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Just how dangerous is Lucas Oil Stabilizer? #2434479 11/14/11 07:49 PM
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Hi, I'm a new member.

It was a couple of years ago, I think, that the front page of this site showed off Lucas oil stabilizer. There were pictures of how it would distribute oil better.

I bought some, put it in my car, and then came back to site. I notice that LOS is not held in high regard and actually seems dangerous.

1)Is there a way for my to access the earlier articles on LOS?

2)I took the oil course on the site. It recommends use of lowest possible viscosity of oil to diminish wear on startup. This is because it takes longer for higher viscosity oil to flow freely. An it is the time from start-up to flowing freely that causes the most engine wear. It would seem to me that cars in warmer climates would last a lot longer than cars in colder climates. I would seem to me that cars using LOS in colder climates would not last long at all. Is there something to this?

I'm asking this to try to understand if I should change the oil since I just put in a bottle of LOS.

All the best.

I drive a 1995 Camry using a quart of oil every 2000 miles. Runs great.

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If LOS makes you feel good, use it. I think the stuff is just a big-name snake oil, personally.


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Good quality oil does not need its formula doctored or changed. Lucas oil stabilizer actually changes the formula and not in a good way. So do any of the canned oil treatments. The word dangerous is not correct.


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First of all, welcome You mentioned that you saw the photo, and may have even played with the LOS gear setup at the register at the auto parts store (we all have). It looks good in theory, but keep in mind that the insides of your engine work nothing like that. Still, I'm sure many people use it with no ill effects. I've used it before, several times, and my cars haven't blown up. It did make some startup racket on cold mornings though. Run this current fill the same length that you normally would, and don't worry. But I wouldn't use it next time. It may not do any harm, but it certainly won't help any either.


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I used it one in my old Dakota with a 318. After about 800 into the OCI the engine developed a loud whine turns out it increased the viscosity of the oil and was causing oil starvation of the cam. I no longer have that pick up now... crush cry


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Re: Just how dangerous is Lucas Oil Stabilizer? [Re: dabble] #2434531 11/14/11 08:40 PM
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Ouch. I think I glanced at it, didn't read it, and though it meant the opposite of what it said.

Re: Just how dangerous is Lucas Oil Stabilizer? [Re: dabble] #2436224 11/16/11 12:08 PM
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i have used it in a few high mileage engines. it does its job...which is thicken the oil. people are funny! they wont step up the oil grade on a wore out engine but they will dump a bottle of lucas in!!!LOL
i would just save the money and by the proper grade oil for the application. if you have alot of miles you think about a HM oil like GTX HM or maxlife.

as far as damage... i have not seen any engine damage from using it and i used to work at an oil change shop where they put it in 50 or so cars a week. the moto was if it had 100k sell em some lucas for 12 bucks and up the ticket average. not saying its right but non blew up

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Originally Posted By: Colt45ws


That link should be a sticky. I won't use Lucas products, Everyone can use what they like but they should see that link first.


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When SeaFoam shot up from $3 to $9, I bought a 32oz bottle of Lucas Upper Cylinder Lubricant/fuel system treatment/fuel stabilizer/burns hot hot hot/highly refined pure Amazonian anaconda oil...etc... for $7


I don't really believe that it does 9/10ths of the stuff it says it does though.

All I really expect it to do is be an upper-cylinder lubricant. And maybe, maybe lubricate the fuel pump and injectors.

I only use it every few fill-ups. I still have a bit.

I won't use Lucas oil treatment. Or any other molasses thick "treatment" like STP, MotorHoney, MotorSnot...whatever. I would just as soon thicken my oil with corn-starch as use those products.


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Re: Just how dangerous is Lucas Oil Stabilizer? [Re: dabble] #2436655 11/16/11 06:33 PM
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When I sold cars we had a manager who was clueless and had no business taking trades. He took many trades that were garbage. The shop would often report back to us that he took in a POS for a trade. They added Lucas to oil burners, and knockers to quiet them down to make them wholesale ready. In fact a few retail gems got a treatment of LOS as well. For an oil burning, knocking pig it can help. In a good running engine I'd stay clear of it.

