The charging stations are a bigger deal than most people realize.
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Originally Posted by Trav
The charging stations are a bigger deal than most people realize.
Claiming 55k places to charge … hope they checked the flood maps
https://www.porsche.com/usa/aboutporsche/e-performance/charging-on-the-road/
The charging stations are a bigger deal than most people realize.
Claiming 55k places to charge … hope they checked the flood maps
https://www.porsche.com/usa/aboutporsche/e-performance/charging-on-the-road/
Originally Posted by bbhero
Originally Posted by Trav
No kidding! I was thinking about Pocahontas when I posted that.
I agree...
And The Guardian... A moonbat way out there paper used to promote a agenda... Should automatically be trusted right
LOL ....attack that data while posting none. Classic bitog value add.
So what are the numbers that created the multi billion dollar fines?
UD
Originally Posted by Trav
No kidding! I was thinking about Pocahontas when I posted that.
I agree...
And The Guardian... A moonbat way out there paper used to promote a agenda... Should automatically be trusted right
LOL ....attack that data while posting none. Classic bitog value add.
So what are the numbers that created the multi billion dollar fines?
UD
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Originally Posted by 4WD
Originally Posted by Trav
The charging stations are a bigger deal than most people realize.
Claiming 55k places to charge … hope they checked the flood maps
https://www.porsche.com/usa/aboutporsche/e-performance/charging-on-the-road/
Between houses, campgrounds, dealerships, and hotels there are probably 100K places to charge any car.
The real question is how many of those chargers are within an exit ramp of a major freeway and how fast and available are they.
For Porsche - this number drops to a number so low so as to make it unusable as a vehicle on a road trip.
UD
Originally Posted by Trav
The charging stations are a bigger deal than most people realize.
Claiming 55k places to charge … hope they checked the flood maps
https://www.porsche.com/usa/aboutporsche/e-performance/charging-on-the-road/
Between houses, campgrounds, dealerships, and hotels there are probably 100K places to charge any car.
The real question is how many of those chargers are within an exit ramp of a major freeway and how fast and available are they.
For Porsche - this number drops to a number so low so as to make it unusable as a vehicle on a road trip.
UD
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I don't doubt that at all … when I drive (even to the edge) to Houston I'm seeing new Tesla charging stations added where clusters of shopping and eating places are … All directions
The number I don't have is how many were out there when the first few model S cars hit the road.
A JV between them would be wise … but comparing the cost of what Jeff bought to the Porsche ? … there will be only a handful sold here … for sure more in CA … but still a ratio since the average Joe can't afford one …
The number I don't have is how many were out there when the first few model S cars hit the road.
A JV between them would be wise … but comparing the cost of what Jeff bought to the Porsche ? … there will be only a handful sold here … for sure more in CA … but still a ratio since the average Joe can't afford one …
Originally Posted by 4WD
I don't doubt that at all … when I drive (even to the edge) to Houston I'm seeing new Tesla charging stations added where clusters of shopping and eating places are … All directions
The number I don't have is how many were out there when the first few model S cars hit the road.
A JV between them would be wise … but comparing the cost of what Jeff bought to the Porsche ? … there will be only a handful sold here … for sure more in CA … but still a ratio since the average Joe can't afford one …
A JV would be great for Porsche and offer little for Tesla owners.
Porsche high speed chargers are almost all at dealerships which aren't anywhere near major freeways.
I don't doubt that at all … when I drive (even to the edge) to Houston I'm seeing new Tesla charging stations added where clusters of shopping and eating places are … All directions
The number I don't have is how many were out there when the first few model S cars hit the road.
A JV between them would be wise … but comparing the cost of what Jeff bought to the Porsche ? … there will be only a handful sold here … for sure more in CA … but still a ratio since the average Joe can't afford one …
A JV would be great for Porsche and offer little for Tesla owners.
Porsche high speed chargers are almost all at dealerships which aren't anywhere near major freeways.
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Remember, Musk's stated goal is to make EVs for the masses.
Tesla built the Model S to learn how to build an electric Civic.
$100K cars are outta reach for most, and for people that could buy one, well, IMO, there are better things to do with $$.
