Why does ford use .5w30 in the 4.0 ??

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I disagree, Coolant temps are the same year round but oil temp is very different. My oil is 30 degrees cooler in the winter, that drops the oil down two full grades. That means a 20W in winter is the same viscosity for me as a 40W in summer.

This will help you understand:

http://www.machinerylubrication.com/Read/518/motor-oils

Temperature has a big effect on viscosity and film thickness. As a point of reference, one SAE grade increase in viscosity is necessary to overcome the influence of a 20°F increase in engine temperature. At a given reference point, there is approximately a 20°F. difference between viscosity grades SAE 30, 40 and 50. SAE 20 is somewhat closer to 30 than the other jumps, because SAE 30 must be 30°F higher than SAE 20 to be roughly the equivalent viscosity.

In other words, an SAE 20 at 190°F is about the same kinematic viscosity as an SAE 30 at 220°F, which is about the same viscosity as an SAE 40 at 240°F. This approximation works well in the 190°F to 260°F temperature range. One might be surprised at the slight amount of difference between straight viscosity vs. multiviscosity oils with the same back number (for example, SAE 30, SAE 5W-30, and SAE 10W-30).

you can even plot the viscosity here for oil grades at different temps.:

http://www.widman.biz/English/Calculators/Graph.html

I have done it, and the 5W20 will be thicker in winter than a 10W30 in summer.
 
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Since Ford hasn't backspecced it to 5W-30, I'm sure there is a very good reason for it. It's not like my GM car, when pretty much every GM specs 5W-30, so going down to a 5W-20 probably isn't a big deal.
 
Originally Posted By: Nickdfresh
Does anyone know of or have a list of what Ford has back-spec'd to 5W-20? and what engines they'd rather have you use 5W-30 in?


TSB 01-4-7

ISSUE:

Engine oil recommended for use in 2001 vehicles is SAE 5W-20 motor oil.
This oil has an improved formulation to improve fuel economy. This oil
can also be used to service some previous model year vehicles.

ACTION:

Use SAE 5W-20 engine oil at recommended oil change intervals for 2001
vehicles, with the exception of the following vehicles listed in the
"Exception 2001 Vehicles" chart.

All 2001 vehicles other than those listed in the "Exception 2001
Vehicles" chart are being filled with SAE 5W-20 motor oil at the factory
and should also be serviced with SAE 5W-20 oil.

Vehicle Application Listing Approved For SAE 5W-20 Motor Oil:

1995-2000 2.5L Contour/Mystique
1999-2001 2.5L Cougar 1996-2001 3.0L 4V Taurus/Sable
1999-2001 3.0L (Vulcan) Ranger (Flexible Fuel and Gas), Windstar,
Taurus/Sable (Flexible Fuel and Gas)
1996-1997 3.8L Thunderbird/Cougar
1996-2001 3.8L Mustang and 3.8L SPI Windstar
1997-2001 4.2L (SPI) F-150 (under 8500 GVW only), Econoline
1996-2001 4.6L 2V Mustang
1992-2001 4.6L Crown Victoria/Grand Marquis
1991-2001 4.6L Town Car
1994-1997 4.6L 2V Thunderbird/Cougar
1996-2001 4.6L 4V Mustang Cobra
1995-2001 4.6L Continental
1993-1998 4.6L 4V Mark VIII
1998-2001 5.4L 2V/4V Navigator
1997-2001 4.6L 2V Triton F-150/250 (under 8500 GVW only), Econoline,
Expedition
1997-2001 5.4L 2V F-150/250 (under 8500 GVW only), Expedition,
E-150/250/350, E-350 Chassis/RV/Cutaway
1997-2001 6.8L E-250/350, E-350 Chassis/RV/Cutaway
1999-2001 6.8L Super Duty F-Series 250 HD/350/450/550 Motorhome
2001 2.0L Zetec/2.0L SPI Focus
2001 2.0L Zetec/3.0L Escape
2001 2.0L SPI Escort
2000-2001 5.4L/6.8L Excursion
2000-2001 3.0L Lincoln LS
2001 2.0L Zetec Escort ZX2

NOTE: THE "EXCEPTION 2001 VEHICLES" SHOULD BE SERVICED WITH SAE 5W-30
MOTOR OIL.

Exception 2001 Vehicles:

Engine Vehicle
2.5L Ranger
3.3L Villager
3.9L Lincoln LS
4.0L Ranger, Explorer/Mountaineer, Explorer Sport, and Explorer Sport
Trac
5.0L Explorer/Mountaineer

NOTE: IF VEHICLE IS NOT LISTED IN THIS APPLICATION, SAE 5W-30 OIL IS
RECOMMENDED. REFER TO TSB 99-8-16.

