VW 502.00/505.00 vs. 502.00/505.00/505.01
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yes, it's %, instead of ppm. My typo
Originally Posted By: weasley
Just to be clear, we're talking about % by mass rather than ppm (parts per million).
YES, you are right.
Just to be clear, we're talking about % by mass rather than ppm (parts per million).
YES, you are right.
Originally Posted By: UG_Passat
Originally Posted By: nielkfj
I have a 2013 VW GTI with the 2.0T engine (gasoline engine). I'm looking for a VW 502.00 approved oil for my next oil change.
Most (if not all) brands on the market that are 502.00 approved are also 505.00 approved. However, there are also brands that include the 505.01 approval for VW's "Pumpe-Düse" diesel engines. According to the web page linked below, 505.01 is a higher specification than 502.00 - better wear performance in particular.
https://www.oilspecifications.org/articles/vw_motor_oil_specifications_explained.php
So, I'm thinking that a 502.00/505.00/505.01 approved oil would protect my car engine better than a 502.00/505.00 approved oil. However, the 502.00/505.00/505.01 oils are typically marketed for diesels, so I'm not sure if my reasoning is correct.
Any opinions about this would be appreciated.
VW505.01 is made to shear down early, then the viscosity builds up with soot loading. This was back in the pre-ULSD days, when the Pumpe-Duse (BEW) engine was introduced in 2004. With 5,000 mile changes, that is typically done on 2.0T's (FSI and TSI), it's actually worse than a regular 505.00 oil.
In fact, cam shaft wear was still a problem using 505.01 oils on the PD engines.
Absolute rubbish
Originally Posted By: nielkfj
I have a 2013 VW GTI with the 2.0T engine (gasoline engine). I'm looking for a VW 502.00 approved oil for my next oil change.
Most (if not all) brands on the market that are 502.00 approved are also 505.00 approved. However, there are also brands that include the 505.01 approval for VW's "Pumpe-Düse" diesel engines. According to the web page linked below, 505.01 is a higher specification than 502.00 - better wear performance in particular.
https://www.oilspecifications.org/articles/vw_motor_oil_specifications_explained.php
So, I'm thinking that a 502.00/505.00/505.01 approved oil would protect my car engine better than a 502.00/505.00 approved oil. However, the 502.00/505.00/505.01 oils are typically marketed for diesels, so I'm not sure if my reasoning is correct.
Any opinions about this would be appreciated.
VW505.01 is made to shear down early, then the viscosity builds up with soot loading. This was back in the pre-ULSD days, when the Pumpe-Duse (BEW) engine was introduced in 2004. With 5,000 mile changes, that is typically done on 2.0T's (FSI and TSI), it's actually worse than a regular 505.00 oil.
In fact, cam shaft wear was still a problem using 505.01 oils on the PD engines.
Absolute rubbish
505.01 requires lower ash than 502/505. This could ba an advantage or disadvantage. Some people claim that high SAPS of 502/505 causes buildup on valves of GDI engines, and the ultra low SAPS doesn't have a high enough TBN to deal with high sulfur gasoline. By using an oil that is 502/505/505.01, you might get a good compromise for GDI engines.
Of course, the idea that GDI engines might benefit from 505.01 is hypothetical. It might not do a single thing to reduce valve buildup in GDI engines.
NAPA sells Valvoline Euro 5w40 and it is a 502/505/505.01 and that is probably the easiest to find.
Of course, the idea that GDI engines might benefit from 505.01 is hypothetical. It might not do a single thing to reduce valve buildup in GDI engines.
NAPA sells Valvoline Euro 5w40 and it is a 502/505/505.01 and that is probably the easiest to find.
Originally Posted By: nielkfj
SR5:
Are you able to confirm that Castrol Edge 0W-40 uses a Group IV base stock?
A user made that claim in another tread:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4299455/Re:_Liqui_Moly_Comparison#Post4299455
I have tried to verify it by searching on the internet, but haven't found anything.
I rang up Castrol Australia a few years ago to get advice on which synthetic to use. I asked them a direct question, and they gave me a direct answer. Castrol Edge 0W40 and 10W60 are PAO based, Castrol Edge 5W30 and 5W40 are Group III based. Try getting a clear cut answer like that from a Castrol employee now days.
But, a formula can change......with both time and country.
Also no 20 grades in Oz back then.
SR5:
Are you able to confirm that Castrol Edge 0W-40 uses a Group IV base stock?
A user made that claim in another tread:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4299455/Re:_Liqui_Moly_Comparison#Post4299455
I have tried to verify it by searching on the internet, but haven't found anything.
I rang up Castrol Australia a few years ago to get advice on which synthetic to use. I asked them a direct question, and they gave me a direct answer. Castrol Edge 0W40 and 10W60 are PAO based, Castrol Edge 5W30 and 5W40 are Group III based. Try getting a clear cut answer like that from a Castrol employee now days.