Thinking back I wouldn't be surprised if a customer or two tossed in some LOS to get their trade ready. LOL the knife cuts both ways! When a customer gets over on a dealer more power to him!


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Originally Posted By: demarpaint
When I sold cars we had a manager who was clueless and had no business taking trades. He took many trades that were garbage. The shop would often report back to us that he took in a POS for a trade. They added Lucas to oil burners, and knockers to quiet them down to make them wholesale ready. In fact a few retail gems got a treatment of LOS as well. For an oil burning, knocking pig it can help. In a good running engine I'd stay clear of it.

Thinking back I wouldn't be surprised if a customer or two tossed in some LOS to get their trade ready. LOL the knife cuts both ways! When a customer gets over on a dealer more power to him!

Ive also heard of a couple quarts of 85w140 to shutup a knocking motor for trade in.


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I know to many big trucks that have used the stuff religiously for a million miles to think it will actually hurt the engine (at 10% of sump capacity). It will slightly shorten the drain interval (dilutes additive levels) and bring the oil viscosity at 25,000 miles back to virgin level.

That said most people change oil early and their is no reason a 5-10% loss in viscosity is going to hurt the engine and Ive seen engines go a million miles without it as well.


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Re: Just how dangerous is Lucas Oil Stabilizer? [Re: Colt45ws] #2436986 11/17/11 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted By: demarpaint
When I sold cars we had a manager who was clueless and had no business taking trades. He took many trades that were garbage. The shop would often report back to us that he took in a POS for a trade. They added Lucas to oil burners, and knockers to quiet them down to make them wholesale ready. In fact a few retail gems got a treatment of LOS as well. For an oil burning, knocking pig it can help. In a good running engine I'd stay clear of it.

Thinking back I wouldn't be surprised if a customer or two tossed in some LOS to get their trade ready. LOL the knife cuts both ways! When a customer gets over on a dealer more power to him!

Ive also heard of a couple quarts of 85w140 to shutup a knocking motor for trade in.


True, but Lucas doesn't have that gear oil smell which can give using gear oil away sometimes. LOL


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If a few did not buy Lucas then there would not be that gear thing at the counter to amuse our kids (ha ha) when we take them into the auto parts stores with us. I don't think adults would actually fool with the gear thing however. Maybe once.


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The BIG rigs don;'t use the Lucas oil treatment. They use the FUEL treatment..


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Originally Posted By: hounddog
The BIG rigs don;'t use the Lucas oil treatment. They use the FUEL treatment..
They sell the oil treatment by the gallon at the truckstop.


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I was told several times over a few years by truckers it was the FUEL treatment by the gallon. Not oil.


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Originally Posted By: hounddog
I was told several times over a few years by truckers it was the FUEL treatment by the gallon. Not oil.


It's both I believe.


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I've seen the gallons of oil treratment being put into engines at the truckstop. Hardly any use the injector treatment. Theres a whole isle at the local Pilot with LOS.


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The Lucas stuff is mainly harmful to your wallet. There is no way any of us can home-brew better oil than the oil company chemists can mix up to meet a certain price point. If you want better oil, buy better oil.

That said, if you have a specific problem, a few specific products can address that problem. Kano Kreen and Marvel Mystery Oil, in separate ways, are somewhat effective in cleaning baked-in carbon from the piston ring grooves and allowing the rings to seal better. That might be a help for your oil consumption. Otherwise, use any good brand of oil of the viscosity recommended for your engine. Also, be sure your positive crankcase ventilation valve is clean and working properly; a gummed up one can also cause increased oil consumption.




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I was at keystone nationals and i saw one of the top top fuel dragsters pour lucas in a 8000+HP engine!!!I use it in my 215,000 mile jeep for years with rotella 15w40!!!

