M1 0W40 I received is made in Egypt

[Garak]

Originally Posted By: 911TBO
You can get anything in 20l (about 22 quarts) pales from the Mobil distributor in Aus. Some of them they keep in 60l and 205l too.

Nice. I noticed your gear oil issue in another thread about only being able to buy it in 20L pails. That's pretty much how the Delvac series of differential lubes are sold up here, too. As for big drums, that was the only way I could get the compressor oil I wanted. I use a lot of compressor oil, but even I would have difficulty going through 205 L, not to mention that would be a little clumsy if it needed to be moved around a lot.

The Delvac 1 ESP 5w-40 comes in 4x4 L boxes. Some of the related products are in pails, others in one litre jugs, some in drums, and some in much larger containers, including 1200 L sizes.

 

[supercity]

All M1 Is available 1L and 5L in retail stores. 12x1L or 4x5L or 20L or 208L from the distributor. The last 5L of M1 5w50 I bought was also made in Egypt.

 

[Doug Hillary]

Hi,
Garak - Your question has been answered by others.

Many lubricants on sale here have been imported for several years now. They come from Asia, Europe, USA and of course wherever elsewhere the economics stack up correctly for the Oil Company

Quality control is typically first class so the variances are insignificant IMO

 

[TrevorS]

Exchange rate movements may well determine where identical products are manufactured and sourced.

The grey market can also be quick to take advantage of exchange rate fluctuations.

Interesting that M1 0w40 is made in Egypt.

 

[Falcon_LS]

No surprise. Locally, M1 0W-40 is available from France, Belgium and Egypt. Egyptian M1 0W-40 is usually the cheapest, whilst French was usually the most expensive, albeit not by much. After the switch to New Life, French sourced M1 0W-40 is about as common as hen's teeth now. It's either Belgian or Egyptian.

 

[Petersubaru]

Originally Posted By: dennishiip
Best oil for your Porsche is Joe Gibbs DT40 Specifically formulated for these cars
..I am confused as to how the Mobil 0W-40 got such a poor rating ...could you explain how the minus 27 was calculated here in this post that you referred too.. 6th post down on page 2 http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforums/996-forum/736199-joe-gibbs-dt40-2.html

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: Petersubaru
Originally Posted By: dennishiip
Best oil for your Porsche is Joe Gibbs DT40 Specifically formulated for these cars
..I am confused as to how the Mobil 0W-40 got such a poor rating ...could you explain how the minus 27 was calculated here in this post that you referred too.. 6th post down on page 2 http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforums/996-forum/736199-joe-gibbs-dt40-2.html


And I find this quote interesting:

Quote:
DT40 is NOT designed to be utilized for on-track activities, it is a street oil just like any other and it must maintain its ability to hold up for 5K mile service intervals. All of my engines that see even one day of track service utilize XP-9 and that product is only good for 750 miles before the additive packages are depleted.
So, in other words don't track your car on DT-40.


Considering Doug Hillary and others have made note of the oil being slagged here (M1 0w-40) as used on the Nurburgring in competition in a variety of vehicles including Porsche's.....

And of course GM uses M1 0w-40 in their competition race Corvette cars.

 

[Doug Hillary]

Hi,
OVERK1LL - Yes, I can confirm that M1 0W-40 was being used by a number of Teams/Individuals at the last Nurburgring 24Hr events I attended

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: Doug Hillary
Hi,
OVERK1LL - Yes, I can confirm that M1 0W-40 was being used by a number of Teams/Individuals at the last Nurburgring 24Hr events I attended


So then Doug, explain to me how this DT40 oil is supposed to be better than M1 0w-40, yet is unsuitable for track use. Yet M1 0w-40 is regularly used by various OEM's AS their track lube. How does that make sense?

 

[Doug Hillary]

Hi,
OVERK1LL - I have had some Technical "conflicts" over several years with some of the named parties so I don't wish to burden BITOG with this product's hype. This all started a decade or so ago when I recommended HDEOs and Delvac 1 for use in certain Porsche engines. Instead of the often uncalled for 20W-50 soup of the time. My experience with this dates back to the 1960s and Copenhagen where I worked for Caltex-Chevron in a Technical capacity

They didn't like HD lubricants.........they were for diesels............

So it still goes on.

Strange but early Porsche engines 356>, 911> were factory filled with HD mono-grade Shell lubricants. Porsche commenced FF with Shell XMO 5w-40 in the 928 GTS in 1992 or there about - the first Manufacturer to FF with a synthetic lubricant

Strange as it may seem the Porsche Museum in Stuttgart still use a 20W-50 mineral lubricant in many of their old and priceless engines. Warmed up of course to 80C before load or revs are applied

Benz engines were also using HD lubricants until the 1970s IIRC. I certainly did in my 230SL, 220SEB, 200 and 250S of that era

So marketing hype plays a role as does the intended Market, and a quick look at the data on the Gibbs oils show that it does not have a universal application.

As well, some Blenders can make specialised lubricants for special applications, we all know this. This goes way back to the Auto-Union and Mercedes-Benz GP cars of the 1930s

I'm sure that this still holds true and a significant place. And the likes of BP-Castrol, Mobil, Shell, Motul etc etc produce special blends for special tasks. It is quite likely that the pictures of oil containers at trackside do contain a special brew and the labelling shows the standard regalia

The Mobil 1 0W-40 at the Nurburgring was standard stuff as was the Castrol lubricants used. And I did spend time with Castrol and BMW's specialist engine development people there as well! As you know I have an extensive history with Castrol and the development of Castrol Formula R Synthetic 15W-50 (red, ester based)(SE) into the 10W-60 that has been so successful for so long

 

[OVERKILL]

Thanks (as always) for your insight Doug

Your recommendation here I noted was not for M1 0w-40, but for D1 5w-40. I've noticed you've recommended that lubricant over M1 0w-40 in certain cases in the past. I'm curious, is this based on your experience with this particular HD lubricant in certain engine families that you feel it provides a benefit above and beyond the 0w-40 product due to it being heavier and more shear stable?

I noticed in my own testing that D1 actually got slightly heavier on a 12K OCI than it started, which surprised me, as that's of course the opposite of shear

 

[Doug Hillary]

Hi,
OVERK1LL - I have not seen any serious (to condemnation point) permanent shearing with M1 0W-40. It has not occurred in any applications that I've used it in. This has been Porsche engines, Benz engines (supercharged) and a variety of others. I only used D1 5W-40 in my Z3 2.8 as 0W-40 was noisy at startup and this bugged me!

I have extensive experience with D1 in a variety of engine families. In my heavy trucks it gained 1% in viscosity at 90kkms OCIUs on average. The top up rate was 1ltr/6kkms. It's worst performance was a gain of 1.5% and a loss of 1%

 

[Garak]

Originally Posted By: Doug Hillary
Benz engines were also using HD lubricants until the 1970s IIRC. I certainly did in my 230SL, 220SEB, 200 and 250S of that era

Thanks for the info, Doug. Audi was recommending, at least indirectly, something similar until at least the dawn of the 1990s. The old Audi chart contemporary to that era had 15w-40 of the current API regime as the grade choice for the widest range of temperatures. At least here, the 15w-40 tended to be an HDEO, with the vast majority of them dual rated.