But, a formula can change......with both time and country.
Also no 20 grades in Oz back then.
Originally Posted By: SR5
Originally Posted By: nielkfj
SR5:
Are you able to confirm that Castrol Edge 0W-40 uses a Group IV base stock?
A user made that claim in another tread:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4299455/Re:_Liqui_Moly_Comparison#Post4299455
I have tried to verify it by searching on the internet, but haven't found anything.
I rang up Castrol Australia a few years ago to get advice on which synthetic to use. I asked them a direct question, and they gave me a direct answer. Castrol Edge 0W40 and 10W60 are PAO based, Castrol Edge 5W30 and 5W40 are Group III based. Try getting a clear cut answer like that from a Castrol employee now days.
But, a formula can change......with both time and country.
Also no 20 grades in Oz back then.
On German Castrol web site currently ONLY 10W60 and 0W30 LL-04 are listed as Full synthetic. 0W40 is moved to "synthetic" group.
Originally Posted By: nielkfj
SR5:
Are you able to confirm that Castrol Edge 0W-40 uses a Group IV base stock?
A user made that claim in another tread:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4299455/Re:_Liqui_Moly_Comparison#Post4299455
I have tried to verify it by searching on the internet, but haven't found anything.
I rang up Castrol Australia a few years ago to get advice on which synthetic to use. I asked them a direct question, and they gave me a direct answer. Castrol Edge 0W40 and 10W60 are PAO based, Castrol Edge 5W30 and 5W40 are Group III based. Try getting a clear cut answer like that from a Castrol employee now days.
But, a formula can change......with both time and country.
Also no 20 grades in Oz back then.
On German Castrol web site currently ONLY 10W60 and 0W30 LL-04 are listed as Full synthetic. 0W40 is moved to "synthetic" group.
Originally Posted By: edyvw
On German Castrol web site currently ONLY 10W60 and 0W30 LL-04 are listed as Full synthetic. 0W40 is moved to "synthetic" group.
Interesting, I don't think we get the 0W30 here, only the 0w40. But now we get two versions of 0W40, one is a full SAPS A3/B4 and the other is a mid-SAPS C3.
I used a lot of that 10W60 in my motorcycles and some cars. Given that in Oz, back in the day, we ran GTX 20W50 or Penrite 20W60 mineral oil in everything, it was a natural step to use Castrol Edge / FormulaR 10W60 as my first synthetic. I ran it in everything for about 10 year straight.
On German Castrol web site currently ONLY 10W60 and 0W30 LL-04 are listed as Full synthetic. 0W40 is moved to "synthetic" group.
Interesting, I don't think we get the 0W30 here, only the 0w40. But now we get two versions of 0W40, one is a full SAPS A3/B4 and the other is a mid-SAPS C3.
I used a lot of that 10W60 in my motorcycles and some cars. Given that in Oz, back in the day, we ran GTX 20W50 or Penrite 20W60 mineral oil in everything, it was a natural step to use Castrol Edge / FormulaR 10W60 as my first synthetic. I ran it in everything for about 10 year straight.
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: SR5
Originally Posted By: nielkfj
SR5:
Are you able to confirm that Castrol Edge 0W-40 uses a Group IV base stock?
A user made that claim in another tread:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4299455/Re:_Liqui_Moly_Comparison#Post4299455
I have tried to verify it by searching on the internet, but haven't found anything.
I rang up Castrol Australia a few years ago to get advice on which synthetic to use. I asked them a direct question, and they gave me a direct answer. Castrol Edge 0W40 and 10W60 are PAO based, Castrol Edge 5W30 and 5W40 are Group III based. Try getting a clear cut answer like that from a Castrol employee now days.
But, a formula can change......with both time and country.
Also no 20 grades in Oz back then.
On German Castrol web site currently ONLY 10W60 and 0W30 LL-04 are listed as Full synthetic. 0W40 is moved to "synthetic" group.
According to this thread
https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4673596/
The Edge 0W40 may have changed formulation recently.
Originally Posted By: SR5
Originally Posted By: nielkfj
SR5:
Are you able to confirm that Castrol Edge 0W-40 uses a Group IV base stock?
A user made that claim in another tread:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4299455/Re:_Liqui_Moly_Comparison#Post4299455
I have tried to verify it by searching on the internet, but haven't found anything.
I rang up Castrol Australia a few years ago to get advice on which synthetic to use. I asked them a direct question, and they gave me a direct answer. Castrol Edge 0W40 and 10W60 are PAO based, Castrol Edge 5W30 and 5W40 are Group III based. Try getting a clear cut answer like that from a Castrol employee now days.
But, a formula can change......with both time and country.
Also no 20 grades in Oz back then.
On German Castrol web site currently ONLY 10W60 and 0W30 LL-04 are listed as Full synthetic. 0W40 is moved to "synthetic" group.
According to this thread
https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4673596/
The Edge 0W40 may have changed formulation recently.
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