Uniroyal tiger paw gtz awful in the rain

[OVERKILL]

BTW, if you read the Tire Rack review of the Advan A/S I would be somewhat concerned by this comment:

Originally Posted By: Tirerack
What We'd Improve: Needs an improvement in wet traction to be competitive, ride quality needs some added composure.
Conclusion: A reasonable offering that is overshadowed by the latest and greatest.


Not overly confidence inspiring, given your gripes about wet traction as the reason for this thread....

In comparison, the Tire Rack review of the Pilot A/S 3+ runs rather contrary:

Originally Posted By: Tirerack
What We Liked: Nimble handling and impressive ultimate grip, especially in the wet
What We'd Improve: Soften the ride a little and improve winter traction
Conclusion: Dry and wet handling leader in the category

 

[Traction]

All I can say is, that if more tires had the engineering, and quality of Michelin to go the distance, they would rot too. But they are rotten to start in other ways instead.

 

[ram_man]

I saw the tire rack review and of course it conflicted with consumer reports. It's seems like tire reviews are up to interpretation.

 

[krzyss]

I am not sure it conflicts.
Per CR the wet braking and hydroplaning are very good, which means they are somewhere in particular range, between excellent and good.
However they are not excellent.
Tires with excellent hydroplaning (no excellent braking in AS ultra high performance) are:
Pirelli P Zero All Season Plus
Hankook Ventus S1 noble 2
Dunlop Signature HP
General G-MAX AS-03
Falken Azenis FK450 A/S

All above tires that took part in TR test (https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/chartDisplay.jsp?ttid=222) post better wet performance except braking where Dunlop Signature HP is the worst 114.7' vs 114.2' for Yokohama.

If it were me I would be buying the best wet performer as in dry I usually run out of guts before I run out of space.

I am afraid you still picked wrong tire for your stated primary concern that is wet performance. Difference in braking 50-0 mph is 7' between the best and worst in test (TR).
That may be collision vs no collision difference in emergency.

Krzys

 

[CKN]

Moral of the story-

Michelin are the greatest tires in the world. Nothing compares-no matter what your purpose or budget. If you can't afford them-sell your wife or your children-they are worth it.

 

[chrisri]

Originally Posted By: krzyss
I am not sure it conflicts.
Per CR the wet braking and hydroplaning are very good, which means they are somewhere in particular range, between excellent and good.
However they are not excellent.
Tires with excellent hydroplaning (no excellent braking in AS ultra high performance) are:
Pirelli P Zero All Season Plus
Hankook Ventus S1 noble 2
Dunlop Signature HP
General G-MAX AS-03
Falken Azenis FK450 A/S

All above tires that took part in TR test (https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/chartDisplay.jsp?ttid=222) post better wet performance except braking where Dunlop Signature HP is the worst 114.7' vs 114.2' for Yokohama.

If it were me I would be buying the best wet performer as in dry I usually run out of guts before I run out of space.

I am afraid you still picked wrong tire for your stated primary concern that is wet performance. Difference in braking 50-0 mph is 7' between the best and worst in test (TR).
That may be collision vs no collision difference in emergency.

Krzys


Interesting how you North Americans fixate on aquaplaning like that is the sole and only performance area a tyre should be good at. Standing water is a no problem here (EU in general albeit I have not been to the UK), and especially not on the high speed course roads like motorways (highways). Drainage system works excellent on those. Is there a significant difference in a way motorways and roads in general are built and maintained in the US?

 

[DuckRyder]

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/videoDisplay.jsp?ttid=222

While Yokohama generally makes very good tires, based on that video I’d be looking at some of the other choices, But I hope they work out for you if it is a done deal.

 

[krzyss]

Originally Posted By: chrisri

Interesting how you North Americans fixate on aquaplaning like that is the sole and only performance area a tyre should be good at. Standing water is a no problem here (EU in general albeit I have not been to the UK), and especially not on the high speed course roads like motorways (highways). Drainage system works excellent on those. Is there a significant difference in a way motorways and roads in general are built and maintained in the US?


