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#3316660 - 03/19/14 09:24 AM Archoil 9100 added to Mercon V - Manual Trans??
sw99 Offline


Registered: 03/22/06
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Loc: Colorado
I use Archoil 9100 in my engine oil (2006 PSD) and the results have been stellar.

I am getting ready to do a transmission fluid change in the truck that specs Mercon V fluid for the ZF6 Tranny.

Is there going to be any issues with adding 4 ounces of 9100 to the new fluid? Archiol recommends "Auto Trans-Use 3 oz of AR9100 to treat 1 gallon auto transmission fluid." IIRC, the ZF6 uses just under 6 quarts.

My fear is that I don't know enough about synchros in a manual transmission vs an actual auto transmission.
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#3316725 - 03/19/14 10:18 AM Re: Archoil 9100 added to Mercon V - Manual Trans?? [Re: sw99]
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Originally Posted By: sw99
I use Archoil 9100 in my engine oil (2006 PSD) and the results have been stellar.

I am getting ready to do a transmission fluid change in the truck that specs Mercon V fluid for the ZF6 Tranny.

Is there going to be any issues with adding 4 ounces of 9100 to the new fluid? Archiol recommends "Auto Trans-Use 3 oz of AR9100 to treat 1 gallon auto transmission fluid." IIRC, the ZF6 uses just under 6 quarts.

My fear is that I don't know enough about synchros in a manual transmission vs an actual auto transmission.

9100 Spec Sheet

Kudos to their copywriter: "potassium nanoborate", "complex fatty acid esters", "far more lubricious", "solid boundary lubricant". However, it's really not clear what this product is and how it supposed to work.

Their address in Wallingford is at a strip mall:

69 North Turnpike Road

so I assume they are not actually a manufacturer. That's not a problem - I know some one-man shops who put together speciality products in their basement that actually work, but they seem to offer "something for everyone".

Where did you encounter them?

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#3316795 - 03/19/14 10:55 AM Re: Archoil 9100 added to Mercon V - Manual Trans?? [Re: sw99]
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Wilhelm, Archoil is most popular in Powerstroke diesel applications where many have had great success eliminating the "stiction" issue on those motors(injectors specifically). I first heard of them on Jay Lenos Garage myself.

sw99, your application amount seems to be fine. On whether or not to do it.. that's a tough call. I've used LG red in manual trans without any issue, but I'm not sure how much the AR9100 will reduce friction. I'm guessing that's maybe why they suggest a small amount? If you do go for it, I would love to hear your impressions.
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#3316940 - 03/19/14 12:26 PM Re: Archoil 9100 added to Mercon V - Manual Trans?? [Re: sw99]
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Please use something better than MerconV for an MTX. A dedicated MTF will serve you better.
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#3317464 - 03/19/14 08:43 PM Re: Archoil 9100 added to Mercon V - Manual Trans?? [Re: badtlc]
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Originally Posted By: badtlc
Please use something better than MerconV for an MTX. A dedicated MTF will serve you better.


Mercon V is what Ford specs for my Tranny and these seem to run just fine on it.
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#3317466 - 03/19/14 08:46 PM Re: Archoil 9100 added to Mercon V - Manual Trans?? [Re: panthermike]
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Registered: 03/22/06
Posts: 2120
Loc: Colorado
Originally Posted By: panthermike
sw99, your application amount seems to be fine. On whether or not to do it.. that's a tough call. I've used LG red in manual trans without any issue, but I'm not sure how much the AR9100 will reduce friction. I'm guessing that's maybe why they suggest a small amount? If you do go for it, I would love to hear your impressions.


I'll definitely post up if I do it. I would love to hear from more of the more experienced tranny/synchro guru's just in case this is a bad idea and there is something I'm missing.
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#3317835 - 03/20/14 08:54 AM Re: Archoil 9100 added to Mercon V - Manual Trans?? [Re: sw99]
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Originally Posted By: sw99
Originally Posted By: badtlc
Please use something better than MerconV for an MTX. A dedicated MTF will serve you better.


Mercon V is what Ford specs for my Tranny and these seem to run just fine on it.


there is "fine" and there is "much better." MerconV only fits the "fine" category.
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#3317836 - 03/20/14 08:55 AM Re: Archoil 9100 added to Mercon V - Manual Trans?? [Re: sw99]
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Registered: 06/08/06
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Loc: KC
Originally Posted By: sw99
Originally Posted By: panthermike
sw99, your application amount seems to be fine. On whether or not to do it.. that's a tough call. I've used LG red in manual trans without any issue, but I'm not sure how much the AR9100 will reduce friction. I'm guessing that's maybe why they suggest a small amount? If you do go for it, I would love to hear your impressions.