We bought the Model 3 because of the tax credit, the interest in the technology and because we were lucky enough to afford it.
I consider the car a toy; it sure is a fun one I can tell you that. And it is hugely practical. It has a full tank every morning!
I bet every naysayer, if they took it for a spin, would flat-out love it.
And AP executing a perfect lane change at 75 MPH will make you change your shorts...
Now a red 356B Coupe would be a great set of wheels, albeit in a different way.
Tesla built the Model S to learn how to build an electric Civic.
$100K cars are outta reach for most, and for people that could buy one, well, IMO, there are better things to do with $$.
We bought the Model 3 because of the tax credit, the interest in the technology and because we were lucky enough to afford it.
I consider the car a toy; it sure is a fun one I can tell you that. And it is hugely practical. It has a full tank every morning!
I bet every naysayer, if they took it for a spin, would flat-out love it.
And AP executing a perfect lane change at 75 MPH will make you change your shorts...
Now a red 356B Coupe would be a great set of wheels, albeit in a different way.
Originally Posted by UncleDave
Originally Posted by bbhero
Originally Posted by Trav
No kidding! I was thinking about Pocahontas when I posted that.
I agree...
And The Guardian... A moonbat way out there paper used to promote a agenda... Should automatically be trusted right
LOL ....attack that data while posting none. Classic bitog value add.
So what are the numbers that created the multi billion dollar fines?
UD
You call that ginned up hogwash from some morons imagination "Data"? Gimme a break. NOx emissions from the teepee are a bigger problem. Prove me wrong, post some "data". LOL
Originally Posted by bbhero
Originally Posted by Trav
No kidding! I was thinking about Pocahontas when I posted that.
I agree...
And The Guardian... A moonbat way out there paper used to promote a agenda... Should automatically be trusted right
LOL ....attack that data while posting none. Classic bitog value add.
So what are the numbers that created the multi billion dollar fines?
UD
You call that ginned up hogwash from some morons imagination "Data"? Gimme a break. NOx emissions from the teepee are a bigger problem. Prove me wrong, post some "data". LOL
Originally Posted by JeffKeryk
Originally Posted by DoubleWasp
That's a very complex way of stating "Ends justifies the means".
We can hash over the successes of the corporate attitude, but I think you'd be unhappy when I brought up its failures.
Same goes for "great visionaries".
The long story made short is that success and influence are no excuse. I know and have known a lot of successful people who have this attitude. It's no less disgusting coming from them than anyone else.
I see your point, but it takes a really strong leader and executive staff to make hard decisions and to get big things done. Like the digital age...
At the top, people are brutal.
Steve Jobs and Bill Gates are legendary boardroom tyrants.
Same with sports.
The GB Packers used to say Vince Lombardi treated everyone the same,"He treated us all like dogs." Later Paul Hornung said Lombardi rescued the team.
I was pushed hard in Silicon Valley by my brutal, totally unfair boss (and others), to say the very least. I was also given incredible stock options to develop and support a mission critical software application.
While I was disgusted many times, I loved the pressure. I thrived in it. Many fell by the wayside. I was there 17 wonderful years.
No pain no gain, I'm afraid.
That's my experience.
Fair enough, but what we have gotten from Musk goes well beyond forceful management and is well into the territory of Charlatanism and open fraud.
Beyond that, there is always the question of "Is this really what it takes, or just what we have been willing to put up with?"
It wasn't that long ago that putting a human being is chains and beating them was par for the course of making a big thing happen. Placing a child in front of a machine with a high likelihood of dismemberment was a given as well.
There's a very thin line between a Vince Lombardi and a Bobby Knight or Jerry Sandusky.
Originally Posted by DoubleWasp
That's a very complex way of stating "Ends justifies the means".
We can hash over the successes of the corporate attitude, but I think you'd be unhappy when I brought up its failures.
Same goes for "great visionaries".
The long story made short is that success and influence are no excuse. I know and have known a lot of successful people who have this attitude. It's no less disgusting coming from them than anyone else.
I see your point, but it takes a really strong leader and executive staff to make hard decisions and to get big things done. Like the digital age...
At the top, people are brutal.
