You know you are in the ghetto when...

[andrewg]

Originally Posted By: MinamiKotaro
I took the long, long way home from work today and drove through some parts of Knoxville I haven't been through since the 90s, at least. I can't say it was the "ghetto", but I did see a lot of Mexicans wearing red bandanas. And I saw a bum take a swig of booze, puke on the sidewalk, and then take another swig.

Lol...I must be seriously lacking in character because I can't stop laughing.

 

[friendly_jacek]

There are different ghettos all right. I felt safer in a ghetto in Vancouver than in a typical US city downtown.

 

[andrewg]

Originally Posted By: friendly_jacek
There are different ghettos all right. I felt safer in a ghetto in Vancouver than in a typical US city downtown.

Not directly related to your point but I did something interesting the other day. I had heard that places like Norway have very little litter on the streets and cities are clean and well taken care of. I thought I'd google a street view of various Norwegian cities and compare them to American cities. I was astounded and kind of ashamed. I had a very tough time finding dumpy or ghetto looking parts of say Oslo. No litter on the streets at all (at least after ten minutes of moving around on the street views) Same for other cities in Norway. Even Sweden was similar. No comparison to my own American cities. Sad really. I even thought that Vancouver, Canada was much cleaner than my nearest big city...Seattle. My point? Well, none really. Just that it amazes me how clean some cultures are compared to my own.

 

[CourierDriver]

The ghetto is a never ending story. No family unity, no responsible parenting, but plenty of baby making going on, read some stats......here u go, its on the web,,,,,,,,,,http://www.dol.gov/_sec/media/reports/blacklaborforce/

 

[jeepman3071]

Originally Posted By: hattaresguy

People on the government dole here have it good. Their little EBT card that I pay for has more loaded on it than someone in a third world slum can hope to ever have.


I'm a college student but work full-time during the summer. My friend is on unemployment living at home with mommy and daddy. He makes more money per week sitting at home doing nothing than I do busting my [censored] at work. THAT my friends, is the problem with our government. Why would people want to go find jobs when they are in this kind of scenario?

 

[OriginHacker21]

Why work when us folks who work are happy to give it to those who don't?

I married my wife from Peru and had to hire lawyers to help me with a 2 year long Fiance Visa process. After we got married in the USA I took her to the Social Security office to get her an SSN number so she could get a job, go to college (which she is now). It was an eye opener. Everyone had a [censored] ton of kids. Everyone had iPhones. Everyone had nice shoes. But they all were demanding more $ at the windows. Actually had a middle aged woman sitting at the window loudly screaming: "How do you expect me to live on just this? GIVE ME MY MONEY" as she set down her iPhone, expensive purse, nice clothes, and well done hair.

I got some real nasty looks for being the only white guy in that office. Very uncomfortable.

 

[PandaBear]

Slightly off topic.

The problem I have is they pay a lot to people who have kids, instead of a limit of say 4 kids max ever in your lifetime. This cause a lot of people to just keep having kids so they can leech off the system. Because when your kids turn 18 you don't get money anymore so you either have to go work or have another kid to sustain the income again.

I'd rather see a mandate of going to school and finish their grade level as part of the parents' and children's welfare requirement, instead of just sitting at home. A mandate to stay in class and after school tutoring program or things that provide good influence, eat 3 meals a day in school, instead of going back home to a drunk parent with 7 other kids. This would significantly reduce the drop out rate and show them a path outside of welfare with good influence. It doesn't have to be good grades, but at least need full attendance and turn in all their homework and pass the classes.

But we just give the parents money to buy off the religious people that do not believe in government encouraged birth control, or people that hate government infrastructure (and would prefer bad parenting instead).

That IMO is the problem we have in the US welfare system.

 

[andrewg]

Why not just end welfare (as it is currently) entirely? Why should those that work and produce, be forced (through a portion of their taxes going to such welfare) to provide for those that don't? I don't care what others say, there is no justifiable reason why we should pay others to do nothing but leach off of those that produce. As always in life, there are extreme exceptions (which I grasp), but as a whole....it's an unfair system (welfare) to working families and individuals. I would be willing to bet that if welfare (as we know it) is eliminated, birth rates among leaches would greatly decline. Will this ever happen? No. And so the downward spiral of what was once a great nation, continues.

 

[PandaBear]

Originally Posted By: andrewg
Why not just end welfare (as it is currently) entirely? Why should those that work and produce, be forced (through a portion of their taxes going to such welfare) to provide for those that don't? I don't care what others say, there is no justifiable reason why we should pay others to do nothing but leach off of those that produce. As always in life, there are extreme exceptions (which I grasp), but as a whole....it's an unfair system (welfare) to working families and individuals. I would be willing to bet that if welfare (as we know it) is eliminated, birth rates among leaches would greatly decline. Will this ever happen? No. And so the downward spiral of what was once a great nation, continues.


