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#4414868 - 05/26/17 12:16 PM Fram Tough Guard 3614 Cut Open- internal damage
5AcresAndAFool Offline


Registered: 12/18/16
Posts: 387
Loc: Indiana
This filter came off a 05 sienna, 3.3l, the OCI was 4876 miles, running Mobil 1 5w30, from May 2016 to November 2016. I just cut it open yesterday.

There was a spot where the filter media was crushed a bit, I assume during assembly. There was no way I did it cutting it open, it's minor, but the filter media was almost torn, but I don't believe it was, but close. There was however an area by the ADBV where there was clearly a spot oil could bypass the filter.




This is how it came out.






I didn't want to monkey with it, so I can't tell for sure if the media is torn, but it's close.



Here's a gap







The rest of it looks good.







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#4414897 - 05/26/17 01:00 PM Re: Fram Tough Guard 3614 Cut Open- internal damage [Re: 5AcresAndAFool]
Linctex Offline


Registered: 12/31/16
Posts: 5950
Loc: Waco, TX
Oil filter manufacturers better "step up" with this "wide pleating near the seam" issue! mad
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#4414920 - 05/26/17 01:33 PM Re: Fram Tough Guard 3614 Cut Open- internal damage [Re: 5AcresAndAFool]
JeepWJ19 Offline


Registered: 09/09/15
Posts: 914
Loc: PENNSYLVANIA
No bueno.

For some reason the 3614s seem to not look as good as the other TGs (smaller and bigger) over the years I've seen them cut and posted.

I have the 3614 in my lawn mower right now lol.
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#4415070 - 05/26/17 05:30 PM Re: Fram Tough Guard 3614 Cut Open- internal damage [Re: 5AcresAndAFool]
wemay Offline


Registered: 04/04/12
Posts: 8714
Loc: Southeast Florida
That looks like a tear to me, but you're handling it up close so would know better. And with only 4876 miles on a TG, it doesn't look good at all.
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#4415082 - 05/26/17 05:53 PM Re: Fram Tough Guard 3614 Cut Open- internal damage [Re: 5AcresAndAFool]
Onug Offline


Registered: 03/19/12
Posts: 333
Loc: Washington, USA
In theory those pleats are providing some support to both end caps. If the pleats have a good solid adhesive bond and you have wide pleats (so less support), then stress that causes the pleats to bend will in theory pull the caps down/inward unless the media fails elsewhere. Makes a good case for having stronger end caps that won't bend inwards. However, that could be why we're seeing the torn pleats. Stress always finds the weakest link and hammers it.
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#4415085 - 05/26/17 05:55 PM Re: Fram Tough Guard 3614 Cut Open- internal damage [Re: 5AcresAndAFool]
ZeeOSix Offline


Registered: 07/22/10
Posts: 17489
Loc: PNW
Pleats near the seam or way too far apart. Instead of the media tearing, the end cap flexed and opened up a small gap. Probably a little better scenario than the media tearing wide open. Either case, it shouldn't be allowed to happen.

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#4415127 - 05/26/17 06:54 PM Re: Fram Tough Guard 3614 Cut Open- internal damage [Re: 5AcresAndAFool]
Run Offline


Registered: 06/07/15
Posts: 714
Loc: Canada
The extra guard (PH3614) looks better than this. Very odd in my opinion.
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#4415130 - 05/26/17 07:02 PM Re: Fram Tough Guard 3614 Cut Open- internal damage [Re: 5AcresAndAFool]
WillsYoda Offline


Registered: 10/17/15
Posts: 468
Loc: MN
That is why I prefer the Fram Ultra.

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#4415150 - 05/26/17 07:42 PM Re: Fram Tough Guard 3614 Cut Open- internal damage [Re: WillsYoda]
TX_1821 Offline


Registered: 05/25/17
Posts: 69
Loc: Arlen Texas..... (Houston)
Originally Posted By: WillsYoda
That is why I prefer the Fram Ultra.


Indeed, $9 at rockauto for me.

Thanks for detailed pics & sharing OP!
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#4415208 - 05/26/17 09:11 PM Re: Fram Tough Guard 3614 Cut Open- internal damage [Re: 5AcresAndAFool]
Nyogtha Offline


Registered: 10/13/14
Posts: 2255
Loc: San Antonio, TX
This is why I no longer use filters with fiber end caps.

While some tout end cap flexibility and ability to distort as an advantage, I can see both sides of the coin like this case.

With the OEM O/FCI's in my household being 6 months / 8K miles max & 1 year / 10K miles max these days, I'd rather not have something distortable in service for those limits. To me wire backed synthetic isn't required as lines like Mobil 1 oil filters have shown a stalwart service history for a lot of years - notably using metal end caps, blended cellulose / synthetic media, and even pleat spacing. Numerous offshore manufacturers seem capable of replicating that combination of factors these days in filters rated for up to 10K miles service.

No PH or TG series filters in my stash, nor Ecores. But I do have multiple CQ Blue filters that were manufactured by Fram in my stash. IMO these were the best non-wire backed oil filters Fram ever manufactured.


Edited by Nyogtha (05/26/17 09:13 PM)
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#4415213 - 05/26/17 09:17 PM Re: Fram Tough Guard 3614 Cut Open- internal damage [Re: 5AcresAndAFool]
dishdude Offline


Registered: 11/14/08
Posts: 8602
Loc: Phoenix
Upgrade to the Ultra, or use a Wix, IMO.
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#4415233 - 05/26/17 10:01 PM Re: Fram Tough Guard 3614 Cut Open- internal damage [Re: 5AcresAndAFool]
ThirdeYe Offline


Registered: 02/23/07
Posts: 8155
Loc: Grand Rapids, MI
I've opened an Extra Guard PH3506 that looked like that before. Very distorted and the ADBV no longer made a proper seal to the end cap. The rest of the Fram Extra Guard and Tough Guards I've opened looked fine.
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#4415254 - 05/26/17 10:57 PM Re: Fram Tough Guard 3614 Cut Open- internal damage [Re: 5AcresAndAFool]
oldhp Offline


Registered: 06/28/12
Posts: 1589
Loc: USA
+2 on the Ultra. No comparison.
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#4415264 - 05/27/17 12:18 AM Re: Fram Tough Guard 3614 Cut Open- internal damage [Re: oldhp]
4WD Offline


Registered: 09/21/10
Posts: 6135
Loc: Texas
++++ if you can afford M1 ... you can afford FU or M1 filter ... run 10k any day


Edited by 4WD (05/27/17 12:19 AM)

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#4415288 - 05/27/17 04:29 AM Re: Fram Tough Guard 3614 Cut Open- internal damage [Re: 5AcresAndAFool]
demarpaint Offline


Registered: 07/03/05
Posts: 29567
Loc: NY
Thanks for posting. I'll pay a little more and stick with the Ultra.
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