You know you are in the ghetto when...

[BlueOvalFitter]

Originally Posted By: andrewg
What I do object to is having no choice in the matter and having a portion of my income taken away from me regardless of what I may or may not desire.

Who is doing this to you?

 

[andrewg]

Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
Originally Posted By: andrewg
What I do object to is having no choice in the matter and having a portion of my income taken away from me regardless of what I may or may not desire.

Who is doing this to you?

If you need an explanation.....then I seriously doubt it would do me any good to provide one for you.

 

[BlueOvalFitter]

Originally Posted By: andrewg
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
Originally Posted By: andrewg
What I do object to is having no choice in the matter and having a portion of my income taken away from me regardless of what I may or may not desire.

Who is doing this to you?

If you need an explanation.....then I seriously doubt it would do me any good to provide one for you.

Yeah, I kind of figured you would reply that way.
Ok, the truth you are hiding from is called "taxes." We all have to pay them, even if we don't want or like to.

 

[javacontour]

I don't mind paying my fair share of taxes. What I do mind is paying a higher percentage than others to then have that money used to buy the votes of those who pay a lower percentage through assistance programs with ineffective oversight and no incentive for anyone to eliminate the program.
After all, many who are chronically dependent on such programs don't benefit from them going away. The bureaucracy doesn't benefit if the programs go away, and the elected officials don't benefit if the program goes away because how will they buy the votes?

Anyone who suggests there is a better way, instead of working with them to pursue it, instead, they accuse them of wanting to kill, starve, hurt, grandma, mom, and the kids.

There has been a four decade long war on poverty and we don't have any less poverty than when it started.

Isn't it time to try another approach? Throwing money at the problem does little to address chronic poverty.

People who make poor choices, rich or poor, black, white, red, male or female, native born or immigrant will simply continue to make poor choices with the assistance they receive.

 

[fdcg27]

Originally Posted By: friendly_jacek
Originally Posted By: fdcg27
Originally Posted By: friendly_jacek
The experience in Africa clearly showed that if you just give help no strings attached, you end up producing dependence and harm people in the long run. This is exactly what we are doing inside USA.


Really?
You don't suppose that a past as an exploited European or British colony could have been a factor, along with the willingness of certain European nations to sell weapons to the governments of countries unable to feed their people?


Chill out! I'm talking humanitarian aid and not politics.


You think there's any distinction between the two?
The developed world has done much to cause turmoil in Africa.

 

[KrisZ]

You only know you're in a ghetto if occupants living there are being forced to stay there. You would see people dead on the streets and the rest starving. You would not see any animals, pets or even rodents because they would all have been eaten. Yes, I'm talking about Jewish ghettos from WW2, for those that may not get the reference.

OP is about neighbourhoods occupied by parasites that are not willing to do anything productive in their lives but instead blame everybody else around them for the situation. To make themselves feel better, they call their own back yard a ghetto, to imply that it's someone else's fault.
If these parasites were put in a true ghetto, even for a month, maybe then they would appreciate what they have.

 

[andrewg]

Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
Originally Posted By: andrewg
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
Originally Posted By: andrewg
What I do object to is having no choice in the matter and having a portion of my income taken away from me regardless of what I may or may not desire.

Who is doing this to you?

If you need an explanation.....then I seriously doubt it would do me any good to provide one for you.

Yeah, I kind of figured you would reply that way.
Ok, the truth you are hiding from is called "taxes." We all have to pay them, even if we don't want or like to.

I don't get your point here....I'm not 'hiding' from anything. If you asked me a question that you already knew the answer to...then doesn't that make YOU the disingenuous one?
So tell me....since my income is already taxed for welfare programs on a federal level....and my state taxes (in the form of 'fees') are also levied upon my income and purchases.....and as a result of this forced 'charity', the so called 'homeless' and 'needy' have not decreased one bit. Would you be in favor of increasing our taxes and fees to pay even more to support the non-working? After all, isn't that the Christian thing to do? Do you think that will somehow END the moochers of society that you seem to have such compassion for? Let me tell you....NO, it will not. As a matter of fact, they would INCREASE in numbers. The fact that, as you say, "we all have to pay them" has nothing to do with addressing the validity or effectiveness of our welfare programs. they are a WASTE of money....and more to my point, they are NOT taken from me voluntarily. BlueOval, if you want to care for these folks....nobody is stopping you from giving whatever portion of your income to them. Nor is anyone stopping you from working in a homeless shelter during your time off. Go ahead....you are free to do it. But don't tell me that "we all" must support the non-working through taxes as a way of justifying welfare.

