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#3318726 - 03/21/14 07:45 AM New Subaru, 1qt in 1800mi.
JTK Offline


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Hopefully it's just due to break-in and won't be a normal pattern like some FB series engine owners have been experiencing. I was on my way to work yesterday morning and *Ding* the low oil level indicator lit up on my new 2014 XV Crosstrek. Later in the morning I checked the dipstick and sure enough, it was at the add mark on the stick. What's in there looks quite dark for for being a new vehicle at only 1800mi as well.

I know Subaru has been putting oil level sensors on their engines since at least 2010. My 2012 Legacy, with the older style EJ253 engine had one, but that one consumed no noticeable oil what so ever. The amount I put in, drained out when I changed it on the Legacy.

Anyway.. I didn't top the Crosstrek up with the recommended 0w20 liquid gold. I used a quart of synthetic 5w20 I had in the garage.


Edited by JTK (03/21/14 07:50 AM)
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#3318735 - 03/21/14 07:54 AM Re: New Subaru, 1qt in 1800mi. [Re: JTK]
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I wouldn't worry just yet. My Forester consumed a bit before 7,500 miles and has since stopped. I'm over 16k now.

My first short OCI between 1,000 and 3,750 was PYB 5w-20. Shhh. Don't tell Subaru.
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#3318761 - 03/21/14 08:19 AM Re: New Subaru, 1qt in 1800mi. [Re: JTK]
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Are you sure it was full to begin with?
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#3318762 - 03/21/14 08:21 AM Re: New Subaru, 1qt in 1800mi. [Re: JTK]
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I would be changing out the factory fill.
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#3318767 - 03/21/14 08:26 AM Re: New Subaru, 1qt in 1800mi. [Re: JTK]
JTK Offline


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mrsilv04, yes, had a proper level when new.

Doog, I'll probably change it earlier than the Subaru recommended 7500mi OCI for this vehicle. There's no early first OCI recommended for this vehicle. I don't do a 300/1000, etc.. mile first oil changes on my new vehicles anymore.
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#3318772 - 03/21/14 08:30 AM Re: New Subaru, 1qt in 1800mi. [Re: JTK]
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My experience with Subarus is that mine have lost oil if I ran anything thinner than GC. My STi even consumed an alarming amount of Mobil 1 5w30, which I'm told is on the thinner side of 30 weights, at least thinner than GC.

That Subaru now recommends 0w20 doesn't jive with my experiences. I wonder if it would do better on 30.
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#3318797 - 03/21/14 08:48 AM Re: New Subaru, 1qt in 1800mi. [Re: JTK]
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Our FB25 with 60K uses about a Qt of 0w20 over the 7500 mile OCI. The Valvoline seems to keep the TC tensioner operating properly. Almost time for the Spring OCI. I might put in some 5w20 PU see how that works, or, maybe go with the Valvoline again.
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#3318811 - 03/21/14 09:04 AM Re: New Subaru, 1qt in 1800mi. [Re: JTK]
JTK Offline


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I haven't decided if I want to go with 0w20 or stay with the 5w20 some of my other vehicles have been using. Subaru is pretty adamant about using 0w20, but I've got to think it's more marketing and bean counter driven, than Subaru/Fuji Heavy engineering driven. Gotta keep up that green image and market to that crowd.
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#3318842 - 03/21/14 09:26 AM Re: New Subaru, 1qt in 1800mi. [Re: JTK]
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Believe there is a recent TSB out for this that may involve installing a new ring design Subaru has created to address the issue. Dealers are well aware of the problem and there is a plan involving monitoring oil consumption which they will put the car on to determine it the TSB needs to be applied.
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#3318844 - 03/21/14 09:27 AM Re: New Subaru, 1qt in 1800mi. [Re: Doog]
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Originally Posted By: Doog
I would be changing out the factory fill.


