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What oil would you say you think is good for LSPI engines? Thanks in advance sir
What oil would you say you think is good for LSPI engines? Thanks in advance sir
Valvoline keep sodium for Gen2?
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Originally Posted By: car51
Whimsey: darn phone put “whiskey” so my bad
What oil would you say you think is good for LSPI engines? Thanks in advance sir
To help fight LSPI in TGDi engines, anything with dexos1Gen2 approval is recommended.
https://noln.net/2017/06/30/new-generation-dexos-acea-specifications/
Whimsey: darn phone put “whiskey” so my bad
What oil would you say you think is good for LSPI engines? Thanks in advance sir
To help fight LSPI in TGDi engines, anything with dexos1Gen2 approval is recommended.
https://noln.net/2017/06/30/new-generation-dexos-acea-specifications/
“To help fight LSPI in TGDi engines, anything with dexos1Gen2 approval is recommended. “
And that includes Valvoline Advanced Synthetic as it has the gen2 certificate. So in full circle, we will need an analysis to see what has changed if anything. Perhaps it’s the level of sodium? Perhaps back to Moly and boron? Only the analysis will tell.
And that includes Valvoline Advanced Synthetic as it has the gen2 certificate. So in full circle, we will need an analysis to see what has changed if anything. Perhaps it’s the level of sodium? Perhaps back to Moly and boron? Only the analysis will tell.
In the studies, calcium was an LSPI producer, particularly at levels above 1500 (the curve goes way vertical). In conjunction with calcium, when sodium was added, the LSPI occurrences went way up. Magnesium is LSPI neutral. That is why, in most of the D1G2 oils, it looks as if they replaced around half the calcium with magnesium, and there is no sodium. Unless they remove calcium completely from the add pack, it is hard to envision there being any sodium in a D1G2 oil. They would be fighting the So/Ca with something else. Why bother?
Originally Posted By: bigj_16
In the studies, calcium was an LSPI producer, particularly at levels above 1500 (the curve goes way vertical). In conjunction with calcium, when sodium was added, the LSPI occurrences went way up. Magnesium is LSPI neutral. That is why, in most of the D1G2 oils, it looks as if they replaced around half the calcium with magnesium, and there is no sodium. Unless they remove calcium completely from the add pack, it is hard to envision there being any sodium in a D1G2 oil. They would be fighting the So/Ca with something else. Why bother?
Good point and sorry bout earlier thoughts sir. MAGNATEC looks good but is it Dexos 1 gen2?
Thanks
In the studies, calcium was an LSPI producer, particularly at levels above 1500 (the curve goes way vertical). In conjunction with calcium, when sodium was added, the LSPI occurrences went way up. Magnesium is LSPI neutral. That is why, in most of the D1G2 oils, it looks as if they replaced around half the calcium with magnesium, and there is no sodium. Unless they remove calcium completely from the add pack, it is hard to envision there being any sodium in a D1G2 oil. They would be fighting the So/Ca with something else. Why bother?
Good point and sorry bout earlier thoughts sir. MAGNATEC looks good but is it Dexos 1 gen2?
Thanks
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Originally Posted By: car51
Originally Posted By: bigj_16
In the studies, calcium was an LSPI producer, particularly at levels above 1500 (the curve goes way vertical). In conjunction with calcium, when sodium was added, the LSPI occurrences went way up. Magnesium is LSPI neutral. That is why, in most of the D1G2 oils, it looks as if they replaced around half the calcium with magnesium, and there is no sodium. Unless they remove calcium completely from the add pack, it is hard to envision there being any sodium in a D1G2 oil. They would be fighting the So/Ca with something else. Why bother?
Good point and sorry bout earlier thoughts sir. MAGNATEC looks good but is it Dexos 1 gen2?
