Will Amsoil PI breakdown SSO 5w30 quicker

[bigbull2984]

I just did a road trip and gave my fuel system nice clean. I started off the trip with 2 bottles in the tank and add a third bewteen fill ups. Since its Xmas and I am home should I just change the oil. Current fill is Signature Series Amsoil 5w30. Last time I did a oil change was in July and 6k miles on that oil right now.

So should I do a oil change or change out oil filter and top off?

Merry Xmas to all

 

[Smokefan1977]

I'd leave it in,but 3 bottles seems like alot. Not to mention road trips arnt the most effective for cleaning.

I have had conversations with Dave @ Red line about this very topic and was advised not to run cleaning cylces on road trips as PEA is most effective in soak. So shorter commutes with soak time is best

 

[JHZR2]

wht reason/indication did you have that the fuel system needed that much cleaning? That is pretty severe.

Next consideration is how hard do you drive, how often does the car get a real long drive, etc.

Id not be comfortable with that, but IMO the only way to see if youre getting soft metal wear or viscosity/fuel dilution issues is a UOA.

 

[Pablo]

If the tank is NOW clear of the PI, yes change your oil. If not, after the next tank of fuel. That is strong dosing and it's advisable to change your oil because the cleaned off/free material will be partially oxidized and can end up in your oil with the PI that's in your fuel. PI is nearly 50% PEA, so the good news it's not acidic. But it's not desirable to have a bunch in your oil.

 

[Artem]

If you need to change the oil after using PI, how come it's recommended to be used every 4,000 miles?

If i'm reading the lable correctly, say if you're running one of the Signature Series oils out to 25,000 miles for example, you'll end up doing 6 doses of PI (once every 4k) during that OCI.

I've been using PI in a few tanks of gas before an oil change for a while now. UOA don't seem to show any negative side effects compared to a few times when i didn't run any fuel additives.

 

[wiswind]

I don't want to put words into Pablo's mouth, but I'm thinking the extra strong dose is a factor here.
I run a maintenance dose of Redline Fuel System Cleaner and do not concern myself over the oil.
Of course, I'm not running a extended OCI, but I don't change it earlier because of the Redline cleaner.
The Amsoil PI has a good reputation and maybe using it in a maintenance dose going forward would be something to consider?

 

[Pablo]

Originally Posted By: Artem
If you need to change the oil after using PI....


Who said that?

Quote:
2 bottles in the tank and add a third bewteen fill ups


Change the oil. That's not a standard or recommended dosage.

 

[Smokefan1977]

So what your saying is the fuel additive is going past the rings instead of being burnt? In this case the additve is stealing your money. I SO don't buy that when most vehicles will have a trace of fuel during an entire OCI.

LEAVE THE OIL IN. After your long trip I promise you won't find any ill affects to your oil. I would love to challenge anyone to prove me wrong because I would be floored to see a vehicle so ineffiecent that it has 3 bottle of PIin the sump.

Sounds like a sales pitch and im a hard sell. If this is the case skip the over priced oil and change it at 4-5k and save money.

 

[Pablo]

Originally Posted By: Smokefan1977
So what your saying is the fuel additive is going past the rings instead of being burnt? In this case the additve is stealing your money. I SO don't buy that when most vehicles will have a trace of fuel during an entire OCI.

LEAVE THE OIL IN. After your long trip I promise you won't find any ill affects to your oil. I would love to challenge anyone to prove me wrong because I would be floored to see a vehicle so ineffiecent that it has 3 bottle of PIin the sump.

Sounds like a sales pitch and im a hard sell. If this is the case skip the over priced oil and change it at 4-5k and save money.


No I'm not saying all the PI goes by the rings. What I am saying as the PI cleans, depending on how much deposits there are/were, the released junk will not always 100% burn. Some will escape by the rings with some fuel and PI. Changing the oil will get that crud out so it won't re-deposit. No I'm not saying there will be some immediate harm, but if the OP wants the best answer, the best cleaning job - his oil has been in nearly six months now. Just change it and do an extended OCI with confidence.

Did anyone here say there would be three bottles of PI in the sump? Sounds like your imagination went into hyperdrive, then you accuse me of doing a "sales pitch". Trust me buddy, after being here near 10 years, I've pretty much heard all the accusations. I don't normally recommend an oil change after PI, only when people overdose their fuel. Not a difficult concept.

 

[Smokefan1977]

" PI is nearly 50% PEA, so the good news it's not acidic. But it's not desirable to have a bunch in your oil ".

I willing to put money that there is no ill effect to his oil. Ill even pay for the UOA to prove you completely wrong Pablo.

Im confident that the way this was used it did very little cleaning to begin with and on the road trip anything that did sneak by, burnt off.

Lets put a wager on this? heck if im wrong I'll purchase my next 3 OCI from you. If Im right you send me my next 3 OCI?

What do ya say??

 

[dave123]

How big is the gas tank what % gas to additive was it?

 

[bigbull2984]

Originally Posted By: Smokefan1977
" PI is nearly 50% PEA, so the good news it's not acidic. But it's not desirable to have a bunch in your oil ".

I willing to put money that there is no ill effect to his oil. Ill even pay for the UOA to prove you completely wrong Pablo.

Im confident that the way this was used it did very little cleaning to begin with and on the road trip anything that did sneak by, burnt off.

Lets put a wager on this? heck if im wrong I'll purchase my next 3 OCI from you. If Im right you send me my next 3 OCI?

What do ya say??


Dammit already mixed the used oil for recycling. Almost got myslef a free UOA.

I ended up changing the oil.

 

[Pablo]

Originally Posted By: Smokefan1977
" PI is nearly 50% PEA, so the good news it's not acidic. But it's not desirable to have a bunch in your oil ".

I willing to put money that there is no ill effect to his oil. Ill even pay for the UOA to prove you completely wrong Pablo.

Im confident that the way this was used it did very little cleaning to begin with and on the road trip anything that did sneak by, burnt off.

Lets put a wager on this? heck if im wrong I'll purchase my next 3 OCI from you. If Im right you send me my next 3 OCI?

What do ya say??


So at least you admit your goal.

Listen - I'm a bit under the effects of holiday cheer wine, and maybe I haven't been making myself so clear - but what EXACTLY would you be looking for in a UOA anyway?

 

[Blaze]

What is PEA amd PI?.. thanks

 

[Pablo]

Originally Posted By: Blaze
What is PEA amd PI?.. thanks


PEA = Polyether amines, a family of amines (an organic (carbon based) that contain a basic nitrogen atom with a lone electron pair). Like ammonia but with a carbon chain/group rather than H. These amines are excellent cleaners of most carbon based crud and are basic in the acid-base scale.

PI = Amsoil PI Performance Improver Amsoil PI link

 

[Blaze]

Thanks Pablo!

 

[84zmyfavorite]

Yes, Thanks Pablo!