The McJob...The New Normal.

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In my kingdom : ) - no one gets welfare without working for it. Want a check? - here's a low level community job you have to do ...picking up trash, cleaning up graffiti, maintaining parks, cleaning bathrooms at the VA...whatever...you want to eat?..you are darn sure going to do some work to earn that check.

Also anyone going to jail for anything other than simple misdemeanor would be required to work in the jail factory(s) full-time and be paid a market rate salary to: 1)pay their room and board in full 2)learn and certify on a useable skill/trade, 3) pass HS GED test, 4)pay off government legal fees as well as victim remuneration. Anyone choosing not to work a job in jail is free to do so as long as they don't mind not being fed.

But alas the world doesn't let me make the rules.
 
^^^ This is OT, but do you guys have very many Tasmanian Devils in Tasmania? Lol.

Our local zoo used to have 2, but they redid the whole thing a few years ago and got rid of quite a few (what I consider) cool animals.
 
I haven't counted them recently, but yes, we have lots! They are regarded as an endangered species however, their numbers are apparently in decline, largely due to a facial tumor disease. I have to admit, the only ones I've ever seen in the wild were road kill. BTW, they're nothing like Taz!
 
Originally Posted By: dishdude
Originally Posted By: LT4 Vette
Again, higher skill set justified higher pay. This is true for any industry.
I don't disagree, and I get where you're coming from. However multiple posts in multiple threads have left the impression that you feel many people who are earning a decent wage don't deserve it.

In your case, there was no special degree or previous specialized experience that couldn't be taught through a factory training course, so what higher skill set did you bring to the table that someone else with good mechanical aptitude and an attention to detail couldn't?


I never said people don't deserve to earn a decent wage in previous posts, maybe I said some unions (not all) are [censored].
 
Originally Posted By: dishdude
Originally Posted By: LT4 Vette
Again, higher skill set justified higher pay. This is true for any industry.

I don't disagree, and I get where you're coming from. However multiple posts in multiple threads have left the impression that you feel many people who are earning a decent wage don't deserve it.

In your case, there was no special degree or previous specialized experience that couldn't be taught through a factory training course, so what higher skill set did you bring to the table that someone else with good mechanical aptitude and an attention to detail couldn't?

It's been awhile since I've posted in this thread, so I was reading up and noticed your post DD. You asked "..In your case, there was no special degree or previous specialized experience that couldn't be taught through a factory training course, so what higher skill set did you bring to the table that someone else with good mechanical aptitude and an attention to detail couldn't?"

He posted the answer to your question and you completely missed it. The answer is right there on your screen, but you didn't see/understand it. There's a trail of dots to connect and you missed out. The answer lies in seeing the bigger picture. LT4 noticed that, thus his foresight was rewarded.

Not everyone gets this. While you may consider it "not fair", that's life. There was a series of commercials I recall from the 70's "A mind is a terrible thing to waste." True. Unfortunately, it appears many (minds) are wasted (undeveloped) these days...in more ways than one.
 
Real freedom is a place where many never wish to go. It means freedom to fail as well as succeed.

Since far more folks than ever are on some sort of assistance I must regretfully conclude that the original idea of government welfare acting as a springboard back to a regular job has failed miserably...
 
My wife and I have worked our butts off at crummy jobs for years while we were putting ourselves through school.

We now make about $25 per hour, and we both work as many hours as we can to pay off those student loans.

We haven't taken a real vacation in quite a few years, so we do one tank of gas weekend trips which are much cheaper.

Should someone just walk off the streets into a job that pays $15 and demand a living wage, with no experience and no skills? I think not.

I made $8 per hour when I was putting myself through college, and we ate raemen noodles, and kept the heater at 55 degrees because we couldn't afford natural gas bills.

People who rely on the government to change their lives, without any effort on their own part annoy me. Nobody owes you anything.
 
Welfare is inexpensive compared to policing and military state that would otherwise happen.....Also keeps things nice and secure.

I am totally fine with it. If oppurtunity does not exist and they need to eat they turn to crime.

Saying they should get jobs is simple minded. More labor pool draws down the wages even further and makes the scare jobs more scarce. It won't work...
 
Originally Posted By: rjundi
Welfare is inexpensive compared to policing and military state that would otherwise happen.....Also keeps things nice and secure.

I am totally fine with it. If oppurtunity does not exist and they need to eat they turn to crime.

Saying they should get jobs is simple minded. More labor pool draws down the wages even further and makes the scare jobs more scarce. It won't work...


I think this is important. Unfortunately welfare is a price we pay to keep some of the population pacified.

What people need to understand is that jobs are finite, and the more of them we offshore to China or elsewhere in the interest of saving a few pennies in the near-term, the more finite they become.

There always will be opportunity for people looking to better themselves and work for it to do so in the USA, IMO. However, even that is finite in terms of opportunity - if someone moves up, someone else moves down in the reality of limited growth. The problem is the race for the bottom and competing for things that we are self-exporting to the third world in the interest of pennies... Which means those who cant do better than those exported jobs now have to race to the bottom for third-world equivalence, or suck off of welfare.

Originally Posted By: cashmoney
In my kingdom : ) - no one gets welfare without working for it. Want a check? - here's a low level community job you have to do ...picking up trash, cleaning up graffiti, maintaining parks, cleaning bathrooms at the VA...whatever...you want to eat?..you are darn sure going to do some work to earn that check.