It is hard to say, I think adult without children don't get much to begin with (I know a few leechs that don't work suddenly started working when their children turned 18). I think the point is even though the parents are bad, they don't want to have the kids grow up malnutrition, in poor health, and end up costing the society more in disability or uneducated causing trouble.

I think it also has to do with how long they stay in it, people fall down once in a while due to bad luck (i.e. factorys shut down in a town), so in theory a temporary help is not a bad thing.

But just giving them money and not having some mandatory requirement (i.e. stay in and finish school) while they are there, and no limit on how many children and for how many years, is beyond me.

 

[eljefino]

They have 2-5 year "lifetime" limits on welfare but apprantly the huge loophole of "unless you have kids" doesn't make the news.

I'm still a "town farm" proponent... live in dorms with no facebook, 8 hours a day of manual labor to the best of your ability, large cafeterias where you have to smell each others' B.O., etc.

People too disabled to walk far can still sit down and work the daycare with screaming kids.

If the parents are cloistered in dorms without visitors allowed, they won't get pregnant again, and the cycle will end.

 

[SwampSurvivor]

Originally Posted By: jeepman3071
Originally Posted By: hattaresguy

People on the government dole here have it good. Their little EBT card that I pay for has more loaded on it than someone in a third world slum can hope to ever have.


I'm a college student but work full-time during the summer. My friend is on unemployment living at home with mommy and daddy. He makes more money per week sitting at home doing nothing than I do busting my [censored] at work. THAT my friends, is the problem with our government. Why would people want to go find jobs when they are in this kind of scenario?


I ended up on unemployment once. It drove me up the @#$@ wall sitting at home not working every day. My (retired) father and I got to bond and spend a lot of time together ... that wart was well worth it.

However, I was pulliing in $275 a week (after taxes) with unemployment. Best I could find was 25 hours a week at a Target store 20 miles away. 25 hours a week at $9 is 225 a week, ends up below $200 after taxes. Then $8 to go back and fourth a week (gas in cherokee) ... it wouldn't pay to work at that point.

 

[123Saab]

Originally Posted By: eljefino
They have 2-5 year "lifetime" limits on welfare but apprantly the huge loophole of "unless you have kids" doesn't make the news.

I'm still a "town farm" proponent... live in dorms with no facebook, 8 hours a day of manual labor to the best of your ability, large cafeterias where you have to smell each others' B.O., etc.

People too disabled to walk far can still sit down and work the daycare with screaming kids.

If the parents are cloistered in dorms without visitors allowed, they won't get pregnant again, and the cycle will end.


Hitler had the same Idea, Just took it a little further.

 

[antiqueshell]

If you have children you CANNOT afford to provide for you should be sterilized by the state. This doesn't include folks that work and lose a steady job, or have a catastrophic illness this is about lifetime, generational welfare recipients.

If you act like a feral dog or cat, society must treat you like the animal you are.

 

[Clevy]

Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
If you have children you CANNOT afford to provide for you should be sterilized by the state. This doesn't include folks that work and lose a steady job, or have a catastrophic illness this is about lifetime, generational welfare recipients.

If you act like a feral dog or cat, society must treat you like the animal you are.


Don't even get me started on that. They pay per child here for welfare and child tax credit. They actually had to cap the payout because 25 year old native women were raising six kids,all with different fathers,none of which had jobs to even garnish wages to supplement the tax payer load.
It seems to me there are 2 kinds of natives. There are the ones who believe all us white men are to blame for their plight and they are somehow entitled to sucking the government tit,and have no interest or desire in becoming anything other than a bum.
Then there is the sober native,who has pride,takes care of their own and becomes a professional whether a trade or better themselves with education.
We have far more of the former and few of the latter here in the prairies whereas the west coast are the latter are far more prevalent.
These people hold their entitlements as rights,like not paying sales or provincial taxes,and paying none at all if living on a reservation.
The way I see it is we are all brought into the world the same,naked and screaming,cold and scared. What you do with every moment after that brutal introduction is on you,and if there is blame to be had it should be accepted as your own,as you make or break yourself.
I cannot fathom how in some way its my fault Europeans came to this great land,conquered it centuries ago so I get to accept the burden of financing these people who were so wronged so long ago.
These natives seem to think whining and crying will achieve a result. It does nit turns the part of society against you and your cause. If you want change you have to be in a position to make it happen,either in government or the coup against it,either way leaders don't cry about why their lives suck,they keep going until it doesn't anymore.