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I was at keystone nationals and i saw one of the top top fuel dragsters pour lucas in a 8000+HP engine!!!I use it in my 215,000 mile jeep for years with rotella 15w40!!!


Those engines are rebuilt every pass.


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Yes I watch them R&R then fire them up nitro burns the eyes like tear gas LOL

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Originally Posted By: bob4558
I was at keystone nationals and i saw one of the top top fuel dragsters pour lucas in a 8000+HP engine!!!I use it in my 215,000 mile jeep for years with rotella 15w40!!!


If lucas sponsored the car, they probably have to use it. I keep anything lucas as far away from my car as possible


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Yes I watch them R&R then fire them up nitro burns the eyes like tear gas LOL


We were behind an IHRA top fuel car at the Mopar Nationals a few years back and when the whole crowd moved because they were going to fire the car, my buddy didn't. He got a face full of Nitro. He was tasting the stuff for a week, smelling it for days, LMAO! We teased the heck out of him.


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LOL

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It was kenny Bernstein's Bud rail car not the lucas oil car!Maybe lucas is one of thier sponsers?

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LOL


Yeah, cooked up some steak and we'd all be like "mmmmm, delicious!" and he was "mmmm, Nitro!". He's a smoker, and his cigarette's tasted like Nitro, beer like Nitro.... everything was Nitro. After a few days he started to get really freaked out about it grin


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Was he peing Nitro, lol.


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Was he peing Nitro, lol.


Oh, I don't know, I'm sure he didn't either since he couldn't smell anything but Nitro, LOL


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Nito is a great fuel additive! Cleans injectors or carb and putts nice holes in your pistons !LOL

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Originally Posted By: hounddog
The BIG rigs don;'t use the Lucas oil treatment. They use the FUEL treatment..


Well, as one who has owned and driven "Big Rigs" for 30 years and am around other "big rig" drivers every week, I can attest that there are a lot of semi drivers out here that use LOS in their trucks. Heck, some truck lube places have more LOS on the shelf in the driver waiting area than they do any other product.

Whether it is good or bad, I have no idea. I don't and never have used the stuff in my trucks.


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Curious where that link continues:

http://web.archive.org/web/20100926133335/http://theoildrop.server101.com/cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=5&t=000207

Obviously, the server101.com server no longer exists......but weren't all the old threads/forums "merged" to the now/current forum(s)?

Where's the talk of it wink Other than this thread wink

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We have had 2 servers since server 101 and some of the older post were lost as a result of the moves.

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Originally Posted By: Big_Kat
I used it one in my old Dakota with a 318. After about 800 into the OCI the engine developed a loud whine turns out it increased the viscosity of the oil and was causing oil starvation of the cam. I no longer have that pick up now... crush cry


I can relate that i had something similar occur. The engine develops a "whine" sounds like it is coming from the top end, blend in Lucas you roil is the viscosity of almost a 60 depending on what was in there and people tend to put it in thick oils, like 40 or 50 weight, Lucas is Straight 80... ... what you dont know id that the engine is running hotter than comfortable and yeah its oil starvation. The oil can drain the same color all that good stuff, comes out thick when hot thats how thick it is.. and you begin to lose the engine.

This of course is in an extreme case and sometimes i put a half a quart in an engine fill (not sure why, something about Lucas "bakes on" and seals leaks?) and some people put more like 2 QUARTS of that stuff in a fill.

At $9.99 a quart and $10.99 a quart its Group I but its usefulness is "questionable." Apparently a lot of engines can tolerate it, though..

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I use LOS in all of my vehicles. I can tell when it's not in the oil, and I can tell when I've added it. Usually half a quart of the petroleum-based does the trick.

My cars run stronger with LOS. Quicker acceleration, better bottom-end torque, ......this is all based upon just driving the cars.

I've never had a problem with LOS, nor have I ever known anyone personally that's had a problem with LOS.

I've tried LOADS of oil additives over the last twenty-four years, and I always go back to LOS.