I'll definitely post up if I do it. I would love to hear from more of the more experienced tranny/synchro guru's just in case this is a bad idea and there is something I'm missing.


Yeah, you are missing a fluid with an additive pack designed for synchro and gear protection.
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#3317848 - 03/20/14 09:10 AM Re: Archoil 9100 added to Mercon V - Manual Trans?? [Re: sw99]
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I would skip the additive and step up to an actual MTL over the speced atf.

See Mola's thread on what to pick -
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3024238
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#3321751 - 03/24/14 09:05 AM Re: Archoil 9100 added to Mercon V - Manual Trans?? [Re: sw99]
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Now this thread has me wondering. I have to admit that I find it odd that 95% of MT's use MTF and the other 5% use ATF. The ZF is German made and I have yet to see a German auto maker using ATF in the manual trannys. So what gives?
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#3321850 - 03/24/14 10:39 AM Re: Archoil 9100 added to Mercon V - Manual Trans?? [Re: sw99]
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Originally Posted By: sw99
Now this thread has me wondering. I have to admit that I find it odd that 95% of MT's use MTF and the other 5% use ATF. The ZF is German made and I have yet to see a German auto maker using ATF in the manual trannys. So what gives?



I agree. The number of manual transmissions that allow ATF is shrinking. ZF is actually pretty specific about what should go in their auto transmissions, typically Lifeguard6 or 8 (depending on application). Their manual transmissions typically require a 75w90 GL-4.
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#3321941 - 03/24/14 11:49 AM Re: Archoil 9100 added to Mercon V - Manual Trans?? [Re: sw99]
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Can you explain what you mean by "stellar", and how you attribute it to the Archoil 9100 and not to the oil or any thing else?

I mean, I use M1 oil with nothing else added in all my vehicles, and it has been stellar. Really it has been, after nearly 300,000 miles in a sludge-year 1MZ-FE the internals are very, very clean, as shown by photos I have posted here. And no consumption to speak of either. I also use M1 ATF and that too has been stellar, as evidenced by the fact that the transmissions are still operating and there is minimal clutch goop in the pan along with very clean magnets.

Originally Posted By: sw99
I use Archoil 9100 in my engine oil (2006 PSD) and the results have been stellar.
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#3322914 - 03/25/14 10:26 AM Re: Archoil 9100 added to Mercon V - Manual Trans?? [Re: kschachn]
sw99 Offline


Registered: 03/22/06
Posts: 2120
Loc: Colorado
Originally Posted By: kschachn
Can you explain what you mean by "stellar", and how you attribute it to the Archoil 9100 and not to the oil or any thing else?


One word... Stiction

The 9100 results I say are "stellar" are specifically geared towards my experience while using in my 6.0 PSD. Night and day difference.
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#3323083 - 03/25/14 12:18 PM Re: Archoil 9100 added to Mercon V - Manual Trans?? [Re: sw99]
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Registered: 06/05/02
Posts: 19042
Loc: Iowegia - USA
Originally Posted By: sw99
Originally Posted By: kschachn
Can you explain what you mean by "stellar", and how you attribute it to the Archoil 9100 and not to the oil or any thing else?


One word... Stiction

The 9100 results I say are "stellar" are specifically geared towards my experience while using in my 6.0 PSD. Night and day difference.


What is your definition of "Stiction" and why would want stiction?

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#3323415 - 03/25/14 05:27 PM Re: Archoil 9100 added to Mercon V - Manual Trans?? [Re: MolaKule]
panthermike Offline


Registered: 04/01/08
Posts: 3359
Loc: Phoenix, AZ
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Originally Posted By: sw99
Originally Posted By: kschachn
Can you explain what you mean by "stellar", and how you attribute it to the Archoil 9100 and not to the oil or any thing else?


One word... Stiction

The 9100 results I say are "stellar" are specifically geared towards my experience while using in my 6.0 PSD. Night and day difference.


What is your definition of "Stiction" and why would want stiction?


Mola, look up Powerstroke stiction, very common problem. You don't want stiction is the point, seems many have had success with AR9100 reducing or eliminating the issue.
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