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Fram Tough Guard 3614 Cut Open- internal damage #4414868
05/26/17 12:16 PM
05/26/17 12:16 PM
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Indiana
5AcresAndAFool Offline OP
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Indiana
This filter came off a 05 sienna, 3.3l, the OCI was 4876 miles, running Mobil 1 5w30, from May 2016 to November 2016. I just cut it open yesterday.

There was a spot where the filter media was crushed a bit, I assume during assembly. There was no way I did it cutting it open, it's minor, but the filter media was almost torn, but I don't believe it was, but close. There was however an area by the ADBV where there was clearly a spot oil could bypass the filter.




This is how it came out.






I didn't want to monkey with it, so I can't tell for sure if the media is torn, but it's close.



Here's a gap







The rest of it looks good.







Re: Fram Tough Guard 3614 Cut Open- internal damage [Re: 5AcresAndAFool] #4414897
05/26/17 01:00 PM
05/26/17 01:00 PM
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Waco, TX
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Oil filter manufacturers better "step up" with this "wide pleating near the seam" issue! mad


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Re: Fram Tough Guard 3614 Cut Open- internal damage [Re: 5AcresAndAFool] #4414920
05/26/17 01:33 PM
05/26/17 01:33 PM
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PENNSYLVANIA
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No bueno.

For some reason the 3614s seem to not look as good as the other TGs (smaller and bigger) over the years I've seen them cut and posted.

I have the 3614 in my lawn mower right now lol.


2002 Jeep WJ 4.0 | Mobil 1 HM 5w30 |
TG8A | 2.5" lift | 148k miles

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Re: Fram Tough Guard 3614 Cut Open- internal damage [Re: 5AcresAndAFool] #4415070
05/26/17 05:30 PM
05/26/17 05:30 PM
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Kendall, FL
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That looks like a tear to me, but you're handling it up close so would know better. And with only 4876 miles on a TG, it doesn't look good at all.


'18 Sportage LX AWD Pennzoil HM 5w20
'13 Santa Fe Sport 2.0T Castrol GTX Magnatec 5w30
Re: Fram Tough Guard 3614 Cut Open- internal damage [Re: 5AcresAndAFool] #4415082
05/26/17 05:53 PM
05/26/17 05:53 PM
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Washington, USA
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In theory those pleats are providing some support to both end caps. If the pleats have a good solid adhesive bond and you have wide pleats (so less support), then stress that causes the pleats to bend will in theory pull the caps down/inward unless the media fails elsewhere. Makes a good case for having stronger end caps that won't bend inwards. However, that could be why we're seeing the torn pleats. Stress always finds the weakest link and hammers it.


2016 F-150 3.5L Ecoboost
Current Oil: Castrol Magnatec 5W-30 and Fram Ultra filter
Re: Fram Tough Guard 3614 Cut Open- internal damage [Re: 5AcresAndAFool] #4415085
05/26/17 05:55 PM
05/26/17 05:55 PM
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PNW
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Pleats near the seam or way too far apart. Instead of the media tearing, the end cap flexed and opened up a small gap. Probably a little better scenario than the media tearing wide open. Either case, it shouldn't be allowed to happen.

Re: Fram Tough Guard 3614 Cut Open- internal damage [Re: 5AcresAndAFool] #4415127
05/26/17 06:54 PM
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Canada
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Canada
The extra guard (PH3614) looks better than this. Very odd in my opinion.


03 Neon 2.0 - VSP 5W-30 Pentius XL
Re: Fram Tough Guard 3614 Cut Open- internal damage [Re: 5AcresAndAFool] #4415130
05/26/17 07:02 PM
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MN
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That is why I prefer the Fram Ultra.

Re: Fram Tough Guard 3614 Cut Open- internal damage [Re: WillsYoda] #4415150
05/26/17 07:42 PM
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Arlen Texas..... (Houston)
Originally Posted By: WillsYoda
That is why I prefer the Fram Ultra.


Indeed, $9 at rockauto for me.

Thanks for detailed pics & sharing OP!


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-Dale Gribble

16' Lacrosse 3.6 LFX
Oil: QSUD 5w30 & Fram Ultra
ATF: Valvoline Dex 6
Re: Fram Tough Guard 3614 Cut Open- internal damage [Re: 5AcresAndAFool] #4415208
05/26/17 09:11 PM
05/26/17 09:11 PM
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San Antonio, TX
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This is why I no longer use filters with fiber end caps.

While some tout end cap flexibility and ability to distort as an advantage, I can see both sides of the coin like this case.

With the OEM O/FCI's in my household being 6 months / 8K miles max & 1 year / 10K miles max these days, I'd rather not have something distortable in service for those limits. To me wire backed synthetic isn't required as lines like Mobil 1 oil filters have shown a stalwart service history for a lot of years - notably using metal end caps, blended cellulose / synthetic media, and even pleat spacing. Numerous offshore manufacturers seem capable of replicating that combination of factors these days in filters rated for up to 10K miles service.

No PH or TG series filters in my stash, nor Ecores. But I do have multiple CQ Blue filters that were manufactured by Fram in my stash. IMO these were the best non-wire backed oil filters Fram ever manufactured.

Last edited by Nyogtha; 05/26/17 09:13 PM.

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Re: Fram Tough Guard 3614 Cut Open- internal damage [Re: 5AcresAndAFool] #4415213
05/26/17 09:17 PM
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Phoenix
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Upgrade to the Ultra, or use a Wix, IMO.


2018 Challenger SRT
Re: Fram Tough Guard 3614 Cut Open- internal damage [Re: 5AcresAndAFool] #4415233
05/26/17 10:01 PM
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Grand Rapids, MI
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I've opened an Extra Guard PH3506 that looked like that before. Very distorted and the ADBV no longer made a proper seal to the end cap. The rest of the Fram Extra Guard and Tough Guards I've opened looked fine.


07 Honda Accord - 607k - Havoline High Mileage 5W-20/Purolator Synthetic PSL14610
98 Camaro Z28 (Bright Purple Metallic, 1 of 104) - 121k - QS Defy 5w30/AC Delco PF46
Re: Fram Tough Guard 3614 Cut Open- internal damage [Re: 5AcresAndAFool] #4415254
05/26/17 10:57 PM
05/26/17 10:57 PM
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USA
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+2 on the Ultra. No comparison.


2018 RAM 1500 3.6/8 speed.
2017 Jeep Sahara Unlimited 3.6
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Re: Fram Tough Guard 3614 Cut Open- internal damage [Re: oldhp] #4415264
05/27/17 12:18 AM
05/27/17 12:18 AM
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Texas
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++++ if you can afford M1 ... you can afford FU or M1 filter ... run 10k any day

Last edited by 4WD; 05/27/17 12:19 AM.
Re: Fram Tough Guard 3614 Cut Open- internal damage [Re: 5AcresAndAFool] #4415288
05/27/17 04:29 AM
05/27/17 04:29 AM
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NY
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Thanks for posting. I'll pay a little more and stick with the Ultra.


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