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Originally Posted By: Hethaerto
I use LOS in all of my vehicles. I can tell when it's not in the oil, and I can tell when I've added it. Usually half a quart of the petroleum-based does the trick.

My cars run stronger with LOS. Quicker acceleration, better bottom-end torque, ......this is all based upon just driving the cars.

I've never had a problem with LOS, nor have I ever known anyone personally that's had a problem with LOS.

I've tried LOADS of oil additives over the last twenty-four years, and I always go back to LOS.


I really have to ask. How does thicker oil do all of these things. Lucas oil stabilizer has no additives and is super thick. Adding this diluted a perfectly good additive package already in the oil and thickens it. Why not save a few bucks and just go up a grade in oil thickness. Then you don't dilute the additive package of the oil. This reminds me of guys who blend different oils thinking they are getting the best of both worlds when in reality they are weakening the additive packages.
Try gear oil. It's cheaper. Or a straight 90w


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If someone can explain to me why soap bubbles come out of it when its poured, i will reconsider LOS.

Otherwise, ive been virtually talked out of it at $10 a quart for straight-80wt oil of LOS and it isnt even oil. Ive heard its "soap" in liquid form.. hence the bubbles.

I can understand it "sticks" but beyond that and in all but the oldest, thick-oil-loving vehicles (that stuff will make your oil almost a 60-weight! HEAVY! It is for worn engines..) .. if thick oil can help worn engines but other than that if someone can explain to me what it IS beyond a no-additive Group I thickener.. and perhaps has something for parts to coat over on startup like Mos2 would do.. which also sticks and coats.. and isnt soap.. and isnt thick.. thanks.

Also heard Lucas clogs oil pumps, it is so thick. All but the most heavy duty ones like on trucks and things like that.

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Originally Posted By: Clevy
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I use LOS in all of my vehicles. I can tell when it's not in the oil, and I can tell when I've added it. Usually half a quart of the petroleum-based does the trick.

My cars run stronger with LOS. Quicker acceleration, better bottom-end torque, ......this is all based upon just driving the cars.

I've never had a problem with LOS, nor have I ever known anyone personally that's had a problem with LOS.

I've tried LOADS of oil additives over the last twenty-four years, and I always go back to LOS.


I really have to ask. How does thicker oil do all of these things. Lucas oil stabilizer has no additives and is super thick. Adding this diluted a perfectly good additive package already in the oil and thickens it. Why not save a few bucks and just go up a grade in oil thickness. Then you don't dilute the additive package of the oil. This reminds me of guys who blend different oils thinking they are getting the best of both worlds when in reality they are weakening the additive packages.
Try gear oil. It's cheaper. Or a straight 90w


I have no idea why it does it what it does, I just know I like the effect with a half a quart in the sump.

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^Why not just run 1 grade higher and not dillute your additives with a simple oil thickener? It's actually better to not use the 'blank' standard LOS. Not sure if their 'synthetic' oil stabilizer has any additives in it, but either is way overpriced for simply being a way to thicken up a thinner oil. Just up your grade to a thicker oil and drop the LOS.


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^Why not just run 1 grade higher and not dillute your additives with a simple oil thickener? It's actually better to not use the 'blank' standard LOS. Not sure if their 'synthetic' oil stabilizer has any additives in it, but either is way overpriced for simply being a way to thicken up a thinner oil. Just up your grade to a thicker oil and drop the LOS.


You guys say that adding half a qt of LOS dilutes the oil's aditives, but what about dudes that replace a quart of oil with MMO?

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^Why not just run 1 grade higher and not dillute your additives with a simple oil thickener? It's actually better to not use the 'blank' standard LOS. Not sure if their 'synthetic' oil stabilizer has any additives in it, but either is way overpriced for simply being a way to thicken up a thinner oil. Just up your grade to a thicker oil and drop the LOS.


You guys say that adding half a qt of LOS dilutes the oil's aditives, but what about dudes that replace a quart of oil with MMO?


It does the same thing, just the other direction. It makes the oil thinner and displaces those additives and base oil with solvents.