The following Q $ A's were originally posted to the Mustang newsgroup
months ago -

QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS REGARDING MOTOR OIL .... [ info on ATF deleted ]

Q. Why did Motorcraft release SAE 5W-20 motor oil?

A. It was the right thing to do for the consumer and for the
environment. It was one of Ford's first steps in improving the fuel
economy of our SUVs by 25% by the 2005 calendar year. SAE 5W-20 improves
fuel consumption by approximately 0.6 percent. For the 2001 fleet, this
amounts to reducing fuel usage by more than 21 million gallons per year.
This reduction in gasoline consumption leads to a reduction in carbon
dioxide emissions by 190,000 metric tons per year, which is equivalent
to taking nearly 23,100 cars and trucks off the road each year.

Q. Is there really a difference in quality between 5W-20 and 5W-30?

A. It is important to separate the differences in viscosity grade, and
also the differences in the performance standards set by the
International Lubricant Standardization and Approval Committee (ILSAC)
and the accompanying American Petroleum Institute (API) performance
categories to answer this question.

First, SAE 5W-20 oils are slightly less viscous at operating temperature
than SAE 5W-30 oils. This reduction in viscous drag contributes to
reduced friction in the engine and thus improved fuel economy for an SAE
5W-20.

Second, there are differences between the present ILSAC GF-2 standard
(GF stands for gasoline fueled) and the soon to be commercialized GF-3
standard. The performance of a GF-3 oil will be significantly improved
over a GF-2 oil. When Motorcraft released it's SAE 5W-20 formulation we
wanted it to perform at the GF-3 level; but the GF-3 spec had not been
finalized, so we 'guesstimated' what GF-3 would look like. In so doing
we doubled the length of the standard dynamometer Sequence IIIE test
(which duplicates high temperature trailer towing) which increases wear
protection and reduces oil thickening. While GF-3 also improves on the
standard GF-2 Sequence IIIE test, it went nowhere near as far as Ford
did. This provides Motorcraft SAE 5W-20 with a significant increase over
'standard' GF-3 oils, which most SAE 5W-30 oils will meet.

Taking all this into account, the Motorcraft SAE 5W-20 will be a
significant improvement over most SAE 5W-30 oils.

Q. Does the difference in price between Motorcraft SAE 5W-20 and SAE
5W-30 really reflect a better oil?

A. Yes. The better base oils, and increased additives such as friction
modifiers and anti-oxidants used to formulate for the performance levels
in the SAE 5W-20 do cost more, but reflect the significant increase in
performance.

Q. What Ford and Lincoln/Mercury vehicles use SAE 5W-20 oil?

A. Approximately 80% of 2001 models should be serviced with SAE 5W-20
oils. By 2003 model year all Ford and Lincoln Mercury vehicles will be
filled with SAE 5W-20 at the factory. But there are a significant number
of older vehicles, some as old as 1991 models where Ford now recommends
servicing with SAE 5W-20. Refer to the chart listed in Technical Service
Bulletin Article No. 01-4-7 for details of which older models should use
SAE 5W-20 and for the 2001 'exception' models which should continue to
use SAE 5W-30.

Q. What happens if someone uses SAE 5W-20 in older vehicles?

A. As stated before some older vehicles have been approved for SAE
5W-20. However, there are many older vehicles not covered by TSB 01-4-7,
and Ford is presently testing these to determine whether durability and
performance would be compromised if SAE 5W-20 was used. Until this
testing is successfully completed (and a TSB is published to this
effect), it is not recommended using SAE 5W-20 in an older model unless
specifically mentioned in TSB 01-4-7.

Q. Is Motorcraft the only brand for SAE 5W-20 motor oil?

A. No. Although SAE 5W-20 is not yet a popular viscosity grade, major
marketers including Pennzoil, Quaker State, Valvoline, Exxon and others
have either already begun marketing an SAE 5W-20 or have plans to do so.
Customers should find this viscosity grade increasingly available in
coming months, including at some retail outlets.

Q. Will SAE 5W-20 provide longer oil change intervals?

A. At the present time Ford recommends no change to the existing drain
interval for SAE 5W-20. However, Ford is investigating allowing longer
drain intervals since the performance level of Motorcraft SAE 5W-20 is
significantly better than today's GF-2 oils.

