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#3902441 - 10/30/15 07:18 PM Total Quartz Energy 9000 or Motul 8100 X-clean FE
Seweryn Offline


Registered: 10/30/15
Posts: 28
Loc: Eire
Hi Guys,

It is my first post so I would like to say Hello to All.

I am about to change the engine oil in my car and looking at buying one of the following:

Total Quartz Energy 0W30

Motul X-clean FE 5W30

Or alternatively:

Motul X-clean 5W30

Which of these would be the better choice?
The car is a 2000 model year Peugeot with the HDI Diesel engine with no DPF. Used in mild climate (no harsh winters or hot summers).

I will appreciate your comments.
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2000 Peugeot 406 Break 2.0 HDI - Total Quartz 9000 Energy 0W30
1971 Volkswagen 1302S - SL A3 10W40

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#3902456 - 10/30/15 07:36 PM Re: Total Quartz Energy 9000 or Motul 8100 X-clean FE [Re: Seweryn]
Ga129 Offline


Registered: 04/15/13
Posts: 414
Loc: Tupelo, MS and Birmingham, AL
What are you currently running?
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Daily Driver: 2006 Kia Optima LX, 2.4L I-4 A4, 173k+ miles
Current Fill: 5 qts 5w-30 M1 EP w/ M1 EP filter

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#3902469 - 10/30/15 07:52 PM Re: Total Quartz Energy 9000 or Motul 8100 X-clean FE [Re: Ga129]
Seweryn Offline


Registered: 10/30/15
Posts: 28
Loc: Eire
Originally Posted By: Ga129
What are you currently running?

Not sure, but all I know from the previous owner is that there is a synthetic 5W30 oil in the engine (that is all he knows). This will be my first engine oil change in the car since I bought it a few months ago. I got all other fluids changed already.
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2000 Peugeot 406 Break 2.0 HDI - Total Quartz 9000 Energy 0W30
1971 Volkswagen 1302S - SL A3 10W40

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#3902471 - 10/30/15 07:56 PM Re: Total Quartz Energy 9000 or Motul 8100 X-clean FE [Re: Seweryn]
Ga129 Offline


Registered: 04/15/13
Posts: 414
Loc: Tupelo, MS and Birmingham, AL
Do you feel like it is running properly with the oil that is currently in it?
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Daily Driver: 2006 Kia Optima LX, 2.4L I-4 A4, 173k+ miles
Current Fill: 5 qts 5w-30 M1 EP w/ M1 EP filter

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#3902492 - 10/30/15 08:32 PM Re: Total Quartz Energy 9000 or Motul 8100 X-clean FE [Re: Seweryn]
Pontual Offline


Registered: 10/08/14
Posts: 1648
Loc: SANTOS, BR
Compare them on that Russian heat experiment site. I believe both burnt leaving the Becker pretty dirty.

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#3902508 - 10/30/15 08:51 PM Re: Total Quartz Energy 9000 or Motul 8100 X-clean FE [Re: Seweryn]
DirkDiggler Offline


Registered: 08/14/12
Posts: 176
Loc: Missouri
I am currently running 3 quarts of total quartz ineo mc3 5w30 in my Yukon (along with .40 qts of Mobil 5000 5w30, .75qt of Pennzoil Plat 5w30, 1 qt of O'reilly's syn 10w30, and 1 qt of kendall syn blend 10w30)(I wanted to use up all of the misc oil). Using a pure 1 filter

my oil life monitor is already down to 79% after 1350 miles. . . . and I drive about 65/70% highway for 20 miles each way.

I may have to change this stuff out early and put in Napa syn 5w30
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'04 GMC Yukon (mine) - 213.5k miles(brew of 5 different oils between 5w and 10w30)

'13 Cadillac Escalade - 48,500 miles (currently AC Delco SynBlend)

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#3902631 - 10/31/15 01:35 AM Re: Total Quartz Energy 9000 or Motul 8100 X-clean FE [Re: Seweryn]
Popsy Offline


Registered: 05/10/15
Posts: 896
Loc: Frogland / Brittany
I may not be a specialist, but I won't use the two Motul X-clean oils, since they are low/mid saps (according to their C3 specs). Total is 229.5 so should be (relatively) high SAPS, better suited for your engine (since no dpf and quite old tech).

