Yet ANOTHER, irresponsible pet owner!

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I've been thinking about this thread, and the certainty with which Antiqueshell has been stating his position.

But the caution from NHHEMI and others (myself included) about what actions to take don't seem to have taken root. So, for the benefit of all those who have been following this; in order to to articulate how taking the wrong steps can get you in trouble; in order to articulate how important it is that armed men understand the full legal context in which they carry a firearms, and in order to drive home the responsibility of armed men to avoid confrontation, please read the "other side of the story" which I have drawn from the facts you have presented, and presumed that you had to defend yourself:

"Your Honor, the state will prove that the defendant maliciously and deliberately killed the (insert neighbor's name) dog "Fluffy". Fluffy was a Boxer mix, fond of people, who never bit anyone. Since the (neighbor) moved to this neighborhood, the defendant has gone out of his way, walking several blocks nearly every day, to antagonize Fluffy. In his daily routine, he would confront Fluffy, he would act hostile towards the dog and the (neighbor), which ,naturally, Fluffy would sense. He yelled at the (neighbor's wife) several times and openly threatened her with physical violence about Fluffy.

He never called animal control. He never involved the police (though the neighbors did, to register their concerns about this unstable person who didn't like Fluffy, and seemed to go out of his way to torture the poor dog). No involvement of the authorities, while he continued to antagonize the dog, verbally assault the neighbors and develop his pre-meditated plan to kill the dog in a violent confrontation. With no complaint on record about Fluffy, the argument of "self-defense" is specious at best, but it's really a lie to cover up a vengeful, vicious killing of a family pet.

We've discovered internet posts by the defendant. Those posts reveal his hate for Fluffy, his repeated confrontations with Fluffy's owners, his plan to arm himself, his refusal to contact the authorities and yes, most heinous of all, his plan to execute a harmless family pet.

This killing of Fluffy was no accident. It was pre-meditated. He thought about it, even fantasized about it in his posts over a period of weeks leading up to the shooting. It was planned over weeks with clearly staged confrontations, confrontations that he had to go out of his way to create, and false representations of events that the (neighbors) witnessed.

When Fluffy was shot, the entire neighborhood was shocked. The charges against the defendant included assault, aggravated assault, battery, felony discharge of a firearm, felony cruelty to animals and reckless endangerment. Because of the danger that the defendant poses to himself and others, his reckless disregard for the safety of others, and his vicious, planned killing of a family pet, the state recommends that this psychopathic animal killer be held without bail pending trial."


Don't think a lawyer can take the same facts that you've presented and argue them this way? I wouldn't be so certain. Eager young prosecutor, representing a crying, grieving family in shock...and the internet evidence that you refused to avoid the dog, that you considered killing the dog, that you planned to continue confronting and provoking the dog...and your innocence is not at all clear...in fact, it's looking a lot like hard time for the dog killer.
 
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Astro and NHHEMI obviously have an agenda.

They refused to acknowledge that I contacted an attorney, and agreed to and took his recommendation that I not carry (gun), instead continue to use the streets as I had been for about four years without any problem.

If the dog bites me capture it on video and call the state police and animal control to handle the situation. Make contact with the attorney following the incident and sue the irresponsible dog owner for all injuries I sustain, and make sure the dog is quarantined euthanized.

That being said NHHEMI and Astro have absolutely refused to acknowledge that I informed them both that after the actor made a provocative threatening action against me I informed the owner and his wife that I would "let the law handle it". If I was threatened by the owner or his animal again I would contact the state police and the animal control authorities and they would take action to deal with the issues. I made no move to EVER use a gun in the matter, at ANY TIME period.

Since that encounter I HAVE ALREADY TWICE BEFORE IN THIS VERY THREAD reported that NO FURTHER PROBLEMS HAVE BEEN ENCOUNTERED, the dog is no longer present as far as I can tell at either property or on the surrounding streets, and the owner has been on the streets (by car and ATV) and has politely said "hello" and waved in a civil and peaceful manner. It is clear that he doesn't want to be arrested, be sued for damages, or have the dog euthanized.

For all the nonsense Astro and NHHEMI have posted here trying to lambaste me and rationalize the dog owners irresponsible and blatantly ILLEGAL behavior, in the end the actor has decided to
follow the laws and behave himself, allowing me and others to continue to use the streets I have peaceably used to jog and walk on as I had for the previous four years.

You get the impression that they are disappointed things worked out well for everyone, especially me.
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My agenda was to keep you out of trouble. Please go re-read my first post in which I encouraged you to seek legal advice and to contact the authorities. At least you followed one part of that advice...

There are always two sides to every story. I used your facts to present the other side to try and show you, as well as those who are following this thread, that your situation is not as iron-clad as you make it out to be.