+1
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#3318853 - 03/21/14 09:35 AM Re: New Subaru, 1qt in 1800mi. [Re: JTK]
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granted my experience is dated but my 97 definitely had some personality associated with oil consumption. I ran 10k OCIs on synthetic, so I had a lot of data during that time.

engine spec'd 5-30 but 10-30 was the sweet spot. It was underpowered for the size of the vehicle and was run pretty hard as a result. Mobil 5-30 also never really held up well and would start getting noisy and ticking around 4,000 miles, whereas 10-30 had consistent sound/feel through the entire interval. 5-30 would get consumed a lot, 10-30 needed a couple of top-offs over 10,000, especially if there was some long-distance trips mixed in there. The engine exhibited cold-start piston slap since new, but never really worsened over the ~110,000 I owned it. It was a *solid* little, smooth-running power plant.

IIRC over 10,000 it would use anywhere from 1/2 to 1-1/2 qts.

It also took about 36,000 before everything sort of settled into place. IIRC back then it was under warranty had probably used 3/4 qt every 3,000. been a long time.
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#3318866 - 03/21/14 09:47 AM Re: New Subaru, 1qt in 1800mi. [Re: JTK]
JTK Offline


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I hear you meep. Even my 2012 Legacy with the EJ253 recommended 5w30, but did have the old-school oil viscosity chart buried in the manual, that gave the OK for pretty much everything between a 20wt and 20w50 depending on your ambient temps.

I know most manufacturers won't do a thing unless the vehicle consumes more than 1qt/1K miles and that's only after an excruciating "oil consumption test". Used to be a problem for 1998+ Isuzu 3.2/3.5L owners back when I owned a Rodeo and maintained a few 3.2/3.5's in the family, but mine never drank a drop.

Of all the new vehicles I've owned, cars, pickups, SUVs, domestic and otherwise, I've never had a new one use a noticeable amount that I recall.

I guess the nice thing is, Subaru has the low oil level warning light set to come on right at the low level mark on the dipstick. It took one quart to bring it right between the add and full holes on the stick.


Edited by JTK (03/21/14 09:50 AM)
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#3318868 - 03/21/14 09:52 AM Re: New Subaru, 1qt in 1800mi. [Re: JTK]
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In 2011 the first year for the fb25 subaru foresters don't have low oil level sensors.

They decided later it was necessary :P

Some other models came with it earlier.

Mine came with a recommended first oci at 3000mi but later they decided it wasnt really necessary.

my2011 used 1qt first 1000miles but now it uses about 1qt/3500mi sometimes less. I usually change at 3-4000 miles due to the severe service interval and my 1mile commute. By then I've added 1/2qt and its in the middle of the dipstick add/full
my dad's 2013 outback uses about 1qt/2000mi or so.


Edited by Rand (03/21/14 09:55 AM)
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#3318876 - 03/21/14 10:06 AM Re: New Subaru, 1qt in 1800mi. [Re: JTK]
JTK Offline


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Thanks Rand.

I'll give it some time to see how it goes. I'm sure being a high revving 5spd doesn't help. My 80mi work commute is mostly hellish highway, at speeds approaching 75mph. I don't do 75mph often because the little 2.0i, 5spd tachs at 3K RPM at those speeds....WahhhhhHH!
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#3318931 - 03/21/14 11:20 AM Re: New Subaru, 1qt in 1800mi. [Re: JTK]
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JTK, 3,000 RPM is just fine. I've had a few old cars from the late '80s and early '90s that ran anywhere from 3,200 to 4,000 RPM at 75 MPH. All had well over 100,000 miles when I owned them. None consumed more than half a quart in a 4,000 mile interval. They performed as expected both in terms of power and fuel consumption. I expect a 2014 engine to do at least as well in the long run.

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#3318940 - 03/21/14 11:28 AM Re: New Subaru, 1qt in 1800mi. [Re: JTK]
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My wife ran our 09 EJ253 near 4Krpm on the highway. Hellish 3k rpms? - that's funny smile There's no excess engine wear at steady state load (not accel) under four grand whatsoever.
Now me flooring the Honda Fit 1.5L 5speed all the time with dragstrip starts 7 or 10 times a day running up to the rev limiter (fuel cutoff) - youll get a bit more wear then. I may do my first UOA in a long while to see how the noisy Valvoline shows on the tiny Honda.