Is this the 2.0L 90 ou 110hp?

You may have a look at Mobil 1 0W40, or alternatively the Motul X-cess products (not X-clean). I thought these engines called for a 40 grade, but there may have been different specs where I live (friend of mine had a Peugeot 806 with 2.0L HDI 110hp and it called for 5W40/10W40 as far as I remember...he used 10W40 oil from new and sold the car with 300000Km+, failed master cylinder and other electronic stuff like dashboard, but engine was still ok).

Alternatively you may try some HDEO oils, if you have a truck/boat shop nearby they may sell you some 5W30 like Mobil Delvac...or heavier grades.
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96 Barchetta, Motul 300V 5W40 | 98 Barchetta, Quartz 9000 energy 5W40
05 Forfour 95, SHU 0W40 (gf's car) | 10 Colt Ralliart, 300V 0W40

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#3902646 - 10/31/15 04:03 AM Re: Total Quartz Energy 9000 or Motul 8100 X-clean FE [Re: Ga129]
Seweryn Offline


Registered: 10/30/15
Posts: 28
Loc: Eire
Originally Posted By: Ga129
Do you feel like it is running properly with the oil that is currently in it?

I feel like the engine is running just fine and has been like that since I own it.

Originally Posted By: Popsy
I may not be a specialist, but I won't use the two Motul X-clean oils, since they are low/mid saps (according to their C3 specs). Total is 229.5 so should be (relatively) high SAPS, better suited for your engine (since no dpf and quite old tech).

Is this the 2.0L 90 ou 110hp?


Thank you for your comment regarding the X-clean Motul oils. The engine is the 2.0 110 HP. The car owner's manual lists various oils that can be used, like 10W40, 5W40, and states that the Fuel Economy oil (i.e. 5W30 or 0W30) can only be used in engines designed for its use (from 2000 Model Year), so my car qualifies for this and is filled with 5W30 oil at present to the best of my knowledge (although I don't know what exactly oil it is).

The engine has about 100k km covered (60k miles) only and seems to be healthy, i.e. when I got the car I had to drain about 0.5 litre of oil from the engine (the previous owner overfilled it slightly at his last service), but since then the oil level has stayed the same during my 7k miles (11k km) ownership and didn't need any top ups at all. The oil level still is at more less the same point at the dipstick.

I used the Mobil 1 0W40 and X-cess Motul 5W40 in my previous car (Honda Civic 1.5, 1997) and I know these are great oils. The engine was very clean inside when using these and ran very well.

I never thought about the HDEO oils, like Mobil Delvac. Not sure if it is available locally, but I will check this.

Thanks again.
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2000 Peugeot 406 Break 2.0 HDI - Total Quartz 9000 Energy 0W30
1971 Volkswagen 1302S - SL A3 10W40

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#3902653 - 10/31/15 04:56 AM Re: Total Quartz Energy 9000 or Motul 8100 X-clean FE [Re: Seweryn]
Popsy Offline


Registered: 05/10/15
Posts: 896
Loc: Frogland / Brittany
Personnaly I'd stay with 0w40 or 5w40, the cheapest you can find with 229.5 cert...but I'm a thick oil guy (lol), and these oils tend to be cheaper than good full saps 0w30 or 5w30.

