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Seems yet another study finds fracking to be beneficial...
Seems yet another study finds fracking to be beneficial...
weeping fracktivists?
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Link to U. of Texas at Austin site: http://www.utexas.edu/news/2013/12/19/natural-gas-benefits/
Note where it says that the effects may be more pronounced at the locales where fracking is happening.
And, in the mouse print at the end of the article, it says the study was funded by Shell. Enough said. The gas companies have been as trustworthy as snakes in the Northern Tier of PA. I do not trust what they have to say about fracking.
As someone who has seen first-hand the devastation that fracking caused/is causing 30 miles away from my parent's houses, I can't help but think that there are alternatives to fracking.
Note where it says that the effects may be more pronounced at the locales where fracking is happening.
And, in the mouse print at the end of the article, it says the study was funded by Shell. Enough said. The gas companies have been as trustworthy as snakes in the Northern Tier of PA. I do not trust what they have to say about fracking.
As someone who has seen first-hand the devastation that fracking caused/is causing 30 miles away from my parent's houses, I can't help but think that there are alternatives to fracking.
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There are alternatives to the water & chemicals used in fracking. They have a propane gel in Canada and others have used food grade chemicals (things you could eat) as additives vs what they use now.
Coal is pretty bad all the way around. From mine accidents to strip mining to mercury in the water, etc.
Coal is pretty bad all the way around. From mine accidents to strip mining to mercury in the water, etc.
Originally Posted By: sciphi
As someone who has seen first-hand the devastation that fracking caused/is causing 30 miles away from my parent's houses, I can't help but think that there are alternatives to fracking.
Please provide link to EPA report showing this devastation.
As someone who has seen first-hand the devastation that fracking caused/is causing 30 miles away from my parent's houses, I can't help but think that there are alternatives to fracking.
Please provide link to EPA report showing this devastation.
JHZR2
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Originally Posted By: Danno
Originally Posted By: sciphi
As someone who has seen first-hand the devastation that fracking caused/is causing 30 miles away from my parent's houses, I can't help but think that there are alternatives to fracking.
Please provide link to EPA report showing this devastation.
An EPA report would be viewed as untrustworthy as a fracking report funded by Shell Oil.
Originally Posted By: sciphi
As someone who has seen first-hand the devastation that fracking caused/is causing 30 miles away from my parent's houses, I can't help but think that there are alternatives to fracking.
Please provide link to EPA report showing this devastation.
An EPA report would be viewed as untrustworthy as a fracking report funded by Shell Oil.
Can you explain the devastation?
Originally Posted By: sciphi
As someone who has seen first-hand the devastation that fracking caused/is causing 30 miles away from my parent's houses, I can't help but think that there are alternatives to fracking.
Originally Posted By: sciphi
As someone who has seen first-hand the devastation that fracking caused/is causing 30 miles away from my parent's houses, I can't help but think that there are alternatives to fracking.
Hydraulic fracturing was invented in the late 1940s and began to be commercialized on a large scale in the 1970s, with a significant ramp up in the 1990s. The concept behind this technology has been with us for a long time.
Yep, any minute someone will chime in about how the "water is on fire!"
But seriously, of course the study is financed by the evil Oil companies. They are the ones trying to counter the ridiculous hyperbole and [censored] surrounding fracking. Even the dorky movies made about it are pure propaganda.
But seriously, of course the study is financed by the evil Oil companies. They are the ones trying to counter the ridiculous hyperbole and [censored] surrounding fracking. Even the dorky movies made about it are pure propaganda.
More oil supply will lubricate the economy.
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: Danno
Originally Posted By: sciphi
As someone who has seen first-hand the devastation that fracking caused/is causing 30 miles away from my parent's houses, I can't help but think that there are alternatives to fracking.
Please provide link to EPA report showing this devastation.
An EPA report would be viewed as untrustworthy as a fracking report funded by Shell Oil.
That's my point. No EPA study - call it B$ as the EPA is as anti-fracking as it gets.