Edited by ARCOgraphite (03/21/14 11:31 AM)
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#3318944 - 03/21/14 11:33 AM Re: New Subaru, 1qt in 1800mi. [Re: JTK]
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1) Drive it more
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#3318962 - 03/21/14 11:47 AM Re: New Subaru, 1qt in 1800mi. [Re: JTK]
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I will say the oil consumption on the fb25 seems worst at 75-80mph or so extended highway trips of at least 40mile.

The thing to realize with the fb25 is the oil burning hurts nothing unless you get a bad one with massive consumption.. its just extremely annoying.

The truth comes out now arco eh? grin2 LOL

Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite

Now me flooring the Honda Fit 1.5L 5speed all the time with dragstrip starts 7 or 10 times a day running up to the rev limiter (fuel cutoff)


Edited by Rand (03/21/14 11:50 AM)
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#3318979 - 03/21/14 12:02 PM Re: New Subaru, 1qt in 1800mi. [Re: JTK]
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I would consider that to be due to engine break in.

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#3319049 - 03/21/14 01:35 PM Re: New Subaru, 1qt in 1800mi. [Re: Rand]
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Originally Posted By: Rand
I

The truth comes out now arco eh? grin2 LOL

Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite

Now me flooring the Honda Fit 1.5L 5speed all the time with dragstrip starts 7 or 10 times a day running up to the rev limiter (fuel cutoff)
I've think I mentioned more than one that I likely drive my cars harder than anyone on this forum - daily commute and not on a track. So I am a good test to the heretofore hidden weakness using under-additised low detergency/low polarity PCMO in 'high state of tune' 1.25+hp/cu-in engines. Also, I'm way older than 50.
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#3319055 - 03/21/14 01:38 PM Re: New Subaru, 1qt in 1800mi. [Re: ARCOgraphite]
JTK Offline


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Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
My wife ran our 09 EJ253 near 4Krpm on the highway. Hellish 3k rpms? - that's funny smile


?? I never said the 3000rpms were hellish, I said my highway commute is.
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#3319064 - 03/21/14 01:50 PM Re: New Subaru, 1qt in 1800mi. [Re: BearZDefect]
JTK Offline


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Originally Posted By: BearZDefect
JTK, 3,000 RPM is just fine. I've had a few old cars from the late '80s and early '90s that ran anywhere from 3,200 to 4,000 RPM at 75 MPH...


I hear you. I've had 4spd manual 4 bangers back in the 1980's, 3spd automatics, etc. that hummed along on the hyway. Just seems odd for a "green" 2014 model year "partial zero emissions vehicle".
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#3319223 - 03/21/14 05:24 PM Re: New Subaru, 1qt in 1800mi. [Re: JTK]
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3000 - 4000rpm is the sweet spot for a subie engine.
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#3319254 - 03/21/14 06:16 PM Re: New Subaru, 1qt in 1800mi. [Re: LoneRanger]
JTK Offline


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Originally Posted By: LoneRanger
3000 - 4000rpm is the sweet spot for a subie engine.


Could be LR. I dunno where peak torque is for the FB20, but I wouldn't say 2.0 or 2.5i Subaru engines are happy revers. To me they sound and feel horrible at high revs.
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#3319368 - 03/21/14 08:38 PM Re: New Subaru, 1qt in 1800mi. [Re: JTK]
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My only experience with oil consumption/Subaru with my current 2005 Legacy GT(turbo EJ255) wagon with 167,000 miles. I tried Mobil 1 and it consumed a quart every 2000 miles. No idea why. I flipped back to conventional 5w30 as before and currently and it does not burn oil over 4000 miles.

Makes no sense.

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#3319468 - 03/21/14 10:49 PM Re: New Subaru, 1qt in 1800mi. [Re: LoneRanger]
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Originally Posted By: LoneRanger
Believe there is a recent TSB out for this that may involve installing a new ring design Subaru has created to address the issue.


What exactly is the new ring design? Going from low tension rings for regular ones?