I do not think that tropical hurricanes make landfall in Europe that often.
When they do it is the end of the world:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropical_cyclone_effects_in_Europe

German tire tests include hydroplaning in straight line and in circle. Does it mean they are fixated too?

ADAC methodology via google translate for wet score

"Wet roadway (weighting 30%, with note limits): Braking (weighting 30%): braking distance with ABS braking from 80 km / h to 20 km / h on asphalt and concrete carriageway, three repetitions with five test drives each. Aquaplaning lengthwise (weighting 20%): Acceleration during passage through a water basin, water depth 7 mm, only the left wheels roll through the water basin, the measured variable is the float speed at which the wheel in question gets a slip of 15%, five test runs per tire model , Aquaplaning transversal (weighting 10%): gradual faster trip on circular path (diameter 200 m) with 20 m long, water-wetted sector, water depth 4 mm, speed increase from 65 km / h to 95 km / h in steps of 5 km / h, measured quantity is the variation in lateral acceleration on the waterway, one measurement run per tire and speed level."

Krzys

 

[xtell]

Originally Posted By: CKN
Moral of the story-

Michelin are the greatest tires in the world. Nothing compares-no matter what your purpose or budget. If you can't afford them-sell your wife or your children-they are worth it.


There...it is settled (but I'm keeping the dog). And by the way, don't buy any LingLong or Gold Coin tires... their [censored]...

 

[Rand]

Originally Posted By: xtell
Originally Posted By: CKN
Moral of the story-

Michelin are the greatest tires in the world. Nothing compares-no matter what your purpose or budget. If you can't afford them-sell your wife or your children-they are worth it.


There...it is settled (but I'm keeping the dog). And by the way, don't buy any LingLong or Gold Coin tires... their [censored]...


No the moral of the story is.. bunch of good tires recommended.. and
Ram_Mann just goes off on a tangent for some tire that doesnt fit his criteria.

Those yokos were good tires 10 years ago.. now you have falkens and other budget tires that handily meet or exceed them.

Would have been much better off with some Conti DWS06,cooper ultra touring W rated or other newer model tire.. even falken fk450 are an amazing value tire..

Yes you had some chinese coopers that didnt balance... doesnt mean all are that way.

Yes some michelin tires had excessive dry rot.. no none of them were the models mentioned for your car.

Please dont "Jack my Jaw " I know the truth hurts.. fortunately your PMs threatening me with violence dont.

P.S. Nice slipping in the brain tumor in this thread that you never previously mentioned... I am curious how a brain tumor heals that swiftly Glad you are feeling better

I for one thought you wrecked your car from falling asleep or drugs glad you cleared that up.

 

[ram_man]

Originally Posted By: Rand
Originally Posted By: xtell
Originally Posted By: CKN
Moral of the story-

Michelin are the greatest tires in the world. Nothing compares-no matter what your purpose or budget. If you can't afford them-sell your wife or your children-they are worth it.


There...it is settled (but I'm keeping the dog). And by the way, don't buy any LingLong or Gold Coin tires... their [censored]...


No the moral of the story is.. bunch of good tires recommended.. and
Ram_Mann just goes off on a tangent for some tire that doesnt fit his criteria.

Those yokos were good tires 10 years ago.. now you have falkens and other budget tires that handily meet or exceed them.

Would have been much better off with some Conti DWS06,cooper ultra touring W rated or other newer model tire.. even falken fk450 are an amazing value tire..

Yes you had some chinese coopers that didnt balance... doesnt mean all are that way.

Yes some michelin tires had excessive dry rot.. no none of them were the models mentioned for your car.

Please dont "Jack my Jaw " I know the truth hurts.. fortunately your PMs threatening me with violence dont.

P.S. Nice slipping in the brain tumor in this thread that you never previously mentioned... I am curious how a brain tumor heals that swiftly Glad you are feeling better

I for one thought you wrecked your car from falling asleep or drugs glad you cleared that up.


I'm going to ignore everything you said except the last question.