Thanks
Hi car51,
Here's the list of approved oils...
http://www.centerforqa.com/dexos-brand2015/
Originally Posted By: bigj_16
In the studies, calcium was an LSPI producer, particularly at levels above 1500 (the curve goes way vertical). In conjunction with calcium, when sodium was added, the LSPI occurrences went way up. Magnesium is LSPI neutral. That is why, in most of the D1G2 oils, it looks as if they replaced around half the calcium with magnesium, and there is no sodium. Unless they remove calcium completely from the add pack, it is hard to envision there being any sodium in a D1G2 oil. They would be fighting the So/Ca with something else. Why bother?
Good point and sorry bout earlier thoughts sir. MAGNATEC looks good but is it Dexos 1 gen2?
Thanks
Hi car51,
Here's the list of approved oils...
http://www.centerforqa.com/dexos-brand2015/
D1G2 is not going to be the last word on LSPI, either. Ford has a test, which I believe is being incorporated into SN Plus. GF-6 is going to address LSPI, also.
Thanks for info folks
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The best D1G2 oil I have seen on paper so far is the Amsoil SS 5W-30. It looks like they went all out on the add pack. Just keep in mind that Moly is an LSPI killer.
Here's the VOA link:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4554249/1/Amsoil_SS_5w30_new_formulation
Here's the VOA link:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4554249/1/Amsoil_SS_5w30_new_formulation
Originally Posted By: PimTac
“To help fight LSPI in TGDi engines, anything with dexos1Gen2 approval is recommended. “
And that includes Valvoline Advanced Synthetic as it has the gen2 certificate. So in full circle, we will need an analysis to see what has changed if anything. Perhaps it’s the level of sodium? Perhaps back to Moly and boron? Only the analysis will tell.
You mean Synpower or Maxlife Synpower also PimTac?
Thx
“To help fight LSPI in TGDi engines, anything with dexos1Gen2 approval is recommended. “
And that includes Valvoline Advanced Synthetic as it has the gen2 certificate. So in full circle, we will need an analysis to see what has changed if anything. Perhaps it’s the level of sodium? Perhaps back to Moly and boron? Only the analysis will tell.
You mean Synpower or Maxlife Synpower also PimTac?
Thx
Originally Posted By: car51
Originally Posted By: PimTac
“To help fight LSPI in TGDi engines, anything with dexos1Gen2 approval is recommended. “
And that includes Valvoline Advanced Synthetic as it has the gen2 certificate. So in full circle, we will need an analysis to see what has changed if anything. Perhaps it’s the level of sodium? Perhaps back to Moly and boron? Only the analysis will tell.
You mean Synpower or Maxlife Synpower also PimTac?
Thx
It is an interesting twist. The pictures of Valvoline’s new jugs have no mention of Synpower on the label. I haven’t seen one yet in person. They all said Valvoline Advanced Synthetic. Even their website still shows Synpower. So it’s not official but one wonders why the new jugs differ?
Originally Posted By: PimTac
“To help fight LSPI in TGDi engines, anything with dexos1Gen2 approval is recommended. “
And that includes Valvoline Advanced Synthetic as it has the gen2 certificate. So in full circle, we will need an analysis to see what has changed if anything. Perhaps it’s the level of sodium? Perhaps back to Moly and boron? Only the analysis will tell.
You mean Synpower or Maxlife Synpower also PimTac?
Thx
It is an interesting twist. The pictures of Valvoline’s new jugs have no mention of Synpower on the label. I haven’t seen one yet in person. They all said Valvoline Advanced Synthetic. Even their website still shows Synpower. So it’s not official but one wonders why the new jugs differ?
Very good sir. Thank you
Here is the link to that new bottle and label. I got it from the earlier thread.
https://team.valvoline.com/diy/product-tools/explore-new-easy-pour-bottle
https://team.valvoline.com/diy/product-tools/explore-new-easy-pour-bottle
Thank you PimTac
Some nice info on valvoline synthetics
. Nice NOACK #'s too
https://sharena21.springcm.com/Public/Do...12-ac162d889bd1
https://sharena21.springcm.com/Public/Do...12-ac162d889bd1
Originally Posted By: THafeez
Maybe he meant dexos 1 gen 2
Sorry, that
Maybe he meant dexos 1 gen 2
Sorry, that
I like Valvoline as a brand and while I am not loyal to any particular brand, Valvoline is a sure pick for me. Havoline would be another if it were not so hard to track down. That’s the oil I grew up with and used in my early days because my father used it religiously. Many here have that same story with their favorite brands also.