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^Why not just run 1 grade higher and not dillute your additives with a simple oil thickener? It's actually better to not use the 'blank' standard LOS. Not sure if their 'synthetic' oil stabilizer has any additives in it, but either is way overpriced for simply being a way to thicken up a thinner oil. Just up your grade to a thicker oil and drop the LOS.


You guys say that adding half a qt of LOS dilutes the oil's aditives, but what about dudes that replace a quart of oil with MMO?


It does the same thing, just the other direction. It makes the oil thinner and displaces those additives and base oil with solvents.


Lucas isnt solvents though, its Group I snot.

Aside from the soap and straight-80wt enigma, i honestly think it "sticks" to the insides of the engine and "plugs" problem areas (good holes and bad) and i wonder if LOS engines "run hotter," so, maybe it does do something shrug

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^Why not just run 1 grade higher and not dillute your additives with a simple oil thickener? It's actually better to not use the 'blank' standard LOS. Not sure if their 'synthetic' oil stabilizer has any additives in it, but either is way overpriced for simply being a way to thicken up a thinner oil. Just up your grade to a thicker oil and drop the LOS.


You guys say that adding half a qt of LOS dilutes the oil's aditives, but what about dudes that replace a quart of oil with MMO?


It does the same thing, just the other direction. It makes the oil thinner and displaces those additives and base oil with solvents.


Lucas isnt solvents though, its Group I snot.

Aside from the soap and straight-80wt enigma, i honestly think it "sticks" to the insides of the engine and "plugs" problem areas (good holes and bad) and i wonder if LOS engines "run hotter," so, maybe it does do something shrug


No, I'm saying MMO's effect on the oil is the opposite of LOS.


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Doesn't mmo have phosphorus in it. Isn't that an anti-wear agent. It may thin the oil some however it does have some additives to replace what it's thinning.
I'm sure I'm wrong though. Will wait on the peanut gallery experts to correct me


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Doesn't mmo have phosphorus in it. Isn't that an anti-wear agent. It may thin the oil some however it does have some additives to replace what it's thinning.
I'm sure I'm wrong though. Will wait on the peanut gallery experts to correct me


No, you are quite right, it does have some phosphorous, but not much else.



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The 'other' difference is use of MMO compared to LOS.

The former is temporary/for a specific purpose(winter use only or during an oil change or two/perhaps few hundred-1k miles prior to change for cleaning benefits).

The latter is a waste of overpaid oil thickener.

The only time I'd use it: Engine was on it's last leg and the car would make better compression with a thicker oil but nearly broke down/away from home just thicken up the oil to drive it safely home = Lucas Oil Stabilizer.

I'd be interested to see what a VOA of their 'synthetic' version has in it.


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I've worked in the lubrication industry for 8 years now. I too would like to know if Lucas will hurt a newer engine. Some things I know for a fact about Lucas is it will slow oil burning in an old diesel big truck. It will quite a loud power steering pump and slow leaks. Also in industrial gear boxes that are over heating, Lucas will reduce operating temps. No other oil add I've seen will lower the temps. Not sure how it works, but does on the gear box

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Its magic....has to be Doc, since the VOA basically shows its just thick as heck Brightstock with not much of anything in it.


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I'm not promoting it as I don't use it myself. I'm chicken. But I have seen this stuff lower the temps in industrial gear boxes. STP and all the other thick "honey" oils will not. So it has something in it that will reduce heat. That is a fact.

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Originally Posted By: Clevy
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I use LOS in all of my vehicles. I can tell when it's not in the oil, and I can tell when I've added it. Usually half a quart of the petroleum-based does the trick.

My cars run stronger with LOS. Quicker acceleration, better bottom-end torque, ......this is all based upon just driving the cars.

I've never had a problem with LOS, nor have I ever known anyone personally that's had a problem with LOS.

I've tried LOADS of oil additives over the last twenty-four years, and I always go back to LOS.


