Originally Posted By: Astro14
Originally Posted By: UncleDave
Originally Posted By: KrisZ
What's a newtonian flight capability?
Non newtonian flight would be something like accelerating from a dead stop to thousands of miles an hour in a second, or making 90 degree right hand turns at thousands of miles an hour. Or coming to a complete halt in one second from 500 MPH.
The reaction would cause occupants to turn into a pile of mush.
We can't build anything that does that. Nor can they anywhere else on this planet.
Basically breaking newtons laws of motion.
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Non-Newtonian motion can't be explained.
What you saw, and what they saw, can be explained.
What you see at night lacks comparison, relative size, and is impossible to judge. You can't tell that it's going "thousands of miles an hour" with a naked eyeball. It's your perception of motion that's in error. Perspective, line of sight, relative motion, they all contribute. It's the same thing as the daytime YouTube posts, discussed on this very board, of "an airplane flying backward".
It ain't flying backward! The perspective of the camera operator is simply causing an optical illusion that makes it APPEAR to fly backwards. Just like your UFOs APPEAR to have turned, or accelerated, in non-Newtonian motion.
The simple explanation: perceptive confusion beats the impossible explanation: "non-Newtonian motion"
Even the description, "non-Newtonian" motion is, in fact, a mis-perception. Even if your perception of motion was accurate (it wasn't, but supposing for a minute) there is nothing you saw which invalidates Inertia, F=MA, or equal and opposite reaction (Newton's three laws). The motion that you perceive is incredible (that is, difficult to believe) because you perceive the "A" to be very large...but it's still Newtonian. It just requires very large "F", or much smaller "M" than you imagine.
I've seen lots of motion, and weird optical illusions, at night, when I was moving at hundreds of miles an hour, or more. Human perception wasn't designed for that set of conditions.
It's easy to believe you saw something completely different than what you actually saw.
With more details, what you saw can be explained, in normal terms, with normal objects.
So whats the explanation then? I had another witness with me at the time, The " Did you see that" moment was pretty funny.
Im not exactly sure how fast an object that moves from one of of the horizon to another in less than the blink of an eye is.
How is a 90 degree right hand turn at speed not violating the law of momentum?
Can anyone in the discussion show me anything on earth that can do that at speed- Id love to see it.
for reference - I know what fighters look like from a lifetime of airshows and air force bases- when they break the sound barrier this and hundred even thousand plus MPH - whatever I saw made anything ive ever seen look slow including small meteors entering the atmosphere.
I dont know what it was, but I know we can't do that.
Audio engineer As a video guy in the effects business for 30 years I believe almost none of what I see thats not live and even question live events - I can fake almost anything digitally & imperceptably.
UD
Originally Posted By: UncleDave
Originally Posted By: KrisZ
What's a newtonian flight capability?
Non newtonian flight would be something like accelerating from a dead stop to thousands of miles an hour in a second, or making 90 degree right hand turns at thousands of miles an hour. Or coming to a complete halt in one second from 500 MPH.
The reaction would cause occupants to turn into a pile of mush.
We can't build anything that does that. Nor can they anywhere else on this planet.
Basically breaking newtons laws of motion.
UD
Non-Newtonian motion can't be explained.
What you saw, and what they saw, can be explained.
What you see at night lacks comparison, relative size, and is impossible to judge. You can't tell that it's going "thousands of miles an hour" with a naked eyeball. It's your perception of motion that's in error. Perspective, line of sight, relative motion, they all contribute. It's the same thing as the daytime YouTube posts, discussed on this very board, of "an airplane flying backward".
It ain't flying backward! The perspective of the camera operator is simply causing an optical illusion that makes it APPEAR to fly backwards. Just like your UFOs APPEAR to have turned, or accelerated, in non-Newtonian motion.
The simple explanation: perceptive confusion beats the impossible explanation: "non-Newtonian motion"
Even the description, "non-Newtonian" motion is, in fact, a mis-perception. Even if your perception of motion was accurate (it wasn't, but supposing for a minute) there is nothing you saw which invalidates Inertia, F=MA, or equal and opposite reaction (Newton's three laws). The motion that you perceive is incredible (that is, difficult to believe) because you perceive the "A" to be very large...but it's still Newtonian. It just requires very large "F", or much smaller "M" than you imagine.
I've seen lots of motion, and weird optical illusions, at night, when I was moving at hundreds of miles an hour, or more. Human perception wasn't designed for that set of conditions.
It's easy to believe you saw something completely different than what you actually saw.
With more details, what you saw can be explained, in normal terms, with normal objects.
So whats the explanation then? I had another witness with me at the time, The " Did you see that" moment was pretty funny.
Im not exactly sure how fast an object that moves from one of of the horizon to another in less than the blink of an eye is.
How is a 90 degree right hand turn at speed not violating the law of momentum?
Can anyone in the discussion show me anything on earth that can do that at speed- Id love to see it.
for reference - I know what fighters look like from a lifetime of airshows and air force bases- when they break the sound barrier this and hundred even thousand plus MPH - whatever I saw made anything ive ever seen look slow including small meteors entering the atmosphere.
I dont know what it was, but I know we can't do that.
Audio engineer As a video guy in the effects business for 30 years I believe almost none of what I see thats not live and even question live events - I can fake almost anything digitally & imperceptably.
UD
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