I am a huge advocate for what i did and I am blessed it worked. Google Rick Simpson oil. It's cannabis oil. It's expensive but within 62 days it was vastly different in size. The stuff is truly and I realize I annoy the [censored] out of you but with out that stuff I don't know where I'd be.
I also to update got the Yokohamas put on they are satisfactory in every way except I get that same vibration I had with the Coopers. Not quite as bad but still very noticeable.they have balanced them 3 times and I watched the Tires myself and you can see 3 of the 4 hop with 2 that are pretty bad. I am going back again tomorrow to return them the store is rather incompetent. I thought I'd give them a shot since they're under new management and what not but yea awful customer service. So that's what's going on I'll update further once I have better info.

 

[4WD]

Tire balancing can really suffer when folks just want to get you out the door. I was thinking it was two sets, but no - I have had three sets of Discount Tire models rebalanced at independent Goodyear (and none were Goodyear, those DT GY’s were OK) …

BTW: This is in a world with precision machined rims …

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: ram_man

I'm going to ignore everything you said except the last question.

I am a huge advocate for what i did and I am blessed it worked. Google Rick Simpson oil. It's cannabis oil. It's expensive but within 62 days it was vastly different in size. The stuff is truly and I realize I annoy the [censored] out of you but with out that stuff I don't know where I'd be.
I also to update got the Yokohamas put on they are satisfactory in every way except I get that same vibration I had with the Coopers. Not quite as bad but still very noticeable.they have balanced them 3 times and I watched the Tires myself and you can see 3 of the 4 hop with 2 that are pretty bad. I am going back again tomorrow to return them the store is rather incompetent. I thought I'd give them a shot since they're under new management and what not but yea awful customer service. So that's what's going on I'll update further once I have better info.


So, just so I'm clear here:

1. Your new tires do the same thing your old tires did, but you are describing them as "satisfactory". You are also returning them.

2. You had a tumour, and you believe you've cured it using Cannabis Oil.


For #1, this was pretty much the assumed result and it is not surprising. For #2, I would hope that you are visiting a real doctor, who works at a real hospital, and have actual scans to confirm not only your claims, but also proper testing to confirm the diagnosis and whether it was/is cancerous, whether there's malignancy....etc. While we don't get along, due to you never following advice, ever, I wouldn't want you to end up dead.

 

[kschachn]

Color me forever skeptical, but if there even is a Dart, or tires, or cancer I'll be shocked.

Unlike those however, I do believe the part about cannabis oil.

 

[Quattro Pete]

Originally Posted By: ram_man
Google Rick Simpson oil.

If I wasn't skeptical enough before, after googling it, now I certainly am.

Quote:
I also to update got the Yokohamas put on they are satisfactory in every way except I get that same vibration I had with the Coopers. Not quite as bad but still very noticeable.

You must have the worst luck with tires. You've gone through quite a few of them, and so many vibrate. Is it possible it's something to do with your suspension or your rims?

Then again, if the tiger paws did not vibrate, then maybe it is just the tires. Odd nonetheless.

Can you at least go to a reputable shop that knows what they're doing as far as mounting and balancing is concerned so that you at least eliminate one variable: user error?

 

[ram_man]

Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: ram_man

I'm going to ignore everything you said except the last question.

I am a huge advocate for what i did and I am blessed it worked. Google Rick Simpson oil. It's cannabis oil. It's expensive but within 62 days it was vastly different in size. The stuff is truly and I realize I annoy the [censored] out of you but with out that stuff I don't know where I'd be.
I also to update got the Yokohamas put on they are satisfactory in every way except I get that same vibration I had with the Coopers. Not quite as bad but still very noticeable.they have balanced them 3 times and I watched the Tires myself and you can see 3 of the 4 hop with 2 that are pretty bad. I am going back again tomorrow to return them the store is rather incompetent. I thought I'd give them a shot since they're under new management and what not but yea awful customer service. So that's what's going on I'll update further once I have better info.


So, just so I'm clear here:

1. Your new tires do the same thing your old tires did, but you are describing them as "satisfactory". You are also returning them.