Originally Posted By: Danno
Originally Posted By: sciphi
As someone who has seen first-hand the devastation that fracking caused/is causing 30 miles away from my parent's houses, I can't help but think that there are alternatives to fracking.
Please provide link to EPA report showing this devastation.
An EPA report would be viewed as untrustworthy as a fracking report funded by Shell Oil.
That's my point. No EPA study - call it B$ as the EPA is as anti-fracking as it gets.
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Originally Posted By: kschachn
Can you explain the devastation?
Originally Posted By: sciphi
As someone who has seen first-hand the devastation that fracking caused/is causing 30 miles away from my parent's houses, I can't help but think that there are alternatives to fracking.
Let's see, trucks going by at all hours of the day and night hauling water to and from the hilltop well pads, rutted roads from those trucks, local sanitary systems that get overloaded from the fracking waste and that are not equipped to handle the chemicals in the wastewater, no wildlife within a 2 mile area of the well pad, loud compressor stations that run continuously that are placed nearby residences, and rents that have priced local residents out of their rentals as landlords go after the better-paid gas workers. To name a few of the plagues that fracking has inflicted upon many Northern Tier towns. I went on a tour of some of the fracking pads a few years ago, and saw quite a bit of what I am describing. Also, the local papers have followed the fracking industry, and aren't complimentary to it.
The records of Chesapeake and the other large players with dealing with those issues have been spotty at best. The issues that get dealt with are the ones that get media attention, such as the truck traffic.
For NY, they want to frack in the heart of Finger Lakes wine country. The frackers have poo-poohed the concerns of local winemakers and farmers. Throwing away a sustainable and well-paying wine industry for a few years of natural gas seems to be an ill-advised move to me.
Can you explain the devastation?
Originally Posted By: sciphi
As someone who has seen first-hand the devastation that fracking caused/is causing 30 miles away from my parent's houses, I can't help but think that there are alternatives to fracking.
Let's see, trucks going by at all hours of the day and night hauling water to and from the hilltop well pads, rutted roads from those trucks, local sanitary systems that get overloaded from the fracking waste and that are not equipped to handle the chemicals in the wastewater, no wildlife within a 2 mile area of the well pad, loud compressor stations that run continuously that are placed nearby residences, and rents that have priced local residents out of their rentals as landlords go after the better-paid gas workers. To name a few of the plagues that fracking has inflicted upon many Northern Tier towns. I went on a tour of some of the fracking pads a few years ago, and saw quite a bit of what I am describing. Also, the local papers have followed the fracking industry, and aren't complimentary to it.
The records of Chesapeake and the other large players with dealing with those issues have been spotty at best. The issues that get dealt with are the ones that get media attention, such as the truck traffic.
For NY, they want to frack in the heart of Finger Lakes wine country. The frackers have poo-poohed the concerns of local winemakers and farmers. Throwing away a sustainable and well-paying wine industry for a few years of natural gas seems to be an ill-advised move to me.
Originally Posted By: sciphi
local sanitary systems that get overloaded from the fracking waste and that are not equipped to handle the chemicals in the wastewater
Are you saying that the fraking companies are disposing disposable water into the community wastewater disposal?
local sanitary systems that get overloaded from the fracking waste and that are not equipped to handle the chemicals in the wastewater
Are you saying that the fraking companies are disposing disposable water into the community wastewater disposal?
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: Danno
Originally Posted By: sciphi
As someone who has seen first-hand the devastation that fracking caused/is causing 30 miles away from my parent's houses, I can't help but think that there are alternatives to fracking.
Please provide link to EPA report showing this devastation.
An EPA report would be viewed as untrustworthy as a fracking report funded by Shell Oil.
On this site at least.
Originally Posted By: Danno
Originally Posted By: sciphi
As someone who has seen first-hand the devastation that fracking caused/is causing 30 miles away from my parent's houses, I can't help but think that there are alternatives to fracking.