Q. Why does Wal-Mart have Motorcraft SAE 5W-20 so much cheaper than
dealers can now buy it?

A. Oil and Filter change is the number one Do-It-Yourself repair. Many
Ford Motor Company customers are avid Do-It-Yourselfers. Some may
purchase required products from our franchised dealerships, however,
most prefer to purchase products available at mass merchandisers. If our
product is not available they will buy other brands available at these
retailers. Ford Motor Company has an obligation to the EPA to ensure all
of our customers have access to this new oil and Wal-Mart is one of
several retailers carrying Motorcraft products. Wal-Mart bought several
truckloads of Motorcraft SAE 5W-20 at the original introductory price.
These original quantities are still available at Wal-Mart. As Wal-Mart
re-orders Motorcraft SAE 5W-20 in the future they will purchase it at
the increased price.
 
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Originally Posted By: Bluestream
I disagree, Coolant temps are the same year round but oil temp is very different. My oil is 30 degrees cooler in the winter, that drops the oil down two full grades. That means a 20W in winter is the same viscosity for me as a 40W in summer.

This will help you understand:

http://www.machinerylubrication.com/Read/518/motor-oils

Temperature has a big effect on viscosity and film thickness. As a point of reference, one SAE grade increase in viscosity is necessary to overcome the influence of a 20°F increase in engine temperature. At a given reference point, there is approximately a 20°F. difference between viscosity grades SAE 30, 40 and 50. SAE 20 is somewhat closer to 30 than the other jumps, because SAE 30 must be 30°F higher than SAE 20 to be roughly the equivalent viscosity.

In other words, an SAE 20 at 190°F is about the same kinematic viscosity as an SAE 30 at 220°F, which is about the same viscosity as an SAE 40 at 240°F. This approximation works well in the 190°F to 260°F temperature range. One might be surprised at the slight amount of difference between straight viscosity vs. multiviscosity oils with the same back number (for example, SAE 30, SAE 5W-30, and SAE 10W-30).

you can even plot the viscosity here for oil grades at different temps.:

http://www.widman.biz/English/Calculators/Graph.html

I have done it, and the 5W20 will be thicker in winter than a 10W30 in summer.



Im very well aware how oil viscosities react to temp and have studied the equations that makes widman work. Im curious however that your oil temp dont come up to full temp during the winter. I would expect the temp curve slope to be less as the outside temp decreases with it eventually reaching full temp with about 30 mins or so. I have seem oil temp data from people that showed this. So your explorer never gets up to full oil temp? At what outside temp does your oil not come up very close operating temp?
 
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Originally Posted By: jstutz

Im very well aware how oil viscosities react to temp and have studied the equations that makes widman work. Im curious however that your oil temp dont come up to full temp during the winter. I would expect the temp curve slope to be less as the outside temp decreases with it eventually reaching full temp with about 30 mins or so. I have seem oil temp data from people that showed this. So your explorer never gets up to full oil temp? At what outside temp does your oil not come up very close operating temp?


Outside temps are from -10F to 32F and oil runs min 30F less than summer oil temps.

AS you know oil does 40% of the cooling in an engine. When you have cold air flowing over the block, heads and oil pan as you do in the winter, that cold air is going to radiate a lot of the heat out of that engine. Therefore the oil is going to be cooler. When you but your hood up in the winter, you don't feel the massive amount of heat comming off the engine that you fell when you open the hood in the summer. It's physics as work, and a fact of life when living in a nothern climate.

Read this entinre thread. BuickGN has the same oil temp drop in winter in California:

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1570468&page=1
 
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Thats very interesting. It looks like there is some difference between different vehicles. I have seen oil track very close to the same operating temps regardless of outside temps. I have also read some posts claiming that oil temp is difficult to calculate because it is not linear with temp and outside temp is certainly a variable. Now your oil temps are min 30 deg cooler in the winter. It must vary a lot depending on the vehicle in question. If your certain that oil temp is that much cooler, i see no issue with the 20 weight. Does the load that you place on your engine affect your oil temp, assume it is 0F outside and your towing heavy or something, does the oil temp creep up?
 
I have never towed anything in really cold weather so I cant say.

I can say I made a trip many years ago in -30f weather, in a Dodge van and I had the rad 100% blocked by cardboard, and all engine cooling was just the block (slant 6 engine) being cooled by the air flowing over it. I was still not getting much heat from the heater even with the rad blocked. I stopped and put up the hood and put my hand on the valve cover and it was luke-warm at the very best. I didn't have an oil temp gauge, by I doubt the oil got to 100f. Don't under estimate the amount of cooling done by radiation alone in cold weather.
 
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