 

[GenSan]

....you pull into a trailer park 'subdivision' and a sign clearly states, "U-turn at your own risk" and all the males in this subdivision look at you and on cue simultaneously spit chew near your vehicle. Oh and this was in New Jersey, Atco to be exact.

This is a comical, stereotypical map of different areas of New Jersey LINK.

 

[andrewg]

Originally Posted By: GenSan
....you pull into a trailer park 'subdivision' and a sign clearly states, "U-turn at your own risk" and all the males in this subdivision look at you and on cue simultaneously spit chew near your vehicle. Oh and this was in New Jersey, Atco to be exact.

This is a comical, stereotypical map of different areas of New Jersey LINK.

Great post. I loved the map. I would like to see one done for my area. Funny!

 

[dailydriver]

Originally Posted By: GenSan
....you pull into a trailer park 'subdivision' and a sign clearly states, "U-turn at your own risk" and all the males in this subdivision look at you and on cue simultaneously spit chew near your vehicle. Oh and this was in New Jersey, Atco to be exact.

This is a comical, stereotypical map of different areas of New Jersey LINK.


Yup,

(Did you experience these 'homes on wheels' denizens while visiting the straight, 1/4 mile track??)

But, my current state of residence was summed up fairly well by the 'Ragin Cajun' (James Carville, as much as he is loathed/HATED and despised by the majority on here), when he proclaimed that "You have Philly and Pittsburgh, and then it's pretty much Alabammy in between". SOOOOO TRUE! (sadly enough

)

 

[BlueOvalFitter]

Originally Posted By: andrewg
BlueOval, if you want to care for these folks....nobody is stopping you from giving whatever portion of your income to them. Nor is anyone stopping you from working in a homeless shelter during your time off. Go ahead....you are free to do it. But don't tell me that "we all" must support the non-working through taxes as a way of justifying welfare.

It's not that you "have to" support "them" you have no choice. If you, like I do and ALL Americans that pay taxes, then these taxes go to government funding of welfare and all the other items the government uses to help the most unfortuneate. Yes, there are those that scam the system but it's your job and mine to report such things if we know they are happening. And, I am sure the government is doing the best they can, with what little manpower and time, to catch these useless POS's!
And yes, I do volunteer my time at a ministry thrift store and I enjoy it very much!

 

[andrewg]

Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
Originally Posted By: andrewg
BlueOval, if you want to care for these folks....nobody is stopping you from giving whatever portion of your income to them. Nor is anyone stopping you from working in a homeless shelter during your time off. Go ahead....you are free to do it. But don't tell me that "we all" must support the non-working through taxes as a way of justifying welfare.

It's not that you "have to" support "them" you have no choice. If you, like I do and ALL Americans that pay taxes, then these taxes go to government funding of welfare and all the other items the government uses to help the most unfortuneate. Yes, there are those that scam the system but it's your job and mine to report such things if we know they are happening. And, I am sure the government is doing the best they can, with what little manpower and time, to catch these useless POS's!
And yes, I do volunteer my time at a ministry thrift store and I enjoy it very much!

This kind of sums up why it is pointless to have a discussion with you on this topic...you said, "I am sure the government is doing the best they can....". You, my friend, have a very naive and overly trusting opinion of the government. THAT is truly scary and unfortunate.
Have a good day....I'm out of this thread.

 

[buster]

 

[BlueOvalFitter]

Originally Posted By: andrewg
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
Originally Posted By: andrewg
BlueOval, if you want to care for these folks....nobody is stopping you from giving whatever portion of your income to them. Nor is anyone stopping you from working in a homeless shelter during your time off. Go ahead....you are free to do it. But don't tell me that "we all" must support the non-working through taxes as a way of justifying welfare.