Please provide link to EPA report showing this devastation.
An EPA report would be viewed as untrustworthy as a fracking report funded by Shell Oil.
On this site at least.
Originally Posted By: sciphi
Originally Posted By: kschachn
Can you explain the devastation?
Originally Posted By: sciphi
As someone who has seen first-hand the devastation that fracking caused/is causing 30 miles away from my parent's houses, I can't help but think that there are alternatives to fracking.
Let's see, trucks going by at all hours of the day and night hauling water to and from the hilltop well pads, rutted roads from those trucks, local sanitary systems that get overloaded from the fracking waste and that are not equipped to handle the chemicals in the wastewater, no wildlife within a 2 mile area of the well pad, loud compressor stations that run continuously that are placed nearby residences, and rents that have priced local residents out of their rentals as landlords go after the better-paid gas workers. To name a few of the plagues that fracking has inflicted upon many Northern Tier towns. I went on a tour of some of the fracking pads a few years ago, and saw quite a bit of what I am describing. Also, the local papers have followed the fracking industry, and aren't complimentary to it.
The records of Chesapeake and the other large players with dealing with those issues have been spotty at best. The issues that get dealt with are the ones that get media attention, such as the truck traffic.
For NY, they want to frack in the heart of Finger Lakes wine country. The frackers have poo-poohed the concerns of local winemakers and farmers. Throwing away a sustainable and well-paying wine industry for a few years of natural gas seems to be an ill-advised move to me.
No positives - huh?
Originally Posted By: kschachn
Can you explain the devastation?
Originally Posted By: sciphi
As someone who has seen first-hand the devastation that fracking caused/is causing 30 miles away from my parent's houses, I can't help but think that there are alternatives to fracking.
Let's see, trucks going by at all hours of the day and night hauling water to and from the hilltop well pads, rutted roads from those trucks, local sanitary systems that get overloaded from the fracking waste and that are not equipped to handle the chemicals in the wastewater, no wildlife within a 2 mile area of the well pad, loud compressor stations that run continuously that are placed nearby residences, and rents that have priced local residents out of their rentals as landlords go after the better-paid gas workers. To name a few of the plagues that fracking has inflicted upon many Northern Tier towns. I went on a tour of some of the fracking pads a few years ago, and saw quite a bit of what I am describing. Also, the local papers have followed the fracking industry, and aren't complimentary to it.
The records of Chesapeake and the other large players with dealing with those issues have been spotty at best. The issues that get dealt with are the ones that get media attention, such as the truck traffic.
For NY, they want to frack in the heart of Finger Lakes wine country. The frackers have poo-poohed the concerns of local winemakers and farmers. Throwing away a sustainable and well-paying wine industry for a few years of natural gas seems to be an ill-advised move to me.
No positives - huh?
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
http://washingtonexaminer.com/fracktivis...utm_medium=feed
Seems yet another study finds fracking to be beneficial...
That's some fairly cherry picked "facts"...coal plants could be fitted with nearly 100% dry cooling for even greater gain...those that are cooled by run of river, or lake/pond, don't have the evaporation either.
If the gas is used open cycle GTs, it's being largely wasted for any utility value that it really has in being transportable.
http://washingtonexaminer.com/fracktivis...utm_medium=feed
Seems yet another study finds fracking to be beneficial...
That's some fairly cherry picked "facts"...coal plants could be fitted with nearly 100% dry cooling for even greater gain...those that are cooled by run of river, or lake/pond, don't have the evaporation either.
If the gas is used open cycle GTs, it's being largely wasted for any utility value that it really has in being transportable.
Originally Posted By: yucca
Originally Posted By: sciphi
local sanitary systems that get overloaded from the fracking waste and that are not equipped to handle the chemicals in the wastewater
Are you saying that the fraking companies are disposing disposable water into the community wastewater disposal?