I really have to ask. How does thicker oil do all of these things. Lucas oil stabilizer has no additives and is super thick. Adding this diluted a perfectly good additive package already in the oil and thickens it. Why not save a few bucks and just go up a grade in oil thickness. Then you don't dilute the additive package of the oil. This reminds me of guys who blend different oils thinking they are getting the best of both worlds when in reality they are weakening the additive packages.
Try gear oil. It's cheaper. Or a straight 90w

Ok as a lubricant salesman for years, I've sold a lot of this stuff. I'd never put it in an engine that has no problems. But I've seen it keep a "wore"out engine alive. Big rigs that burned a gallon a week went down to 1/2 a gallon a month. Also there is something more than just "think" oil here. That is proven in industrial gear oils. I've watched as customers have had problems with over heating gear boxes. They switched to full synthetic oils to no help. Then put Lucas HD Oil Stab and and watch the temp go down. This is fact proven by before and after temps. No more over heating.

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I use LOS in all of my vehicles. I can tell when it's not in the oil, and I can tell when I've added it. Usually half a quart of the petroleum-based does the trick.

My cars run stronger with LOS. Quicker acceleration, better bottom-end torque, ......this is all based upon just driving the cars.

I've never had a problem with LOS, nor have I ever known anyone personally that's had a problem with LOS.

I've tried LOADS of oil additives over the last twenty-four years, and I always go back to LOS.


I really have to ask. How does thicker oil do all of these things. Lucas oil stabilizer has no additives and is super thick. Adding this diluted a perfectly good additive package already in the oil and thickens it. Why not save a few bucks and just go up a grade in oil thickness. Then you don't dilute the additive package of the oil. This reminds me of guys who blend different oils thinking they are getting the best of both worlds when in reality they are weakening the additive packages.
Try gear oil. It's cheaper. Or a straight 90w

Ok as a lubricant salesman for years, I've sold a lot of this stuff. I'd never put it in an engine that has no problems. But I've seen it keep a "wore"out engine alive. Big rigs that burned a gallon a week went down to 1/2 a gallon a month. Also there is something more than just "think" oil here. That is proven in industrial gear oils. I've watched as customers have had problems with over heating gear boxes. They switched to full synthetic oils to no help. Then put Lucas HD Oil Stab and and watch the temp go down. This is fact proven by before and after temps. No more over heating.


Like I've said before, in the same gear boxes the customer tried (buying from me) Mystik (Cid V ?-think oil), STP Oil Treat. and Motor Honey. None of those worked. I watched a show on Lucas once and they wouldn't disclose what the "secret" is but there is something there to take "out" heat. They said it was something simple....I just know from experience it works. Doesn't matter if you like it or not. Also we need some tests done with engines. Not some lab test as there is no sub. for real world conditions. As I said before I don't/won't use it unless my engine was about dead but there is something to it

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I would try Lucas if my engine was ready to explode.

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their is no danger, their is million peoples on the road still using lucas ( god please give them the light ) and I never heard any one on internet say their engine is damage cause by using lucas.


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For some reason all Autozones and the like recommend it...from Chicago to Miami

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I did use Lucas once. Had an chevy 350 that spun a bearing about 200 miles from house. Towing 24' T.T. at the time. Drained oil put two bottles in and topped it off with Castrol 20/50. It thumped like a disco all the way home. Have not used the product since then. I must say though if ya got a motor about to explode this might hold it together for a minute.

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Again, you have to ask yourself, what does it or what is it supposed to stabilize in a fully formulated oil?


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I know of quite a few people using the stuff hoping it will help with oil consumption. Most have shown no sign of any change whatsoever. A Taurus with a pushrod 3.0 L developed a pile of leaks after starting the Lucas diet, but I'm inclined to call that coincidence. The 4.0L Jeep seemed to leak from it's inexpensive and easy to replace valve cover gasket more slowly than it did with just oil. The Lucas stuff helped, and you can't pour a valve cover gasket in as easily. The three Nissans with 2.5L engine all started getting lots of sparkly glittery stuff in the oil with no other noticable changes. I think the additive stabilized the chi in the motor and allows it to take magic sparkly material form. Magic sparkles are good, right?