Also anyone going to jail for anything other than simple misdemeanor would be required to work in the jail factory(s) full-time and be paid a market rate salary to: 1)pay their room and board in full 2)learn and certify on a useable skill/trade, 3) pass HS GED test, 4)pay off government legal fees as well as victim remuneration. Anyone choosing not to work a job in jail is free to do so as long as they don't mind not being fed.

But alas the world doesn't let me make the rules.


But I do agree with this too. There needs to be some level of prodding to make the system balance. Many humans are lazy or unmotivated. A free check, even if meager, may pacify well enough to remove the rest of their possible motivation. Requiring some in-kind would be beneficial to help "check and balance" that.
 
Originally Posted By: JustinH
My wife and I have worked our butts off at crummy jobs for years while we were putting ourselves through school.

We now make about $25 per hour, and we both work as many hours as we can to pay off those student loans.

We haven't taken a real vacation in quite a few years, so we do one tank of gas weekend trips which are much cheaper.

Should someone just walk off the streets into a job that pays $15 and demand a living wage, with no experience and no skills? I think not.

I made $8 per hour when I was putting myself through college, and we ate raemen noodles, and kept the heater at 55 degrees because we couldn't afford natural gas bills.

People who rely on the government to change their lives, without any effort on their own part annoy me. Nobody owes you anything.



Nicely said - great post.
 
Originally Posted By: rjundi
Welfare is inexpensive compared to policing and military state that would otherwise happen.....Also keeps things nice and secure.

I am totally fine with it. If oppurtunity does not exist and they need to eat they turn to crime.

Saying they should get jobs is simple minded. More labor pool draws down the wages even further and makes the scare jobs more scarce. It won't work...


Agreed, unfortunately there must be "handouts" chaos would ensue otherwise. No matter how much welfare,food stamps etc. bothers a person just think how much better off you are making a living wage.
 
Originally Posted By: rjundi
Welfare is inexpensive compared to policing and military state that would otherwise happen.....Also keeps things nice and secure.

I am totally fine with it. If oppurtunity does not exist and they need to eat they turn to crime.

Saying they should get jobs is simple minded. More labor pool draws down the wages even further and makes the scare jobs more scarce. It won't work...


Time for contraceptives in the water supply. Break the cycle.
 
Originally Posted By: cashmoney
In my kingdom : ) - no one gets welfare without working for it. Want a check? - here's a low level community job you have to do ...picking up trash, cleaning up graffiti, maintaining parks, cleaning bathrooms at the VA...whatever...you want to eat?..you are darn sure going to do some work to earn that check.

Also anyone going to jail for anything other than simple misdemeanor would be required to work in the jail factory(s) full-time and be paid a market rate salary to: 1)pay their room and board in full 2)learn and certify on a useable skill/trade, 3) pass HS GED test, 4)pay off government legal fees as well as victim remuneration. Anyone choosing not to work a job in jail is free to do so as long as they don't mind not being fed.

But alas the world doesn't let me make the rules.


^^This. I agree completely!!
 
sleddriver,

I knew the more training I had and something other people couldn't do would mean better pay. I also did training on phacoemulsifier surgical eye equipment used for cataract operations. This training from Alcon on 3 different machines allowed me to make to earn a nice salary with just a 2 year degree.

I no longer do field service, but still in healthcare.
 
Originally Posted By: LT4 Vette
sleddriver,

I knew the more training I had and something other people couldn't do would mean better pay. I also did training on phacoemulsifier surgical eye equipment used for cataract operations. This training from Alcon on 3 different machines allowed me to make to earn a nice salary with just a 2 year degree.

I no longer do field service, but still in healthcare.


Bingo. Going the distance when others don't or won't makes a difference. Tip of the hat to you for doing so!
 
Originally Posted By: cashmoney
In my kingdom : ) - no one gets welfare without working for it. Want a check? - here's a low level community job you have to do ...picking up trash, cleaning up graffiti, maintaining parks, cleaning bathrooms at the VA...whatever...you want to eat?..you are darn sure going to do some work to earn that check.

Also anyone going to jail for anything other than simple misdemeanor would be required to work in the jail factory(s) full-time and be paid a market rate salary to: 1)pay their room and board in full 2)learn and certify on a useable skill/trade, 3) pass HS GED test, 4)pay off government legal fees as well as victim remuneration. Anyone choosing not to work a job in jail is free to do so as long as they don't mind not being fed.

But alas the world doesn't let me make the rules.


Too bad. I like these rules. If we had these rules there would be far fewer leaches sponging off of the gov....
 
Originally Posted By: bradepb
Originally Posted By: rjundi
Welfare is inexpensive compared to policing and military state that would otherwise happen.....Also keeps things nice and secure.

I am totally fine with it. If oppurtunity does not exist and they need to eat they turn to crime.

Saying they should get jobs is simple minded. More labor pool draws down the wages even further and makes the scare jobs more scarce. It won't work...


Agreed, unfortunately there must be "handouts" chaos would ensue otherwise. No matter how much welfare,food stamps etc. bothers a person just think how much better off you are making a living wage.


Must there be handouts to 50% of our population? That's where we're at and I think this is ridiculously high. 10% I could see, but 50% just sounds like a lot of lazy people who don't WANT to work...
 
Originally Posted By: grampi

Must there be handouts to 50% of our population? That's where we're at and I think this is ridiculously high. 10% I could see, but 50% just sounds like a lot of lazy people who don't WANT to work...


Whenever a talk radio jerk mentions 50% of the population gets a handout, I say, what?

Tax credit to put my kid in daycare so I can work 40 hours? "handout".

Mortgage interest deduction? Handout.

Social security? My state's esteemed governor calls it "welfare".
 
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