They've tried for the less-contaminated stuff. It doesn't work: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/10/131002092621.htm and http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/02/27/us/natural-gas-documents-1.html#document/p417/a9945
Rents going up and straining communities (page 9 and beyond for the good stuff): http://services.housingonline.com/nhra_images/Andrew Mazak.pdf and http://www.willistonherald.com/news/oil-...19bb2963f4.html
Banks denying mortgages to buyers in gas patches: http://www.wtae.com/Couple-denied-mortga...l#ixzz2ZhR3Ha9y
For mortgages in general, the effects can be mixed, and folks without active wells can still be affected negatively by neighbors having gas wells on their properties: http://www.zillow.com/blog/2012-08-16/how-will-fracking-affect-your-property-value-and-mortgage/
Environmental and economic reasons like the ones outlined above are among the many reasons I am not a fan of fracking.
Originally Posted By: sciphi
local sanitary systems that get overloaded from the fracking waste and that are not equipped to handle the chemicals in the wastewater
Are you saying that the fraking companies are disposing disposable water into the community wastewater disposal?
They've tried for the less-contaminated stuff. It doesn't work: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/10/131002092621.htm and http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/02/27/us/natural-gas-documents-1.html#document/p417/a9945
Rents going up and straining communities (page 9 and beyond for the good stuff): http://services.housingonline.com/nhra_images/Andrew Mazak.pdf and http://www.willistonherald.com/news/oil-...19bb2963f4.html
Banks denying mortgages to buyers in gas patches: http://www.wtae.com/Couple-denied-mortga...l#ixzz2ZhR3Ha9y
For mortgages in general, the effects can be mixed, and folks without active wells can still be affected negatively by neighbors having gas wells on their properties: http://www.zillow.com/blog/2012-08-16/how-will-fracking-affect-your-property-value-and-mortgage/
Environmental and economic reasons like the ones outlined above are among the many reasons I am not a fan of fracking.
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JHZR2
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Originally Posted By: Danno
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: Danno
Originally Posted By: sciphi
As someone who has seen first-hand the devastation that fracking caused/is causing 30 miles away from my parent's houses, I can't help but think that there are alternatives to fracking.
Please provide link to EPA report showing this devastation.
An EPA report would be viewed as untrustworthy as a fracking report funded by Shell Oil.
That's my point. No EPA study - call it B$ as the EPA is as anti-fracking as it gets.
Yeah but pro fracking studies funded by big oil can't possibly be viewed as unbiased either. Neither are clean and free of issues.
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: Danno
Originally Posted By: sciphi
As someone who has seen first-hand the devastation that fracking caused/is causing 30 miles away from my parent's houses, I can't help but think that there are alternatives to fracking.
Please provide link to EPA report showing this devastation.
An EPA report would be viewed as untrustworthy as a fracking report funded by Shell Oil.
That's my point. No EPA study - call it B$ as the EPA is as anti-fracking as it gets.
Yeah but pro fracking studies funded by big oil can't possibly be viewed as unbiased either. Neither are clean and free of issues.
Coal Seam gas explorers and producers are gaining notoriety of spreading weed seeds and diseases between farms...apparently if it's not their core business of exploration, which they can do without landholder's consent, they don't give a rat's (until forced to by "heavy handed" regulators)
Upstate NY's economy is in the dumps. Record unemployment and people aren't making money.
Yet, somehow, they are outright BANNING the oil and gas industry up here. That could provide jobs.
But that's okay, let's just listen to a bunch of fake science and "claims" of damage.
Yet, somehow, they are outright BANNING the oil and gas industry up here. That could provide jobs.
But that's okay, let's just listen to a bunch of fake science and "claims" of damage.
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I see no benefit personally to fracking. Propane prices remain high still despite increase in supply.
Also they want to increase the frequency a railroad passes behind my home (3 cars once/week to 10 car train daily) to due transport of propane to export facility at local port.
Also they want to increase the frequency a railroad passes behind my home (3 cars once/week to 10 car train daily) to due transport of propane to export facility at local port.
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