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#3319602 - 03/22/14 09:10 AM Re: New Subaru, 1qt in 1800mi. [Re: friendly_jacek]
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Originally Posted By: friendly_jacek
Originally Posted By: LoneRanger
Believe there is a recent TSB out for this that may involve installing a new ring design Subaru has created to address the issue.


What exactly is the new ring design? Going from low tension rings for regular ones?


A google search shows a brand new TSB just issued March 20 at SOA, but I do not have access to it: http://techinfo.subaru.com/static/whatsNew.html

Here is a link to the September 2013 complete TSB, a zipped up file if you feel it safe to open...about the 13th post down: http://www.subaruforester.org/vbulletin/...2/index151.html

2012 (AFTER VIN C*411693)- 14 MY Forester Models with 2.5L FB Engines
"This bulletin provides information regarding a change made to the surface treatment applied to the oil control piston rings for 2.5L FB engines. The change was made as a result of some limited findings of unanticipated wear of these rings. Oil consumption will be higher than normal and consistent, if this wear occurs, the condition remains until repair."



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#3319620 - 03/22/14 09:34 AM Re: New Subaru, 1qt in 1800mi. [Re: JTK]
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Mine is smooth as butter up to redline, 5-speed manual trans. Unless it is the boxer exhaust note you're referring to, which admittedly does take on a weird ragged sound above about 3500rpm. But as far as engine smoothness, I think I might be able to place a glass of Chardonnay on the engine and it wouldn't move.

Not that I drink Chardonnay.

When Mobil dropped Clean 5000 in late 2011, I switched it to Kendall GT-1 synthetic blend. Could it be the timing chain on the FB making it louder, I have the older EJ25 w/ the belt. Also, the revs are more buttery on the Kendall than they were on the old Mobil Clean 5000. Mobil oils lubricate well but they always seem to make the engine emit a little more metallic noise.

Kendall makes a 0W20 full synthetic, maybe try it on your next oil change it's priced below most other 0W20's (but can be hard to find on retail shelves). I think there is a VOA of it on the Petroleum Quality Institute of America's web site.

Originally Posted By: JTK
Originally Posted By: LoneRanger
3000 - 4000rpm is the sweet spot for a subie engine.


Could be LR. I dunno where peak torque is for the FB20, but I wouldn't say 2.0 or 2.5i Subaru engines are happy revers. To me they sound and feel horrible at high revs.
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#3320369 - 03/22/14 10:32 PM Re: New Subaru, 1qt in 1800mi. [Re: doitmyself]
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Originally Posted By: doitmyself

"This bulletin provides information regarding a change made to the surface treatment applied to the oil control piston rings for 2.5L FB engines. The change was made as a result of some limited findings of unanticipated wear of these rings. Oil consumption will be higher than normal and consistent, if this wear occurs, the condition remains until repair."


Thanks!
I guess the rings were too soft from the factory.

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#3320891 - 03/23/14 01:46 PM Re: New Subaru, 1qt in 1800mi. [Re: JTK]
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I was wrong about the RPMs at 75mph. They're closer to 3400rpm @ 75mph with the 5spd XV Crosstrek. Like said, it's not horrible, it just takes some getting used to. Until you get used to it, you're searching for another gear. IIRC, my 2012 Legacy 2.5i CVT rolled at barely 2K rpm at that speed.


Edited by JTK (03/23/14 01:48 PM)
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#3320897 - 03/23/14 01:57 PM Re: New Subaru, 1qt in 1800mi. [Re: JTK]
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Unfortunately my 2009 Legacy has consumed around 1qt of oil every 2.5k-3k since the car was brand new.. I drove it off the lot with 3 miles, and I first checked the oil at 2,800mi and I was just below the "low" mark on the dipstick. I currently have 146k on the car and it still drives just as strong as the day I bought it.

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#3320974 - 03/23/14 02:59 PM Re: New Subaru, 1qt in 1800mi. [Re: sxg6]
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Originally Posted By: sxg6
Unfortunately my 2009 Legacy has consumed around 1qt of oil every 2.5k-3k since the car was brand new.. I drove it off the lot with 3 miles, and I first checked the oil at 2,800mi and I was just below the "low" mark on the dipstick. I currently have 146k on the car and it still drives just as strong as the day I bought it.


