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#2614105 - 04/30/12 06:52 PM Traded in the Fusion....
panthermike Offline

Registered: 04/01/08
Posts: 3286
Loc: Phoenix, AZ
on a 2012 Kia Optima SX Turbo! It was hard for me to trade in the Fusion, I really do love that car.

My reasons for trading it in were concerns of longtime longevity. The car started experience the dreaded transmission 2-3 "flare" AND the waterfall noise from the dash came back on strong. Both of these issues are relatively common on the Fusion. Mileage at trade in was 44,205. Ford attempted to fix both issues to no avail. As far as my research goes, they don't seem to have a permanent fix either.

A year ago, I wouldn't have considered Kia(boring I thought). However, the Optima is awesome; with good looks, quality, 274hp, 100K warranty, and 22/34mpg, it wasn't a hard choice.

I will miss the Fusion, it was a great riding car and I loved the front end styling on it, as well as the color. We got a great deal on the Optima with a 10yr/100K bumper to bumper warranty. The car runs very strong and is definately optioned better than the Fusion.

This is the only pic for now; out with the old and in with the new:

'16 Ram Sport 1500;dealer oil/filter 13K

#2614114 - 04/30/12 06:57 PM Re: Traded in the Fusion.... [Re: panthermike]
OtisBlkR1 Offline

Registered: 06/03/09
Posts: 3219
Loc: Indiana
Both cars look nice. congradulations.. Glad you didnt buy the Turbo Dodge Caliber. Buddys had some trouble out of his. Enuff to turn me off to it.
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#2614117 - 04/30/12 06:59 PM Re: Traded in the Fusion.... [Re: panthermike]
UberxG Offline

Registered: 06/27/08
Posts: 223
Loc: California
Great color ! it will do you good, i think the manual recommends a 40wt oil
2011 Kia Forte EX
Castrol GTX 5w20
Kia Oil Filter (26300-35503)

#2614124 - 04/30/12 07:05 PM Re: Traded in the Fusion.... [Re: panthermike]
JHZR2 Offline

Registered: 12/14/02
Posts: 39509
Loc: New Jersey
A turbo engine with that specific output isn't what I'd buy if longevity was a concern.

To put it in perspective, my 135i makes 100 HP/L, yours is 137 HP/L. 37% greater specific output is really awesome, considering that 100 is fairly high. But I have my doubts on longevity, especially with the brand being associated with folks who don't maintain their cars (not you).

But enough poo-pooing, I've seen a few of these and really like the lines. I assume it is AT, but is there an MT version you can get?

34 mpg is really good, can't wait for more reviews as you get some miles on it!

Good luck on a nice looking awesome car!

#2614134 - 04/30/12 07:16 PM Re: Traded in the Fusion.... [Re: panthermike]
Smokescreen Offline

Registered: 05/25/05
Posts: 2968
Loc: Alberta, Canada
You seriously traded up.
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03 Sierra 6.0L-201Kkms(125Kmi)-F1,Delco

All with mpg > EPA

#2614148 - 04/30/12 07:22 PM Re: Traded in the Fusion.... [Re: panthermike]
daves87rs Offline

Registered: 02/23/09
Posts: 16289
Loc: Michigan
Like em both...tough choice!
Whatever you are, be a good one.

#2614192 - 04/30/12 07:56 PM Re: Traded in the Fusion.... [Re: panthermike]
Dakota1820 Offline
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Registered: 04/28/11
Posts: 3894
Loc: missouri usa
I think its funny that a person looking for longevity would look toward Kia. I realize they are miles better than ever before but seems to me if longevity is a concern I would look at a Malibu or accord or even Camry. Call me crazy but all of those are tried and true. But I wish you luck!!
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#2614193 - 04/30/12 07:56 PM Re: Traded in the Fusion.... [Re: panthermike]
Spazdog Offline

Registered: 09/06/10
Posts: 5941
Loc: Arlington
The first time I had an Optima SX turbo in my shop, other clients kept getting out of their car to look at it.

We had a Rolls Royce, a Lamborghini, SL-AMG, etc... but everyone checks out the Kia.

"This is a Kia?"

"Are they all like this?"

"How much are these cars?"

It was very well received.
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#2614211 - 04/30/12 08:06 PM Re: Traded in the Fusion.... [Re: panthermike]
panthermike Offline

Registered: 04/01/08
Posts: 3286
Loc: Phoenix, AZ
Thanks for the comments, JHZR2; I'd be lying if I didn't want more power than the Fusion had, but I can see your point.

The Optima is the same as the Sonata underneath mostly, and Hyundai has a good reputation.
'16 Ram Sport 1500;dealer oil/filter 13K

#2614214 - 04/30/12 08:09 PM Re: Traded in the Fusion.... [Re: panthermike]
DirtyApe Offline

Registered: 06/10/04
Posts: 508
Loc: SW Illinois.
BUT - Behind the looks, it's still a Kia. They had to grab the 'eyeballs' and keep them there long enough to build enough interest to get someone in the driver seat.

We testdrove one a month or so back when they had the $25 test drive offer, the same model as yours. Hardest riding, roughest car I think I've ever been in. I sat there for 5 minutes and pointed out problems and poor fit to the salesman.

SHould have just traded towards the 2013 Fusion.

Edited by DirtyApe (04/30/12 08:10 PM)

#2614228 - 04/30/12 08:27 PM Re: Traded in the Fusion.... [Re: panthermike]
JTK Offline

Registered: 08/14/03
Posts: 9265
Loc: Buffalo, NY
Nice looking car Mike!

Those are selling well in my area. My closest Kia dealer is a Subaru/Kia dealership (where I bought my Legacy).

They probably sell 3 Kias for every 1 Suby.

How's the insurance compared to the Fusion given the Kia is a turbo?

You probably did well on the trade-in given the crazy cost of used cars these days.

2016 Subaru Forester 2.5, CVT. 2013 Dodge Grand Caravan SE (Babe magnet III)

#2614234 - 04/30/12 08:31 PM Re: Traded in the Fusion.... [Re: panthermike]
needsducktape Offline

Registered: 05/08/11
Posts: 820
Loc: Sacramento CA
I think the Kia is a better looking car than the Sonata sibling.

I find it interesting that the Ford has so many issues?! I often wonder if its simply a matter of more people (the internet gives EVERYONE a voice, after all) getting their complaints heard or if there are truly a high number of issues.
The actual incident data would be interesting.

Food for thought.
2002 Audi A4 quattro 1.8t
158,000 miles
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#2614241 - 04/30/12 08:36 PM Re: Traded in the Fusion.... [Re: panthermike]
tomcat27 Offline

Registered: 06/25/09
Posts: 3262
Loc: Midwest
congratulations! I imagine there is quite a difference in the handling, as well as quite a few extra ponies under the hood!
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#2614256 - 04/30/12 08:46 PM Re: Traded in the Fusion.... [Re: panthermike]

Registered: 07/29/08
Posts: 1042
Jusy wait when it comes time for trade in or resale! Thats where these vehicles fail!
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#2614343 - 04/30/12 10:11 PM Re: Traded in the Fusion.... [Re: RISUPERCREWMAN]
panthermike Offline

Registered: 04/01/08
Posts: 3286
Loc: Phoenix, AZ
Originally Posted By: RISUPERCREWMAN
Jusy wait when it comes time for trade in or resale! Thats where these vehicles fail!

Not any worse than the Fusion! A similarly equipped/same mileage '10 Sonata(prior to new model), books for $400 more than our Fusion.
'16 Ram Sport 1500;dealer oil/filter 13K

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