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#2829364 - 12/09/12 03:18 PM what is the best fuel injector cleaner
jdmstr22 Offline


Registered: 12/04/12
Posts: 275
Loc: Illinois
I have an 06 hyindai sonata 2.4 with 162,000 miles just changed my oil yesterday so want to run a fuel injector cleaber. I normally use chevron techron the concentrate version. Is what im using superior or is there something better.

What about B12 chemtool
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#2829365 - 12/09/12 03:19 PM Re: what is the best fuel injector cleaner [Re: jdmstr22]
Nick R Offline


Registered: 07/14/09
Posts: 11079
Loc: Albany, NY
I'd stick with the techron, it's what I use and seems to be among the best of the fuel system cleaners.
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#2829372 - 12/09/12 03:32 PM Re: what is the best fuel injector cleaner [Re: Nick R]
antiqueshell Offline


Registered: 03/02/12
Posts: 5133
Loc: chicago, Illinois
Chevron Techron Concentrate Fuel System Cleaner
Redline LS-1
Gumout Regane Complete Fuel System Cleaner


= ALL HAVE HIGH PEA CONCENTRATIONS FOR THE BEST CLEANING WITHOUT LEAVING ANY OF ITS OWN DETERGENT RESIDUE BEHIND.

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#2829374 - 12/09/12 03:35 PM Re: what is the best fuel injector cleaner [Re: antiqueshell]
gathermewool Offline


Registered: 01/09/09
Posts: 4962
Loc: New England
Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
Chevron Techron Concentrate Fuel System Cleaner
Redline LS-1
Gumout Regane Complete Fuel System Cleaner


= ALL HAVE HIGH PEA CONCENTRATIONS FOR THE BEST CLEANING WITHOUT LEAVING ANY OF ITS OWN DETERGENT RESIDUE BEHIND.


Redline SI-1 would be my choice, though the BOGO deals on Techron make it pretty tough to beat.
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#2829380 - 12/09/12 03:42 PM Re: what is the best fuel injector cleaner [Re: jdmstr22]
Quest Offline


Registered: 12/19/04
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for ported FI types of fuel injectors (configuration), the only proven type of FI cleaner is PEA (polyetheramines). In chevron's brand, it's techron; in Shell's vague terminology, it's their nitrogen-enhanced additive.

Redline also has PEA based FI cleaner available.

I typically chose to do FI (in the form of fuel-additive in a full tank of gas) right before an oil change, not right after (don't want the cylinder washoffs to contaminate the motor oil in my crankcase).

I also don't believe in those "jack of all trades" type additives, for they are not proven to possess cleaning ability for injectors (ported type).

As for DI type of engines, dunno how effective PEA works and I have a strong believe that the chemists and scientists are actively working on a new additive for DI gasoline engines.

Q.
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#2829434 - 12/09/12 04:33 PM Re: what is the best fuel injector cleaner [Re: jdmstr22]
gathermewool Offline


Registered: 01/09/09
Posts: 4962
Loc: New England
Port injection is called so because the fuel is injected into the intake port, upstream of the intake valves. Cleaners work well here because they clean the injector nozzle AND the intake valves, since the fuel/air/cleaner mixture "washes" over the intake valves as it is being sucked (or blown in a super-charged application) into the engine.

Direct injection is called so because fuel is injected directly into the cylinder. The issue with this, at least early on, has been that recirculated PCV moisture and oil vapor builds up on the intake valves, since no fuel washes over the valves to keep them clean; thusly, adding a cleaner would have no affect.

I honestly don't know how cleaners affect variable-valve-timing-type EGR systems, but I wouldn't bet on a cleaner maintaining my valves clean in a DI application.

IMO, use FI cleaner when ever. I don't see any benefit to waiting until just before an oil change, since most people don't have too much fuel dilution, let alone cylinder washoff. Also, would fuel injector cleaners cause faster degradation of the oil than regular fuel?
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#2829454 - 12/09/12 04:51 PM Re: what is the best fuel injector cleaner [Re: antiqueshell]
LeakySeals Offline


Registered: 02/18/11
Posts: 5834
Loc: Hudson, NH
Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
Chevron Techron Concentrate Fuel System Cleaner
Redline LS-1
Gumout Regane Complete Fuel System Cleaner


= ALL HAVE HIGH PEA CONCENTRATIONS FOR THE BEST CLEANING WITHOUT LEAVING ANY OF ITS OWN DETERGENT RESIDUE BEHIND.