I think of that level of consumption as merely an opportunity to top off with fresh oil partway through the OCI. Not all bad smile

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#3321616 - 03/24/14 04:31 AM Re: New Subaru, 1qt in 1800mi. [Re: JTK]
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Just hit 1500 miles on the Outback...was still full at 1000 but I better pull the stick again and see.

Have you done any aggressive driving sense you purchased the vehicle? I know modern engines break in quickly, but if your vehicle has only been driven gently so far some heavy acceleration and engine braking won't hurt.
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#3321746 - 03/24/14 08:59 AM Re: New Subaru, 1qt in 1800mi. [Re: JTK]
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Originally Posted By: JTK
Originally Posted By: LoneRanger
3000 - 4000rpm is the sweet spot for a subie engine.


Could be LR. I dunno where peak torque is for the FB20, but I wouldn't say 2.0 or 2.5i Subaru engines are happy revers. To me they sound and feel horrible at high revs.
Before our 2.5 got carboned up by my wifes lugging around, the FB25 ran like a highly tuned Porsche with the factory oil - smooth and torque all around. Garbage gasoline and marginal lube choice would temper its performance - also lack of spirited full throttle runs to clean 'er out. I will say t he EJ with the VVT and an insanely short stroke had more torque way up top of the rev band.


Edited by ARCOgraphite (03/24/14 09:00 AM)
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#3321859 - 03/24/14 10:49 AM Re: New Subaru, 1qt in 1800mi. [Re: rationull]
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Originally Posted By: rationull
Originally Posted By: sxg6
Unfortunately my 2009 Legacy has consumed around 1qt of oil every 2.5k-3k since the car was brand new.. I drove it off the lot with 3 miles, and I first checked the oil at 2,800mi and I was just below the "low" mark on the dipstick. I currently have 146k on the car and it still drives just as strong as the day I bought it.


I think of that level of consumption as merely an opportunity to top off with fresh oil partway through the OCI. Not all bad smile


I would want to "pass" on that "opportunity".... crackmeup

I have a 2GR-FE that uses 1/8 of a quart of oil in 5000 miles and it has 198,000 on the clock.
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#3322642 - 03/25/14 12:30 AM Re: New Subaru, 1qt in 1800mi. [Re: Doog]
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Originally Posted By: Doog
Originally Posted By: rationull
Originally Posted By: sxg6
Unfortunately my 2009 Legacy has consumed around 1qt of oil every 2.5k-3k since the car was brand new.. I drove it off the lot with 3 miles, and I first checked the oil at 2,800mi and I was just below the "low" mark on the dipstick. I currently have 146k on the car and it still drives just as strong as the day I bought it.


I think of that level of consumption as merely an opportunity to top off with fresh oil partway through the OCI. Not all bad smile


I would want to "pass" on that "opportunity".... crackmeup

I have a 2GR-FE that uses 1/8 of a quart of oil in 5000 miles and it has 198,000 on the clock.


Well, you don't always get to choose, do you?

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#3332129 - 04/03/14 09:49 AM Re: New Subaru, 1qt in 1800mi. [Re: LoneRanger]
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Posts: 2013
Loc: New Hampsha
I don't think my 2.0 in the Crosstrek has consumed any oil in 3 changes, the FF, Toyota 0w20 and current fill of Royal Purple 0w20. Build date of 8/13

I'm currently looking for a new oil that may quiet and smooth the engine down a bit. Maybe go back go the OEM oil
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#3332663 - 04/03/14 07:45 PM Re: New Subaru, 1qt in 1800mi. [Re: Blue_Goose]
JTK Offline


Registered: 08/14/03
Posts: 8851
Loc: Buffalo, NY
Originally Posted By: Blue_Goose
I don't think my 2.0 in the Crosstrek has consumed any oil in 3 changes, the FF, Toyota 0w20 and current fill of Royal Purple 0w20. Build date of 8/13

I'm currently looking for a new oil that may quiet and smooth the engine down a bit. Maybe go back go the OEM oil


Good to know.

