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oil filter use for longer than 1 year? #4412364
05/23/17 03:32 PM
05/23/17 03:32 PM
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So, on my classics, which are only driven in warm weather, and usually well warmed up when driven, but only get around 1000 miles per summer, can I leave the Napa gold filter on for 2 years, or would I need to go to a Fram ultra. I have read that the full synthetic media will hold up for much much longer in oil than the cellulose/synthetic media. Of course I have also read that it is water in oil that really causes the cellulose to deteriorate, and I don't think I get much if any of that with my usage.


2017 Nissan Frontier 4.0 5w30
1965 Mustang 200 c/4 10w30 QS defy
1964 Ford Ranchero 302 c/4 15/40 Delo
1929 ford model A No filters, and 15/40 oil
Re: oil filter use for longer than 1 year? [Re: old1] #4412374
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I would use any name brand decent quality filter with confidence. Time at temperature is not a concern for that use, nor is total gallons of hot oil flowed.

Re: oil filter use for longer than 1 year? [Re: old1] #4412387
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my filter is in the engine since november 2014...


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Re: oil filter use for longer than 1 year? [Re: old1] #4412392
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I used a Mobil 1 filter on my dad's car for almost 5 years. He only drove 2000-2400 miles a year, I did do yearly drain/refills.

No need to change oil filter with such low miles.

Re: oil filter use for longer than 1 year? [Re: old1] #4412396
05/23/17 03:50 PM
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I run oil and filters without any regard to time. Never an issue from it in any application.


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07 IS250 100K Napa 10w30, FULL
04 YZF-R1 19K DELO 15w40, XG7317
99 HD XL1200S 20K VR1 20w50, NG1515
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Re: oil filter use for longer than 1 year? [Re: old1] #4412501
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Apart from splits in the media (which probably mostly happen during manufacture) and clogging/overpressurisation damage, is there any evidence at all (anecdotal or otherwise) of filter deterioration in service?

I could see some acid hydrolysis of the cellulose, but I'd have thought the oil would have to be pretty far gone TBN-wise to allow that to happen.

Re: oil filter use for longer than 1 year? [Re: old1] #4412502
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I change filters by mileage, not time, and have done so for 45+ years. Nothing has blown up yet.


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Re: oil filter use for longer than 1 year? [Re: old1] #4412528
05/23/17 06:38 PM
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Any quality brand filters would be fine. IMO, I would use Wix.


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'88 Cadillac Brougham d'Elegance VWB 5w30 & Wix gold
'15 Honda Odyssey Castrol Edge 0w20 & Proselect


Re: oil filter use for longer than 1 year? [Re: old1] #4412531
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I usually do an annual oil/filter change on the "vette". Only 2500 to 2800 km a year.Usually a fram TG or Ultra,depending on what has been on sale at canadian tire, along with some maxlife hi-m and mobil one mix. Just cheap insurance as i see it. You are already under the car anyway.


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1986 Chevette S
Re: oil filter use for longer than 1 year? [Re: old1] #4412541
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The critical factor is the retention seal. Many of the cheaper ones have these valves made out of cheaper rubber compounds that will harden with time.

Re: oil filter use for longer than 1 year? [Re: old1] #4412593
05/23/17 08:06 PM
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By all means leave the filter in there for 2, 3, 4, or even 5 years. It is always better to save $5 - $10 on a filter than to worry about your classic cars. I wouldn't bother to change the oil for 5 years either.


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2017 BMW 330i, 2L-248 HP (BMW 0W-20)
2018 Jeep GC, 5.7L-360 HP (PP 5W-20)
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Re: oil filter use for longer than 1 year? [Re: SilverSnake] #4412695
05/23/17 10:20 PM
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Utah
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Originally Posted By: SilverSnake
By all means leave the filter in there for 2, 3, 4, or even 5 years. It is always better to save $5 - $10 on a filter than to worry about your classic cars. I wouldn't bother to change the oil for 5 years either.



The OP is fine doing what he is doing...IMHO. There is enough "over maintenance" going on as it is on this site.

Re: oil filter use for longer than 1 year? [Re: old1] #4412963
05/24/17 08:16 AM
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I d like to point out that cars in Europe have had oil change intervals of at least 10.000-15.000km / 12 months since practically forever. In a time, when there were no synthetic media filter. Only with the advent of "long life" oil in the late 90s and early 2000s, when oil change intervals of 30.000km / 2 years became common did I start to hear about synthtic filter media.
If a european cellulose filter can go 15.000km/one year without the slightest problem, why would an american filter not?

Last edited by turboseize; 05/24/17 08:16 AM.

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Re: oil filter use for longer than 1 year? [Re: turboseize] #4413093
05/24/17 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted By: turboseize
I d like to point out that cars in Europe have had oil change intervals of at least 10.000-15.000km / 12 months since practically forever. In a time, when there were no synthetic media filter. Only with the advent of "long life" oil in the late 90s and early 2000s, when oil change intervals of 30.000km / 2 years became common did I start to hear about synthtic filter media.
If a european cellulose filter can go 15.000km/one year without the slightest problem, why would an american filter not?


I'm not sure I agree with the 'European' intervals. Americans seem to suffer with far less turbo and engine issues than us. There seems to be a lot said for using a cheaper oil with more frequent OCI.

You've only got to look at the issues with the PSA/Ford DV6 engine. Tiny 3.8 litre sump from a 1.6 turbo diesel with a ton of emissions [censored] bolted to it and they can sludge up so bad they just destroy themselves with the standard 12.5k/12month intervals. I've had mine since new(okay it's a DV5 but it's the same engine with a slightly smaller bore) and done oil changes every 6k/6months. I had a UOA done last time and after just 5,200miles on the oil it had dropped down to a 20weight, currently unsure if it's down to fuel dilution (3%) or sheared.

That said my Father has a 2012 BMW 320d Sport with 114k on the clock. It's only ever had oil changes every 18-20k and seems to run okay. It would be interesting to do an oil sample at the next interval and maybe whip off the sump and rocker cover for a nose but it usually goes into a garage for servicing.

Something which I don't get in Europe is the lack of servicing that manufacturers expect you to do. My Fathers gearbox in the 320d is starting to hold onto gears and maybe not be as smooth as it used to. ZF, the gearbox manufacturer suggests the gearbox is serviced every 75k. However, BMW says it's 'sealed for life', right! My Ford Focus is supposed to have a gearbox 'sealed for life' however I had the oil changed at 50k and it made a huge difference to the feel of the box.


'13 Suzuki Jimmny - '16 Dacia Duster 1.5DCi 4WD
'96 LR Defender 300TDi - '12 BMW 320d

Engine Oil - Fuchs Titan XTL GT1 5w40
Gearbox Oil - Fuchs Sintofluid 75w80
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Re: oil filter use for longer than 1 year? [Re: old1] #4413102
05/24/17 10:47 AM
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Many car companies are going to change the oil filter every second oil change intervals.

A slightly dirty filter works better than a new filter.

I do my oil changes early, and change the filter every second oil change.


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