Add Gumout High Mileage and Gumout All in One
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#2829482 - 12/09/12 05:15 PM Re: what is the best fuel injector cleaner [Re: jdmstr22]
vtecboy Offline


Registered: 06/10/12
Posts: 96
Loc: california
I've had good results with Berryman B12 Chemtool.

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#2829489 - 12/09/12 05:21 PM Re: what is the best fuel injector cleaner [Re: LeakySeals]
dparm Offline


Registered: 04/19/10
Posts: 13031
Loc: Chicago, IL
Originally Posted By: LeakySeals
Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
Chevron Techron Concentrate Fuel System Cleaner
Redline LS-1
Gumout Regane Complete Fuel System Cleaner


= ALL HAVE HIGH PEA CONCENTRATIONS FOR THE BEST CLEANING WITHOUT LEAVING ANY OF ITS OWN DETERGENT RESIDUE BEHIND.

Add Gumout High Mileage and Gumout All in One



Agree.

Has anyone verified that the HM & AIO Gumout products really do have PEA in a good quantity?
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#2829505 - 12/09/12 05:40 PM Re: what is the best fuel injector cleaner [Re: dparm]
LeakySeals Offline


Registered: 02/18/11
Posts: 5834
Loc: Hudson, NH
According to these 2 links yes, but they don't say how much.
http://www.gumoutprojectmotorhead.com/?p=606
http://www.scca.com/about/?cid=50879

The All-In-One has the "best benefits", with 3 checks for one tank cleanup. Does that mean the most potency? Who knows.
http://www.gumout.com/cleanerGuide/index.asp
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#2829512 - 12/09/12 05:48 PM Re: what is the best fuel injector cleaner [Re: dparm]
Garak Offline


Registered: 12/05/09
Posts: 20363
Loc: Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada
Originally Posted By: dparm
Has anyone verified that the HM & AIO Gumout products really do have PEA in a good quantity?


I recently gave the HM one the smell test, and it stunk of fish to high heaven, for what that's worth. I believe that is the odour of PEA.
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#2829611 - 12/09/12 07:34 PM Re: what is the best fuel injector cleaner [Re: Quest]
cchase Offline


Registered: 11/03/09
Posts: 4021
Loc: New England
Originally Posted By: Quest
in Shell's vague terminology, it's their nitrogen-enhanced additive.
Q.


Is there documentation to substantiate this? I've never seen anything about Shell having PEA in their fuel.

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#2829666 - 12/09/12 08:36 PM Re: what is the best fuel injector cleaner [Re: jdmstr22]
mikered30 Offline


Registered: 09/10/05
Posts: 1442
Loc: PA
3M Max Strength Fuel System Cleaner has the highest PEA concentration of the cleaners.

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#2829692 - 12/09/12 09:15 PM Re: what is the best fuel injector cleaner [Re: mikered30]
antiqueshell Offline


Registered: 03/02/12
Posts: 5133
Loc: chicago, Illinois
Originally Posted By: mikered30
3M Max Strength Fuel System Cleaner has the highest PEA concentration of the cleaners.


Yep I think it is as high as 60%!

Have you found a brick and mortar parts store that actually carries this product ???

The only place I have found it is on the internet.


Edited by antiqueshell (12/09/12 09:15 PM)

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#2829723 - 12/09/12 09:50 PM Re: what is the best fuel injector cleaner [Re: antiqueshell]
mikered30 Offline


Registered: 09/10/05
Posts: 1442
Loc: PA
Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
Originally Posted By: mikered30
3M Max Strength Fuel System Cleaner has the highest PEA concentration of the cleaners.


Yep I think it is as high as 60%!

Have you found a brick and mortar parts store that actually carries this product ???

The only place I have found it is on the internet.


I got it off of amazon a while ago, when it was cheaper. I only ever saw it online. I saw the weaker formula at local NAPA, which is the one they sell in the DIY kit.

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