I checked the oil level the other day @ ~2400mi. Still midway between add and full, since my ~1800mi 1qt top-up.

I'm getting a little itchy to drain the FF and haven't decided which 0w20 to go with, or if I want to go with easier to get and (sometimes) less expensive 5w20. I see NAPA has their full synthetic on sale again, which includes the 0w20 for $3.49/qt.

I'm not sure anything would fully quiet the cold start rattle on these engines. FWIW, my 2012 EJ253 sounded bad on cold start too. I ran nothing but Napa full synth 5w30 in that.
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#3332714 - 04/03/14 08:38 PM Re: New Subaru, 1qt in 1800mi. [Re: JTK]
glock19 Offline


Registered: 03/12/13
Posts: 611
Loc: Virginia
Originally Posted By: JTK
Originally Posted By: Blue_Goose
I don't think my 2.0 in the Crosstrek has consumed any oil in 3 changes, the FF, Toyota 0w20 and current fill of Royal Purple 0w20. Build date of 8/13

I'm currently looking for a new oil that may quiet and smooth the engine down a bit. Maybe go back go the OEM oil


Good to know.

I checked the oil level the other day @ ~2400mi. Still midway between add and full, since my ~1800mi 1qt top-up.

I'm getting a little itchy to drain the FF and haven't decided which 0w20 to go with, or if I want to go with easier to get and (sometimes) less expensive 5w20. I see NAPA has their full synthetic on sale again, which includes the 0w20 for $3.49/qt.

I'm not sure anything would fully quiet the cold start rattle on these engines. FWIW, my 2012 EJ253 sounded bad on cold start too. I ran nothing but Napa full synth 5w30 in that.


If you decide to go with any 0w-20 other than the Subaru synthetic then please post your results. I've only run the Subaru oil but I've been thinking about M1 AFE for the next fill.
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#3333807 - 04/05/14 02:10 AM Re: New Subaru, 1qt in 1800mi. [Re: Doog]
john_pifer Offline


Registered: 07/08/12
Posts: 1182
Loc: Nashville, TN via Memphis
Originally Posted By: Doog
Originally Posted By: rationull
Originally Posted By: sxg6
Unfortunately my 2009 Legacy has consumed around 1qt of oil every 2.5k-3k since the car was brand new.. I drove it off the lot with 3 miles, and I first checked the oil at 2,800mi and I was just below the "low" mark on the dipstick. I currently have 146k on the car and it still drives just as strong as the day I bought it.


I think of that level of consumption as merely an opportunity to top off with fresh oil partway through the OCI. Not all bad smile


I would want to "pass" on that "opportunity".... crackmeup

I have a 2GR-FE that uses 1/8 of a quart of oil in 5000 miles and it has 198,000 on the clock.


My 1GR-FE Taco uses almost none over 10K OCI @ 133K. (Probably has hi-tension rings, as the gas mileage is sure nothing to brag about!)
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#3341538 - 04/13/14 02:03 PM Re: New Subaru, 1qt in 1800mi. [Re: JTK]
bigdreama Offline


Registered: 04/07/08
Posts: 1247
Loc: Fl & Vt
At 1700 miles our Crosstrek looks to be down about 1/4 quart on the factory fill. I ran ours in pretty hard with lots of engine braking.

Here is a link to the controversial break-in site:

http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm
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#3341577 - 04/13/14 02:38 PM Re: New Subaru, 1qt in 1800mi. [Re: bigdreama]
JTK Offline


Registered: 08/14/03
Posts: 8851
Loc: Buffalo, NY
Originally Posted By: bigdreama
At 1700 miles our Crosstrek looks to be down about 1/4 quart on the factory fill. I ran ours in pretty hard with lots of engine braking.


I may have used a little bit from ~1800 to my current ~3100mi, tough to tell. Stupid dipstick is reading one level on one side, and another on the other LOL!! Can't really rotate it in the tube.

Anyway.. I'm hard on the thing pretty much all the time and do lots of compression braking due to the hilly area I live in.


Edited by JTK (04/13/14 02:39 PM)
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