 

[Clevy]

Originally Posted By: PandaBear
Originally Posted By: hattaresguy
People on the government dole here have it good. Their little EBT card that I pay for has more loaded on it than someone in a third world slum can hope to ever have.


Someone in 3rd world probably make $700 / year in cash, but they can survive because they can get enough food, shelter, and clothings by hunting with bow and arrow, chop down trees and put huge leaves on it, and go around naked in the tropical forest.

I like to see you living in America, any where here, on $700 a year. Food alone would have cost more than that.

You cannot compare dollar amount because cost of living is different.



Its doable if on the family farm,breeding your own flesh bearing animals,working the land. My mother grew up in a 12 child household in the farm. With not more than a few thousand a year. In a log house with mud chinking.
So only a generation ago it was possible. Now I spend that on fuel every few weeks.

 

[OtisBlkR1]

Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
Originally Posted By: OtisBlkR1
Question. a EBT card is a food stamp "credit card" style card correct ?

and a person would have this card, need this card in order to survive, they cant feed themselves, dont have enuff money right ?




That is correct, somewhat. It's for those that need it to survive, not cheat the system. I was only approved for $11 because I make what I paid into SSD (credits). But, I never applied for EBT. It was sent to me when I recieved my 1st disability check. I use it at the local ministry scratch and dent food store. It's amazing how many can goods $11 will buy!

Ok, got it. I have a sister in law that's completely abusing that plan in the state of ILL. Two kids (currently in foster care) and she's a high school drop out, never had a job, car, a place she paid for herself. She is completely dependant on the system since she dropped out of high school and started making babies. And her mentality is that its all just free from the goverment.. ive tried to get her to understand that its not free and that her family, friends, and strangers that pay taxes are paying for her.. She's perfectly healthy and capable of working (i think she's just turned 24) and in my opinion a complete burden on society.. she's Never contributed anything and has learned she doesnt have to, work the system and keep her hand out.

I think what truly blew my top was the tax deal.. oh boy.. Her x-Boyfriend and father of the kids.. This guy hasnt given her a dime for child support, he hasnt taken the kids, spent time with the kids.. NOTHING, he contacts Her and says he will split the tax money with her if he can claim the kids, he worked a construction job 3 weeks in the summer.. thats it.. the whole year.. Well she agreed and he filed the taxes and got a $6,000 return and then ran !!!!

He was spotted a week later in a 10 year old Ford expidition. I got wind he got busted for no plates or insurance within a few days..

Pathetic.

 

[rjundi]

Welfare is simply part of stable running government and society. You can think what you want however if you do not want tyranny and significant increase in crime its a fixed cost.

I get annoyed by the abuse too however there are legit folks who should collect too. I wish it could be used to educate folks or provide day care for kids so people would actually work or learn to work. However the jealous folks on the outside would cry unfair.

 

[SteveSRT8]

I don't think any rational person wants to stop aiding the truly needy.

But with waste being up to 40% depending on the program cited it would be nice to trim the edges of the mooches!

 

[jeepman3071]

Originally Posted By: Miller88


I ended up on unemployment once. It drove me up the @#$@ wall sitting at home not working every day. My (retired) father and I got to bond and spend a lot of time together ... that wart was well worth it.

However, I was pulliing in $275 a week (after taxes) with unemployment. Best I could find was 25 hours a week at a Target store 20 miles away. 25 hours a week at $9 is 225 a week, ends up below $200 after taxes. Then $8 to go back and fourth a week (gas in cherokee) ... it wouldn't pay to work at that point.


That right there is the problem with people today. One of my other friends was on unemployment and he said the first week it was nice because he could go fishing. After that he felt like a waste of space and being at home ate him alive. He ended up finding another job and went back to school. He is now very successful and works for IBM.

The friend I was discussing in my previous post feels the total opposite. He enjoys "playing" the system and says its the easiest money he has ever made. His attitude has somewhat damaged the friendship and I rarely see him anymore.

People who feel as though the world exists to serve them disgust me. They should stop being a waste of resources and be productive. Even though I could make more money by being on unemployment, I would never do it unless I was desperate (had a family to feed, etc). If I lost my job today, I'd be knocking on doors tomorrow looking for work. I pride myself with paying my own way for everything, including mowing lawns since I was 10 years old in order to buy my first vehicle. If I can do it, anyone can.

 

[Mystic]

You know you are in the ghetto when you are in Detroit.