I’ve been running mostly Super Techs on everything lately. I haven’t cut one open that looked bad yet.
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Defective Tough Guard TG10060 removed C&P
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Stating the obvious, a Total Fail. Bypass psi, 0.0.
Close up shows no sign of pleats ever being glued to the end cap, so the gap was there from the factory. It didn't tear and go someplace. Hard to imagine how it got glued if it wasn't crimp into a continuous circle before being glued.
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I have 2 thoughts.. one sometimes can filters are very easy and good idea .. others they are terrible.
same for canister filters.
The can on the hemi is in a very bad place. truck parts on 5 sides of it. and dumps on everything.
I'd prefer anything to this.. ANYTHING.. of course if you have a lift or a stand in oil pit its not as bad.
The oil drains(drainplug) sideways directly into the stabilizer bar too.. sprays all over.
The canister on the 2013 equinox is not too bad if you have the low profile socket 3/8 drive.
I liked the canister on my 3.2L jeep but of course they are the weakspot on the pentastar engine.
The upside down can on subaru FB series is ok a little messy but super easy to change no tools and a couple paper towels.
TLDR Both can be good or bad.
I've been running Supertech and frams for a while now. This is probably a rare occurrence but if it happened to me I'd probably stop using fram.
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I actually wonder.
What miniscule number of oil filters actually get cut open. Yes, this group cuts open a lot, and some youtubers and maybe a handful of enthusiasts elsewhere. But I still bet its a absolute tiny fraction of the total filters made. There are 283M cars in the US. IF they all just get 1 filter per year, then were touching maybe 0.001% of them. So 1 in 100,000? Maybe? That would be 2,830 cut opens a year, so 8 per day every day. Probably less than that.
Yet we keep seeing different defects here. How many people / shops slap the filter on, then dump the old filter in the trash, and don't look at anything. I used to.
This is basically a form of sample testing - except our sample is unusually small, after the manufacturer was actually supposed to do their sample testing.
I am willing to bet statistics are on the side of this being far more common than any of us would like to believe.
Anyone remember the Bob/Tony NO oil filter theory? Didn't Gary run just a screen mesh?
Of course an engine wouldn't blow-up without an oil filter, unless it started eating itself alive for some reason, like a part failure causing massive wear particles, then it would snowball to failure. But little or no oil filtration over a long period could certainly cause much more engine wear.
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At least this defect didn't have severe consequences. I could think of many more nightmare defect scenarios. If this is your one in a million, buy a lotto ticket.
Shame...I would not call it a filter failure, more like a production failure. Like it was the end of the production run or something and shouldn't have made past inspection and made it to any shelves.
Or maybe a new guy was running the line that day lol...or it was someones last day
Or maybe a new guy was running the line that day lol...or it was someones last day
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You make valid points, but they are more relating to the efforts of R&R the filter. Certainly good points you've made.
My point was that a cartridge filter can be easily inspected before installation. There's no way a failure such as this one the OP has shown us would be installed; you'd catch the problem prior to use and therefore avoid the risks associated with this quality defect. You can't do that with a can filter; they are sealed units.
Upside down, meaning base down and vertical?
At an OCI, before draining the oil, punch a hole in the dome of the filter and let it drain for 15 min. That should allow the filter to be removed without puking oil. I use that tick on my Tacoma.
I remember back in 1995, at a Woolworths,Stamford ct iwas 20. Checking out oil filters.lookedvat a fram extra, took it out of box.it had a cigg butt in it. Led me to believe someone at the factory did that. That's when it was allied signal? Made.
The media when I cut them open, moving forward , 2003-05 era,wide spaces in them. AutoZone bought. So I've used them frams...but my experience has taken me back too oem and carquest and napa filters too use
No issues ever. Was gunna say wix...not fan of china made stuff.
The media when I cut them open, moving forward , 2003-05 era,wide spaces in them. AutoZone bought. So I've used them frams...but my experience has taken me back too oem and carquest and napa filters too use
No issues ever. Was gunna say wix...not fan of china made stuff.
Great post I am thinking much the same.
The number of First Brand made issues discovered recently on this forum are alarming, especially since the sample size here is tiny.
Fram/First Brands Responded:
Hello,
We are very sorry you have had this problem. I have forwarded your words and images to the engineering and product management team for a look, and will let you know what they think. Please keep ahold of this filter if you can because further further analysis might be warranted.
I will get back to you once I hear if there is interest in this specific filter.
Very sorry once again for the issues you have encountered, and the inconvenience it has caused as well.
Best regards,
Bob
Email: [email protected]
Hello,
We are very sorry you have had this problem. I have forwarded your words and images to the engineering and product management team for a look, and will let you know what they think. Please keep ahold of this filter if you can because further further analysis might be warranted.
I will get back to you once I hear if there is interest in this specific filter.
Very sorry once again for the issues you have encountered, and the inconvenience it has caused as well.
Best regards,
Bob
Email: [email protected]
The only thing is I thought someone mentioned previous in this thread that the date code was ~2014 or so. Not sure how that factors in or if filter manufacturers claim the filters are only good for a window of time.Great post I am thinking much the same.
The number of First Brand made issues discovered recently on this forum are alarming, especially since the sample size here is tiny.
Engine won't explode with no oil filtration. I daily drove a Studebaker Lark in the 90s for a few years. 259 V8 with no more filtration than the oil pump pickup screen. No provision on the motor for a full flow oil filter. Bypass filter was an option, this car had none. Heater delete even. It got regular changes with Mystik 30. Not a leaker or oil burner. 20 mpg like clockwork until we got oxygenated fuel.
