Mopar a must to prevent leaks starting from the cleaning effects of fresh fluid in there?

Re: DODGE power steering fluid CONFUSION [Re: SumpChump] #4481965
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The store brand ATF+4 will be just fine. Remember, it does carry official approval from Chrysler as a licensed ATF+4 smile

In fact, everything on Chrysler's official ATF+4 approved list is the same, since they require a specific group III base oil and a special Lubrizol add pack. So any licensed ATF+4 will work as intended, from cheap Walmart brand all the way to dealer ATF+4 (which is actually made by Valvoline AFAIK)

However, the absolute best ATF+4 to use, if you can afford it, is Red Line C+. Even though it's not licensed, it is a great product and better than what Chrysler will approve. Red Line C+ uses the same add pack as licensed ATF+4 but with a group V ester base stock, making it ineligible for official ATF+4 approval.

Re: DODGE power steering fluid CONFUSION [Re: SumpChump] #4481977
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I wonder if the dealer was confused and was talking about the fluid developed for the Grand Cherokee circa 2005+.

See post #4 here: http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f67/power-steering-fluid-question-1754010/

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Here's a relevant TSB, but it is over 10 years old: http://dodgeram.info/tsb/2005/19-008-05.htm

I have yet to find anything that recommends the MS-10838 Grand Cherokee fluid in Ram pickups. I would go to the dealer and ask them to show you their current fluid database.


Re: DODGE power steering fluid CONFUSION [Re: doitmyself] #4481999
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Originally Posted By: doitmyself
Here's a relevant TSB, but it is over 10 years old: http://dodgeram.info/tsb/2005/19-008-05.htm


So the parts "dude" had it wrong indeed. Or shall I say ...was mistaken. +4 is the one for the Ram.

I'll be turkey baster-ing so that shoul eliminate any air problems right?

Re: DODGE power steering fluid CONFUSION [Re: SumpChump] #4482034
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I can't see you having any air issues. How hard is it to remove the return line? If it's too much of a pain, do a few drain and fills while cycling the wheel a few times in between.


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Re: DODGE power steering fluid CONFUSION [Re: SumpChump] #4482054
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My 2012 Ram OM specs either Mopar Power Steering Fluid PSF+4 OR Mopar ATF+4 for the power steering. I'm currently running Havoline ATF+4 in both the power steering & transmission with no problems. I have some Super Tech ATF+4 in my stash as well, it's licensed so no worries. I used the turkey baster method on my power steering.

Although I can afford Redline C+, I use ATF+4 as I'm able to find licensed fluid for about $4 / qt. or less and I'm too skeptical to run any automatic transmission 100,000 miles or more between fluid changes. Since I change my truck's transmission fluid every 32,000 miles or so I personally don't see a great advantage for me to use C+. Licensed ATF+4 has performed well for me in ambient temperatures ranging from -19F to 105F.


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Re: DODGE power steering fluid CONFUSION [Re: SumpChump] #4482118
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ATF+4.


Thick vs Thin test: 15k / 43k miles complete
Re: DODGE power steering fluid CONFUSION [Re: SumpChump] #4482293
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Forgive me for dissenting, but you don't even need ATF+4 ... or ATF at all apparently. Dodge isn't going to recommend Dexron or anything else as a LV PS fluid, they're going to recommend their own ATF spec just because it's their own. (Tip: ATFs have much more in common than they don't)
Most of the additives in ATF, let alone the ones in ATF+4 are useless at best in a simple hydraulic system. Don't take this as advice, it's not, but just something to consider after you pour the ATF+4 in.


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Re: DODGE power steering fluid CONFUSION [Re: SumpChump] #4482301
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ATF+4 isn't a LV ATF BTW

I like a common fluid for transmission & power steering so I don't have a partial bottle of PSF sitting around my garage for long periods.


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Re: DODGE power steering fluid CONFUSION [Re: Nyogtha] #4482700
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Yes sir, that's why I said LV PS fluid wink
All ATFs are essentially high-VI, 'Low Vis' working fluids in a power steering system. IIRC this is why some systems call for ATF in the PS system for improved sub-zero performance. Now, synthetic PS fluids are quite common so ATF is no longer the only game in town for high VI performance.

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Re: DODGE power steering fluid CONFUSION [Re: PeterPolyol] #4482850
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Originally Posted By: PeterPolyol
Yes sir, that's why I said LV PS fluid wink
All ATFs are essentially high-VI, 'Low Vis' working fluids in a power steering system. IIRC this is why some systems call for ATF in the PS system for improved sub-zero performance. Now, synthetic PS fluids are quite common so ATF is no longer the only game in town for high VI performance.


Assuming the transmission takes ATF+4, I would like the convenience of only needing 1 type of fluid. I see your point though.

My best example is the New Progress/ New Venture transfer cases found on Chrysler and GM 4x4's that take either DexIII or ATF+4. Makes one wonder if either or could be used issue free assuming all the seals are functioning. On a side note, I wonder if the Mopar and GM fluids for the "AWD" transfer cases are interchangeable? Hmmm.


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Re: DODGE power steering fluid CONFUSION [Re: SumpChump] #4482870
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Is that really Dexron III?


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Re: DODGE power steering fluid CONFUSION [Re: PeterPolyol] #4482920
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I'm not sure what you're asking.


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Re: DODGE power steering fluid CONFUSION [Re: PeterPolyol] #4482950
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Originally Posted By: PeterPolyol
Yes sir, that's why I said LV PS fluid wink
All ATFs are essentially high-VI, 'Low Vis' working fluids in a power steering system. IIRC this is why some systems call for ATF in the PS system for improved sub-zero performance. Now, synthetic PS fluids are quite common so ATF is no longer the only game in town for high VI performance.


Hmmm . . . I've never seen Mopar PSF+4 advertised or listed as a LV PSF, although this is the OEM alternative (and assumed Mopar PSF factory fill) in systems that can alternately use ATF+4 as PSF. Your classifications of LV PSF appear to be unique as it doesn't appear as either a design nor marketing description. Same applies to Ford systems that spec Mercon V for PSF.


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