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Storm door shimming #4447397
07/02/17 11:13 AM
07/02/17 11:13 AM
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JHZR2 Offline OP
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We have a custom size (large, wide and tall) storm door on the front of our home. Its an Anderson/Emco made one.

It has hinges of this type:



Which essentially are metal with the whole door mass riding on little polymer washers and pins. Its clear the mass isnt evenly distributed between pins, so some have worn. The wear is less than 1mm, but it's enough that it, plus some gravity sag has caused the door to not latch. Since the door is very long (>36"),being a little off on the hinge side multiplies on the latch side.

The door has worked flawlessly for the first 5 or so years. So now I need to fix. I tried shimming the hinges (bottom half) with nylon washers:



It hasn't sufficiently helped.

The hinges are"permanently" part of the hinge bar that screws to the door molding on the home. The storm door screws to the hinges that is attached permantly to the bar.

So it seems I have a few options:

1: shim the hinge by putting a thin strip of metal flashing or similar metal in there.

2: shin the hinge bar with metal or wood to change the angle of the door.

3: both

Any thoughts on which is the better option?

Some of the hinge standoffs are worn so thin, it will be metal to metal if I don't get another washer in there. So I'll be adding the nylon washers in regardless where necessary.

Thanks!

Edit: sorry the embedded photo sw seems to flip photos from their intended orientation.

Last edited by JHZR2; 07/02/17 11:19 AM.
Re: Storm door shimming [Re: JHZR2] #4447436
07/02/17 12:04 PM
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1. What's the H & W of the door?
2. How much does it weigh?
3. What's the latch side look like?
4. How far off is the latch?
5. A few non-zoomed photos would help.


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Re: Storm door shimming [Re: JHZR2] #4447439
07/02/17 12:10 PM
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Mine has done that as well. It actually rubs at the top corner on the latch side. Mine still latches ok. It might be easier to adjust the entire latch lower, or file the bottom of the latch for clearance. I do like the washer idea, Did you cut a small notch out to pop them in?


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Re: Storm door shimming [Re: sleddriver] #4447454
07/02/17 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted By: sleddriver
1. What's the H & W of the door?
2. How much does it weigh?
3. What's the latch side look like?
4. How far off is the latch?
5. A few non-zoomed photos would help.


1. I want to say 38x84" but don't quote me
2. Not sure. We bought it turnkey custom design from Andersen. It has worked perfect until recently. We keep the storm pane in all the time due to small children. That mass surely doesn't help.
3. It doesn't have a striker like an entry door, but the principle and plate around the latch and deadbolt look similar.
4. Id guess 1mm would do it, but 2mm would be better.
5. I will when able.

Re: Storm door shimming [Re: spasm3] #4447456
07/02/17 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted By: spasm3
Mine has done that as well. It actually rubs at the top corner on the latch side. Mine still latches ok. It might be easier to adjust the entire latch lower, or file the bottom of the latch for clearance. I do like the washer idea, Did you cut a small notch out to pop them in?


Mine rubs there which is how I know it's a sag issue. Our hw is oil rubbed bronze and I'm not keen on grinding it. Plus the hinge standoffs are so worn it needs repair regardless. It gets a lot of use.

The washers are just regular nylon washers from ace. A little trial and error was necessary. I just cut a slit and then worked it in while a helper held up the latch end. Ill add dry lube next.

Re: Storm door shimming [Re: JHZR2] #4447499
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It's a sag issue, but not with the frame. The bottom hinge probably wears on the inside radius on the side of the door. The top wears on the inside radius near the frame side. ( The rod running down the middle probably has flat spots too).

I have considered swapping the top and bottom hinges and lubing them well when i do. but that involves removing the door and hinge side of the frame to take it apart. Its more work than i have time for right now.

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Re: Storm door shimming [Re: JHZR2] #4447595
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Andersen's typically have a 10 year or lifetime warranty. Give them a call and see what they have to say. If you just need parts, typically they're free.


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Re: Storm door shimming [Re: JHZR2] #4447597
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I have the same hinge setup on an Anderson Emco doos and it sags as well. I decided it was easier to buy a new house.


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Re: Storm door shimming [Re: spasm3] #4447920
07/02/17 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted By: spasm3
It's a sag issue, but not with the frame. The bottom hinge probably wears on the inside radius on the side of the door. The top wears on the inside radius near the frame side. ( The rod running down the middle probably has flat spots too).

I have considered swapping the top and bottom hinges and lubing them well when i do. but that involves removing the door and hinge side of the frame to take it apart. Its more work than i have time for right now.


Do you know if there is a rod that goes the whole length, that all hinges pivot about?

Can you actually swap hinges as you say?

Re: Storm door shimming [Re: JHZR2] #4447947
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Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: spasm3
It's a sag issue, but not with the frame. The bottom hinge probably wears on the inside radius on the side of the door. The top wears on the inside radius near the frame side. ( The rod running down the middle probably has flat spots too).

I have considered swapping the top and bottom hinges and lubing them well when i do. but that involves removing the door and hinge side of the frame to take it apart. Its more work than i have time for right now.


Do you know if there is a rod that goes the whole length, that all hinges pivot about?

Can you actually swap hinges as you say?


Mine looks like you can, but i have not tried it yet. I have this project in mind for the fall. I don't remember the make of my door, but i'm thinking its anderson as well. It LOOKS like i can take the hinge side of the frame off and then i can see the top of the hinge. My hinges have screws holding them in. So if i can get what i think is a long hinge rod out, i will switch the bottom and top hinges, I trying to decide what i would lube them with if that works. A water resistant grease?


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Re: Storm door shimming [Re: JHZR2] #4448399
07/03/17 01:30 PM
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I was thinking to spray in dry lube

Re: Storm door shimming [Re: CT8] #4448689
07/03/17 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted By: CT8
I have the same hinge setup on an Anderson Emco doos and it sags as well. I decided it was easier to buy a new house.


I like how you think.


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