The new Pennzoil Platinum has piqued my curiosity because the paper stats look excellent. Now that I have a GDI engine I plan to stay with the course of avoiding LSPI even though it seems to be particular to turbo GDI engines. Mine has no turbo but I want to play it safe. If a Valvoline analysis comes up here that shows promise then I’ll go with them. Either way I should be alright running any gen2 oil.
I found it interesting that the Valvoline new bottle info page is dated Feb 2017, yet there was no mention of any changes here until recently. Usually BITOGers are quick on the draw at this kind of info.
The new Pennzoil Platinum has piqued my curiosity because the paper stats look excellent. Now that I have a GDI engine I plan to stay with the course of avoiding LSPI even though it seems to be particular to turbo GDI engines. Mine has no turbo but I want to play it safe. If a Valvoline analysis comes up here that shows promise then I’ll go with them. Either way I should be alright running any gen2 oil.
I found it interesting that the Valvoline new bottle info page is dated Feb 2017, yet there was no mention of any changes here until recently. Usually BITOGers are quick on the draw at this kind of info.
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Originally Posted By: PimTac
I like Valvoline as a brand and while I am not loyal to any particular brand, Valvoline is a sure pick for me. Havoline would be another if it were not so hard to track down. That’s the oil I grew up with and used in my early days because my father used it religiously. Many here have that same story with their favorite brands also.
The new Pennzoil Platinum has piqued my curiosity because the paper stats look excellent. Now that I have a GDI engine I plan to stay with the course of avoiding LSPI even though it seems to be particular to turbo GDI engines. Mine has no turbo but I want to play it safe. If a Valvoline analysis comes up here that shows promise then I’ll go with them. Either way I should be alright running any gen2 oil.
I found it interesting that the Valvoline new bottle info page is dated Feb 2017, yet there was no mention of any changes here until recently. Usually BITOGers are quick on the draw at this kind of info.
With the Pennzoil $2 a quart rebate, you can get 24 qts. for $2.40 a qt.
I like Valvoline as a brand and while I am not loyal to any particular brand, Valvoline is a sure pick for me. Havoline would be another if it were not so hard to track down. That’s the oil I grew up with and used in my early days because my father used it religiously. Many here have that same story with their favorite brands also.
The new Pennzoil Platinum has piqued my curiosity because the paper stats look excellent. Now that I have a GDI engine I plan to stay with the course of avoiding LSPI even though it seems to be particular to turbo GDI engines. Mine has no turbo but I want to play it safe. If a Valvoline analysis comes up here that shows promise then I’ll go with them. Either way I should be alright running any gen2 oil.
I found it interesting that the Valvoline new bottle info page is dated Feb 2017, yet there was no mention of any changes here until recently. Usually BITOGers are quick on the draw at this kind of info.
With the Pennzoil $2 a quart rebate, you can get 24 qts. for $2.40 a qt.
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Originally Posted By: PimTac
Havoline would be another if it were not so hard to track down. That’s the oil I grew up with and used in my early days because my father used it religiously.
Awhile back I found Havoline ProDS Synthetic Motor Oil 10W30 on sale and when the dust settled it wound up costing me $10.70 a 5 Qt. Jug. Now I have my summer oil for the next 5 years.
Havoline would be another if it were not so hard to track down. That’s the oil I grew up with and used in my early days because my father used it religiously.
Awhile back I found Havoline ProDS Synthetic Motor Oil 10W30 on sale and when the dust settled it wound up costing me $10.70 a 5 Qt. Jug. Now I have my summer oil for the next 5 years.
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