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Lucas is a fix for a problem no good mechanic should have.


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Lucas is a fix for a problem no good mechanic should have.


On the flip side:I haven't seen a lot of good mechanics yet (lol! many of them still resort to using useless OTC oil thickeners such as lucars, AshTeePea Red/blue, etc.)

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I still have a bunch of LOS (synthetic) from my pre-BITOG days. I've never used it in any engine or gearbox (got smart since I joined BITOG within a week or so of purchasing it!), but it seems to work great as a crosscut shredder oil. I donate it to the office I work in, and we shred a LOT of paper since I work in the public sector.

I also use it on my garage door and bicycle chains. Seems to work well for that purpose, too.


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so the 233,500 or so miles I have on a jeep cherokee is not attributed to somewhat adding Lucas along with the HM oil I use?

So I should just stick with the Vavoline Maxlife but not the lucas?

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I was at keystone nationals and i saw one of the top top fuel dragsters pour lucas in a 8000+HP engine!!!I use it in my 215,000 mile jeep for years with rotella 15w40!!!


See!!!! Jeeps must love LUCAS....

Must be something with whimpy little rigs that haters come out of the woodworks to poor mouth the stuff!

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Originally Posted by electrolover
if you have alot of miles you think about a HM oil like GTX HM (or) Valvoline Max-Life Full-Synthetic.


I Second electrolover;
Oil's Today are Made so Well;
They Don't Need Stabilizers.
*Hint *Hint; If you change your Oil
Has Often has you should your Oil
WILL Be Stable!

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The beauty of most snake oil is that they don't do anything ..

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Exactly, Lucas uses the slogan that "Oil Alone is not Enough" yet millions of vehicles have done just fine without Lucas oil. They refer to it as an "Oil stabilizer" and I have never seen any oil that needed to be "stabilized".Nothing unstable about oil being oil. Just Another expensive "unicorn oil" or snake oil" take your pick, product. Have owned several vehicles that have went well past the 200K mark "without Lucas or STP or Slick 50 or whatever, change the oil about every 5-6K and that is with regular oil not synthetics.Oil does not need to be stabilized. On a positive note ,the Lucas oil spinner toy is kind of interesting to give a spin very now and then while waiting for some parts.


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Originally Posted by electrolover
if you have alot of miles you think about a HM oil like GTX HM (or) Valvoline Max-Life Full-Synthetic.


I Second electrolover;
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Dude, you just revived a six year old thread crzy

And there's nothing to "stabilize", and adding heavy Group I brightstock with some tackifier (a la chainsaw bar oil) certainly isn't going to improve anything. This stuff should be called "oil defiler".


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If an additive "adds" stuff to oil, Lucas is a "subtractive"...dilutes everything that the oil manufacturer intentionally added.


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With winter moving in quickly its easy to tell whom might have Lucas in their engines as they are always moaning to start. I think if someone need a thickening additive Liquimoly Motor Oil Saver or Schaeffers 132 would be all that I could consider.


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If an additive "adds" stuff to oil, Lucas is a "subtractive"...dilutes everything that the oil manufacturer intentionally added.


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Some people just have to "ADD" something to their oil because they think the chemists, tribologists, and formulators just "HAD" to leave something out of the finished lubricant.

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Lucas is great for one thing, stopping small engines from burning oil. But any such thickener will work. Lucas, Motor Honey, Bardahl No Smoke etc.

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A friend asked me recently what Lucas Oil Stabilizer is good for. I told him it does two things very well...

1. Thickens your oil
2. Separates you from your money

It's just a cheap group I solvent refined bright stock that probably didn't cost them $1, and they're selling it to you for $8.99.


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I did a write-up about Lucas Oil Stabilizer for R&R Club members: Lucas Oil Stabilizer

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