Hdeo may be a bit too much, but sometimes they are cheaper when bought in bulk, so...
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96 Barchetta, Motul 300V 5W40 | 98 Barchetta, Quartz 9000 energy 5W40
05 Forfour 95, SHU 0W40 (gf's car) | 10 Colt Ralliart, 300V 0W40

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#3902655 - 10/31/15 05:04 AM Re: Total Quartz Energy 9000 or Motul 8100 X-clean FE [Re: Seweryn]
volodymyr Offline


Registered: 09/13/14
Posts: 444
Loc: Switzerland
Seweryn,

Originally Posted By: Seweryn

The engine is the 2.0 110 HP. The car owner's manual lists various oils that can be used, like 10W40, 5W40, and states that the Fuel Economy oil (i.e. 5W30 or 0W30) can only be used in engines designed for its use (from 2000 Model Year), so my car qualifies for this and is filled with 5W30 oil at present to the best of my knowledge (although I don't know what exactly oil it is).


Can you make a picture of the manual and put it here? The car manual is a bible, so despite mentioning SAE viscosity it should also mention ACEA specs (at least in 1998 revision).

Taking into account that your engine is quite old and that it does not have DPF most likely it was not designed for low/mid SAP oils (Motul oils you specified). However to be 100% we need to see the manual.


Edited by volodymyr (10/31/15 05:09 AM)
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2001 Honda CBR 600 F4i, Castrol Power 1 Racing 4T 10W40 (SM,MA2)
2010 Nissan Qashqai 2.0, Shell Helix Ultra 5W30 (A3/B4,MB 229.5,502.00/505.00)

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#3902682 - 10/31/15 06:56 AM Re: Total Quartz Energy 9000 or Motul 8100 X-clean FE [Re: Seweryn]
riggaz Offline


Registered: 01/26/10
Posts: 549
Loc: England
Hello from old blighty Seweryn!

It's always best to stick to the recommended grade in the owners manual, as long as you do that you can't go wrong.

I've checked on my data system for a 2000 206 2.0HDi (should be similar) and this is what it comes up with, looks like you have plenty of artistic licence.

Engine oil ACEA B4 SAE 5W-40 From -30 C to 50 C
Engine oil API CF SAE 5W-40 From -30 C to 50 C
Engine oil ACEA B3 SAE 10W-40 From -20 C to 50 C
Engine oil API CF SAE 10W-40 From -20 C to 50 C
Engine oil ACEA B4 SAE 0W-30 From -45 C to 45 C
Engine oil API CF SAE 0W-30 From -45 C to 45 C
Engine oil ACEA B5 SAE 5W-30 From -30 C to 45 C
Engine oil ACEA C2 SAE 5W-30 From -30 C to 45 C

I run a 5w-40 ACEA A3/B4 in our 1.6HDi non FAP cars, the fuel economy oils are just that so they wont protect the engine any better, just give you very slightly better mpg due to reduced oil drag (usually compared to a 15w40 mineral oil).

We use Total engine oils and Motul transmission oils in our workshop, both excellent so you will be doing the right thing with either companies so just get the application right.

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#3902711 - 10/31/15 07:58 AM Re: Total Quartz Energy 9000 or Motul 8100 X-clean FE [Re: volodymyr]
Seweryn Offline


Registered: 10/30/15
Posts: 28
Loc: Eire
Originally Posted By: volodymyr

Can you make a picture of the manual and put it here? The car manual is a bible, so despite mentioning SAE viscosity it should also mention ACEA specs (at least in 1998 revision).

Taking into account that your engine is quite old and that it does not have DPF most likely it was not designed for low/mid SAP oils (Motul oils you specified). However to be 100% we need to see the manual.

Here is the manual for the car:





I understand the specific Motul oils (designed for engines with DPF) are not really recommended for my engine...

Originally Posted By: riggaz
Hello from old blighty Seweryn!

It's always best to stick to the recommended grade in the owners manual, as long as you do that you can't go wrong.

I've checked on my data system for a 2000 206 2.0HDi (should be similar) and this is what it comes up with, looks like you have plenty of artistic licence.