Going over those facts:
- You choose to walk by their house 5 days a week.
- The dog jumps up.
- The dog has not bitten.
- You lambasted the wife.
- You gave them an ultimatum.
- You believe that they have talked with the cops.
- You threatened to sue (more than once).
- The dog was 20 yards off their property unleashed.
- The dog was leashed when walking by your house.
- You yelled at the owner.
- You gave the owner a "final warning".
- You stated "I will start carrying a gun" more than once.
- You have not called the authorities.


You view walking by their house as your right, yet when they walk by your house, you state, "they were trying to get me to "take the bait""...I see...you're an innocent pedestrian...they're pedestrians with intent...but when you walk by 5 times a week, knowing that the dog is excited by you, that's not intent?

Step outside of yourself for a moment, look at this situation as a judge might, using only the facts that you provided, and the situation becomes much less black and white. For the benefit of other readers of this thread, I presented the other side.

You believe that things worked out well for everyone. Well, I certainly hope so...but those owners (who are smart enough to own two houses, one worth over a million, right?) may have contacted their attorney, contacted the authorities, and have decided to de-escalate on advice of legal counsel, not because you lambasted, threatened or issued ultimatums...and in a future conflict with you, they will now own the legal high ground because they went through proper channels and did their best to avoid any conflict.

I still worry about keeping you out of trouble. So does NHHEMI...But I'll drop that agenda, if you like.
 
BOTTOM LINE IS....

The law is the ONLY thing that matters.

The dog owner was VIOLATING "the law" and I was following the law.


The dog owner realized that continuing to
"break the law" would likely result in his arrest, an expensive lawsuit, and the vicious dog being euthanized.

That dog owner is now obeying "the law". Period.

Probably an important aside is that the actor/owner is behaving in a "civil" and respectful manner towards me, when I have encountered him in passing after the last incident about 10 days ago, things have been fine since then.

Any questions?
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I just want to ask those that have only read the last couple of pages of this thread to take a few more minutes and read it from the start.

Astro14 and NHHEMI are trying to twist the facts for whatever reason they have, my guess is that they themselves are committing similar acts and violating applicable laws, with their own dogs.


If Astro14 was a lawyer and I was a juror
(and not too bright) I might be swayed by his presentation. If I was a Judge I would be quietly laughing at his amateur antics.
 
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Originally Posted By: GreeCguy
All I have to say is this: three of four pieces of fried bacon. That dog will be your best friend for life.


Gree:

I wish it was that simple. My guess is that the owner has purposely trained that dog as a "protection" or guard dog, and it won't respond to the things that a ordinary loved pet would. Not once did I ever hear the owner call the dog by name, even though it appears well cared for, clean, and well fed.

Like I mentioned earlier in the thread, I love most all animals, there are many dogs around here who are loose and running at large and the owners all know it, however, as long as they are friendly or nonthreatening I don't waste my time trying to explain to the owners why they shouldn't be allowing that nor do I waste the authorities time by calling them.
 
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It's obvious you're upset and frustrated - and that's not cool and I'm sorry to hear that. You're out for walks trying to get a little fresh air and excerise and this has your blood boiling which is not good for your health, peace of mind or well being. I know you've walked this route for four years and you were there before these people and so have a certain "ownership" to your route and routine. But wouldn't it be a whole lot easier just to find a new route? Ultimately, what you're trying to do is have a little peace and quite and maybe some thinking time. Right now all you have is barking dogs and all your thinking about is loose dogs and less than responsible pet owners.

What is it that you really want out of this sitation? Basically, you want what you had before, a nice stroll a few days out of the week. Cool. Can't you find a new place to walk or a different journey? That way, everybody wins with the biggest winner being you. I've had to learn the hard way that life is just too short. I pray peace upon you, around you and within you. And like Forest Gump said, "That's all I have to say about that."
 
Antiqueshell,stick to your guns. Don't let this [censored] push you around. Be the alpha male and show this bozo you're the ruler of the block. You were here first,and if he doesn't like it,then he has to conform to your criteria,not the other way around.
 
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Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
Antiqueshell,stick to your guns. Don't let this [censored] push you around. Be the alpha male and show this bozo you're the ruler of the block. You were here first,and if he doesn't like it,then he has to conform to your criteria,not the other way around.


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It's unfortunate what you speak of might be the case. What's weird is that I know this guy as a passing acquaintance for the past four years before he got the dog and while I never chatted much with him I always said a brief hello and waved at him, he would do the same. He never seemed to have an issue with me at all.

I am by no means a "tough guy" trying to prove a point, just an ordinary joe who enjoys being outside, occasionally chatting with the neighbors along the way, (when not jogging fast) and being at peace in the process. The fact is that there are limited back streets to use which are not main state roads (dangerous fast, heavy, traffic) Which aside from those I normally use would be my only other option. Aside from having to drive 15 miles to the park near here.

It appears that the normalcy which was before the problems began, has returned since I stood my ground based on being technically, legally, and morally correct.

It's good to know that this guy seems to have put the issue behind him as did I. I broke the ice first by saying hello and waving at him after my warning, the very next day, like the problem never occurred.
 
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