Originally Posted by Wolf359
Originally Posted by KrisZ
Originally Posted by Wolf359
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Just curious where these abandoned wind farms you're talking about are. Typically with any industrial project, when they go bankrupt, eventually the price gets so low that someone buys them up and keeps them running. Of course when the economics aren't there, it's common to see a project go bankrupt several times before something finally happens with it. See it all the time at various industrial sites. I think someone at one pointed mentioned some abandoned wind farms in some pass, but when I looked it up, it seemed that someone else had gotten them going again and had updated it. Just like casinos that go bankrupt, eventually someone buys them and they keep running, they don't really get torn down and razed to the ground. Nuclear power was like that at one point too, lots of them went bankrupt when those cost overruns went crazy. Got bought out by different companies and now with repowering, they're making more electricity than before and are profitable. Didn't start out that way.
I still see quite a lot of them on the Altamont pass, which I frequent quite often. The trick is to stay off of the main freeway. If you stay on the 580 freeway you will see all the new turbines. The old ones are hidden away by the hills, but if you take the side roads, there is a whole slew of them. They are not as easy to pick up from a bankrupt company as you make it sound. I think the main reason is because they were abandoned once the state and fed subsidies dried up. After 2008 those subsidies started soaring high again, and guess what? Wind farms are profitable again. Rinse and repeat, all for "sustainable" power and the taxpayer and rate payer ends up footing it all. And from the looks of it, they are extremely happy to do it.
So there aren't really 14,000 abandon windmills out there just rusting away. Altamont pass had 4930 and some have been removed, repowered and it's still in operation, not abandoned.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altamont_Pass_wind_farm
Where did I claim there is 14000 of them being abandoned?
Originally Posted by KrisZ
Originally Posted by Wolf359
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Just curious where these abandoned wind farms you're talking about are. Typically with any industrial project, when they go bankrupt, eventually the price gets so low that someone buys them up and keeps them running. Of course when the economics aren't there, it's common to see a project go bankrupt several times before something finally happens with it. See it all the time at various industrial sites. I think someone at one pointed mentioned some abandoned wind farms in some pass, but when I looked it up, it seemed that someone else had gotten them going again and had updated it. Just like casinos that go bankrupt, eventually someone buys them and they keep running, they don't really get torn down and razed to the ground. Nuclear power was like that at one point too, lots of them went bankrupt when those cost overruns went crazy. Got bought out by different companies and now with repowering, they're making more electricity than before and are profitable. Didn't start out that way.
I still see quite a lot of them on the Altamont pass, which I frequent quite often. The trick is to stay off of the main freeway. If you stay on the 580 freeway you will see all the new turbines. The old ones are hidden away by the hills, but if you take the side roads, there is a whole slew of them. They are not as easy to pick up from a bankrupt company as you make it sound. I think the main reason is because they were abandoned once the state and fed subsidies dried up. After 2008 those subsidies started soaring high again, and guess what? Wind farms are profitable again. Rinse and repeat, all for "sustainable" power and the taxpayer and rate payer ends up footing it all. And from the looks of it, they are extremely happy to do it.
So there aren't really 14,000 abandon windmills out there just rusting away. Altamont pass had 4930 and some have been removed, repowered and it's still in operation, not abandoned.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altamont_Pass_wind_farm
Where did I claim there is 14000 of them being abandoned?