Engine oil ACEA B4 SAE 5W-40 From -30 C to 50 C
Engine oil API CF SAE 5W-40 From -30 C to 50 C
Engine oil ACEA B3 SAE 10W-40 From -20 C to 50 C
Engine oil API CF SAE 10W-40 From -20 C to 50 C
Engine oil ACEA B4 SAE 0W-30 From -45 C to 45 C
Engine oil API CF SAE 0W-30 From -45 C to 45 C
Engine oil ACEA B5 SAE 5W-30 From -30 C to 45 C
Engine oil ACEA C2 SAE 5W-30 From -30 C to 45 C

I run a 5w-40 ACEA A3/B4 in our 1.6HDi non FAP cars, the fuel economy oils are just that so they wont protect the engine any better, just give you very slightly better mpg due to reduced oil drag (usually compared to a 15w40 mineral oil).

We use Total engine oils and Motul transmission oils in our workshop, both excellent so you will be doing the right thing with either companies so just get the application right.


Hi Riggaz,

Thank you for your comments.

I recently put the Motul Motylgear 75W80 to the gearbox after a bit of research and it runs fine ever since.

Thanks for the temperature table. As you can see, in this climate and according to that chart, I can use any of the listed viscosity oil all year round. The temperature rarely drops below 0 or goes above 25 degrees any time of year, so from the temperature range perspective this place must have the easiest working conditions for an internal combustion engine on the planet across the season smile.

I understand the viscosity differences, etc., but just looking for a good product that I will stick with. The current oil (which is 5W-30 AFAIK) seems to work fine, the engine burns no oil and is very economical. It actually is the most economical car I have ever had and I had a good few in the last couple of decades...
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2000 Peugeot 406 Break 2.0 HDI - Total Quartz 9000 Energy 0W30
1971 Volkswagen 1302S - SL A3 10W40

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#3902725 - 10/31/15 08:21 AM Re: Total Quartz Energy 9000 or Motul 8100 X-clean FE [Re: Seweryn]
volodymyr Offline


Registered: 09/13/14
Posts: 444
Loc: Switzerland
Seweryn,

Originally Posted By: Seweryn

Here is the manual for the car:







As expected the manual recommends ACEA 1998 sequence of B4 oil for your engine. Therefore you should stick with ACEA B4 oils in 5W-40 viscosity.

If you prefer Total oils in this case Total Quartz 9000 5W-40 may be a good choice for your engine.
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2001 Honda CBR 600 F4i, Castrol Power 1 Racing 4T 10W40 (SM,MA2)
2010 Nissan Qashqai 2.0, Shell Helix Ultra 5W30 (A3/B4,MB 229.5,502.00/505.00)

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#3902731 - 10/31/15 08:28 AM Re: Total Quartz Energy 9000 or Motul 8100 X-clean FE [Re: volodymyr]
Seweryn Offline


Registered: 10/30/15
Posts: 28
Loc: Eire
Originally Posted By: volodymyr
Seweryn,
As expected the manual recommends ACEA 1998 sequence of B4 oil for your engine. Therefore you should stick with ACEA B4 oils in 5W-40 viscosity.

If you prefer Total oils in this case Total Quartz 9000 5W-40 may be a good choice for your engine.

Thanks volodymyr,

On the side note, I actually have just changed the engine oil in my other new old car and used the Quartz 5W-40 as you mentioned as it was rather inexpensive (it is a 30-year old Honda Prelude). I may consider that oil for the 406.


Edited by Seweryn (10/31/15 08:29 AM)
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2000 Peugeot 406 Break 2.0 HDI - Total Quartz 9000 Energy 0W30
1971 Volkswagen 1302S - SL A3 10W40

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#3902733 - 10/31/15 08:30 AM Re: Total Quartz Energy 9000 or Motul 8100 X-clean FE [Re: Seweryn]
Grambo Offline


Registered: 09/29/10
Posts: 433
Loc: NY
even though i have GDI turbo engine, I bought 5W-40 total quartz 9000 from amazon and the turbo KIA owners love it.


Edited by Grambo (10/31/15 08:31 AM)
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2015 KIA OPTIMA SXL 2.0T Total 5W40 9000 Quartz

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