It's not that you "have to" support "them" you have no choice. If you, like I do and ALL Americans that pay taxes, then these taxes go to government funding of welfare and all the other items the government uses to help the most unfortuneate. Yes, there are those that scam the system but it's your job and mine to report such things if we know they are happening. And, I am sure the government is doing the best they can, with what little manpower and time, to catch these useless POS's!
And yes, I do volunteer my time at a ministry thrift store and I enjoy it very much!

This kind of sums up why it is pointless to have a discussion with you on this topic...you said, "I am sure the government is doing the best they can....". You, my friend, have a very naive and overly trusting opinion of the government. THAT is truly scary and unfortunate.
Have a good day....I'm out of this thread.

The government did fine by me. Adios Amigo!

 

[dailydriver]

I see that Ayn Rand has reared her extremely ugly head in this thread.

That psychotic, sociopathic, hypocrit makes me ASHAMED to be from the same background as her (as well as the same lack of, how shall I say this 'spiritual beliefs').

 

[HM12460]

...when you see a 1974 Ford LTD on 22" tires. Focus gentlemen.

 

[aquariuscsm]

Originally Posted By: HM12460
...when you see a 1974 Ford LTD on 22" tires. Focus gentlemen.


Haha or the Pepto pink mid 70s Caprice Classic with rubberband tires riding as high as a Ford Super Duty 4x4

 

[PandaBear]

Originally Posted By: andrewg

I don't get your point here....I'm not 'hiding' from anything. If you asked me a question that you already knew the answer to...then doesn't that make YOU the disingenuous one?
So tell me....since my income is already taxed for welfare programs on a federal level....and my state taxes (in the form of 'fees') are also levied upon my income and purchases.....and as a result of this forced 'charity', the so called 'homeless' and 'needy' have not decreased one bit. Would you be in favor of increasing our taxes and fees to pay even more to support the non-working? After all, isn't that the Christian thing to do? Do you think that will somehow END the moochers of society that you seem to have such compassion for? Let me tell you....NO, it will not. As a matter of fact, they would INCREASE in numbers. The fact that, as you say, "we all have to pay them" has nothing to do with addressing the validity or effectiveness of our welfare programs. they are a WASTE of money....and more to my point, they are NOT taken from me voluntarily. BlueOval, if you want to care for these folks....nobody is stopping you from giving whatever portion of your income to them. Nor is anyone stopping you from working in a homeless shelter during your time off. Go ahead....you are free to do it. But don't tell me that "we all" must support the non-working through taxes as a way of justifying welfare.


Most of the welfare receivers I saw work, part time or full time with low income, like the section 8 renters that got 50-75% rent paid by the program.

The problem with this approach is while they do work and contribute to the society, the market is not moving resources around and price them accordingly. People aren't forced to take on higher paid jobs that isn't as desirable (ie janitor, grave yard shifts, etc), and the increase in resources are making the rent, food, etc go up in price. So like eljefino said before, that section 8 and food stamps is not a welfare program alone, it is a kick back program to landlords and farmers and they too are ripping off the tax payers' money.

Without these program some of the jobs have to be paid higher to justify the living cost and desirability of these jobs, rent and home sale price would drop as they face pressure from lower income people without subsidies, and food would cost less because fewer people would pay for a higher price.

Again, the reality is more than just a "I'm a tax payer that work hard and people are ripping me off by being lazy", most sec 8 tenants I know work, and they would have lived somewhere 1.5 hours away if there is no section 8 program.

 

[javacontour]

That's why I've said that welfare is available for all income levels.

Look at the Farm Bill. They say that if we didn't have the Farm Bill, milk would average over $6/gallon.

Well, if we are giving farmers money to raise cows and produce milk, doesn't it still cost $6/gallon? Just shifting the costs to someone else, that's all.

 

[Kestas]

Exactly. That's why I'm a big proponent of letting the market determine prices. It's much more efficient by simply not paying a staff to implement a program, among other reasons.