2. You had a tumour, and you believe you've cured it using Cannabis Oil.


For #1, this was pretty much the assumed result and it is not surprising. For #2, I would hope that you are visiting a real doctor, who works at a real hospital, and have actual scans to confirm not only your claims, but also proper testing to confirm the diagnosis and whether it was/is cancerous, whether there's malignancy....etc. While we don't get along, due to you never following advice, ever, I wouldn't want you to end up dead.


Of course I'm seeing the epilepsy/ seizure specialist at big st John's in saint Louis. I have 7 MRI now. The doctor could not recommend cannabis oil as it's not legal here but he did tell me he has seen it work. Instead of thinking I am crazy about it go do some research.
Also my doctor couldn't biopsy it as where it was in my Temporal lobe was to sensitive an area. He said radiation would help but likely never fully cure it. That's why I elected to do the route I took

Back on topic. No the tires I had on prior to Friday did not Shake. They were Uniroyals. They were fine only real complaint was wet weather traction.
They installed Yokohamas which are satisfactory except that they vibrate and highway speeds. You can see the low spot in 2 of them very bad and 1 is questionable.

 

[ram_man]

Originally Posted By: kschachn
Color me forever skeptical, but if there even is a Dart, or tires, or cancer I'll be shocked.

Unlike those however, I do believe the part about cannabis oil.


Do you have Facebook you could always find me on there and see for yourself. I am actually president of a dart group locally. We do alot of charity work ect. Having the tumor really made me want to give back and help people so I founded a car group and do just that. Believe it or not this is the ONLY forum or group where I get judged negatively. And honestly I think it's mostly bored people on here just wanting to bring others down. Very sad considering the wealth of knowledge here.

 

[ram_man]

Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: ram_man
Google Rick Simpson oil.

If I wasn't skeptical enough before, after googling it, now I certainly am.

Quote:
I also to update got the Yokohamas put on they are satisfactory in every way except I get that same vibration I had with the Coopers. Not quite as bad but still very noticeable.

You must have the worst luck with tires. You've gone through quite a few of them, and so many vibrate. Is it possible it's something to do with your suspension or your rims?

Then again, if the tiger paws did not vibrate, then maybe it is just the tires. Odd nonetheless.

Can you at least go to a reputable shop that knows what they're doing as far as mounting and balancing is concerned so that you at least eliminate one variable: user error?



Well what I'm learning is around here there isn't many reputable places....mostly back wood rednecks shops that aren't familiar with low profile tires and sticky weights and chains that hire teenage kids who don't care. I'm at ntb as we speak the reviews for this store are decent. So we shall see.

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: ram_man


Of course I'm seeing the epilepsy/ seizure specialist at big st John's in saint Louis. I have 7 MRI now. The doctor could not recommend cannabis oil as it's not legal here but he did tell me he has seen it work. Instead of thinking I am crazy about it go do some research.
Also my doctor couldn't biopsy it as where it was in my Temporal lobe was to sensitive an area. He said radiation would help but likely never fully cure it. That's why I elected to do the route I took


So you do or do not know if it is cancerous then? I would think you don't, given you couldn't have the biopsy, correct? And I'm quite aware as to the treatment ability for MM products with respect to pain relief and symptom relief, my concern stemmed from the fact you seemed to be stating it was a treatment option, which, it is not medically recognized as. Symptom relief does not equal actual treatment, however if it is inoperable, then actual treatment isn't really possible anyways if they can't do localized radiation or surgery.

Good luck either way.

 

[xtell]

Originally Posted By: ram_man
Originally Posted By: kschachn
Color me forever skeptical, but if there even is a Dart, or tires, or cancer I'll be shocked.

Unlike those however, I do believe the part about cannabis oil.


Do you have Facebook you could always find me on there and see for yourself. I am actually president of a dart group locally. We do alot of charity work ect. Having the tumor really made me want to give back and help people so I founded a car group and do just that. Believe it or not this is the ONLY forum or group where I get judged negatively. And honestly I think it's mostly bored people on here just wanting to bring others down. Very sad considering the wealth of knowledge here.


Back to the subject, I'm sticking to my guns and still think the Uniroyal Tiger Paw AWP tires are good tires.