Steve Jobs and Bill Gates are legendary boardroom tyrants.
Same with sports.
The GB Packers used to say Vince Lombardi treated everyone the same,"He treated us all like dogs." Later Paul Hornung said Lombardi rescued the team.
I was pushed hard in Silicon Valley by my brutal, totally unfair boss (and others), to say the very least. I was also given incredible stock options to develop and support a mission critical software application.
While I was disgusted many times, I loved the pressure. I thrived in it. Many fell by the wayside. I was there 17 wonderful years.
No pain no gain, I'm afraid.
That's my experience.
Fair enough, but what we have gotten from Musk goes well beyond forceful management and is well into the territory of Charlatanism and open fraud.
Beyond that, there is always the question of "Is this really what it takes, or just what we have been willing to put up with?"
It wasn't that long ago that putting a human being is chains and beating them was par for the course of making a big thing happen. Placing a child in front of a machine with a high likelihood of dismemberment was a given as well.
There's a very thin line between a Vince Lombardi and a Bobby Knight or Jerry Sandusky.
Originally Posted by Trav
You call that ginned up hogwash from some morons imagination "Data"? Gimme a break. NOx emissions from the teepee are a bigger problem. Prove me wrong, post some "data". LOL
Why is VW leadership in cuffs and jumpsuits?
Because everyone's a moron ?
Why is volkswagen paying billions in fines ?
Cant find anything on VW dieselgate? Try hard did you?
Even you can do better than that.
https://www.epa.gov/enforcement/volkswagen-clean-air-act-civil-settlement
https://fortune.com/2018/02/06/volkswagen-vw-emissions-scandal-penalties/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_emissions_scandal
You call that ginned up hogwash from some morons imagination "Data"? Gimme a break. NOx emissions from the teepee are a bigger problem. Prove me wrong, post some "data". LOL
Why is VW leadership in cuffs and jumpsuits?
Because everyone's a moron ?
Why is volkswagen paying billions in fines ?
Cant find anything on VW dieselgate? Try hard did you?
Even you can do better than that.
https://www.epa.gov/enforcement/volkswagen-clean-air-act-civil-settlement
https://fortune.com/2018/02/06/volkswagen-vw-emissions-scandal-penalties/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_emissions_scandal
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Originally Posted by DoubleWasp
Fair enough, but what we have gotten from Musk goes well beyond forceful management and is well into the territory of Charlatanism and open fraud.
Beyond that, there is always the question of "Is this really what it takes, or just what we have been willing to put up with?"
It wasn't that long ago that putting a human being is chains and beating them was par for the course of making a big thing happen. Placing a child in front of a machine with a high likelihood of dismemberment was a given as well.
There's a very thin line between a Vince Lombardi and a Bobby Knight or Jerry Sandusky.
Are you really comparing working at Tesla with Child labor and humans in chains?
Never heard any of that, but the UAW is known to make comparisons like that (while stealing constituents money and building water front property with it)
Anywhere I can read up on these practices?
UD
Fair enough, but what we have gotten from Musk goes well beyond forceful management and is well into the territory of Charlatanism and open fraud.
Beyond that, there is always the question of "Is this really what it takes, or just what we have been willing to put up with?"
It wasn't that long ago that putting a human being is chains and beating them was par for the course of making a big thing happen. Placing a child in front of a machine with a high likelihood of dismemberment was a given as well.
There's a very thin line between a Vince Lombardi and a Bobby Knight or Jerry Sandusky.
Are you really comparing working at Tesla with Child labor and humans in chains?
Never heard any of that, but the UAW is known to make comparisons like that (while stealing constituents money and building water front property with it)
Anywhere I can read up on these practices?
UD
We are not on the same sheet of music. I was addressing the death toll numbers you posted which no one could ever prove one way or another that this or that was 100% the cause, if it fits the agenda of the day then it did.
My boss years ago died of lung cancer, they wrote lung cancer due to cigarette smoking as the cause. The problem is he never smoked, not one day on his life.
His family challenged it it but I have no idea what the outcome was. The point is, his death fit their agenda even if they get a few of the small facts wrong.
The other point is, laws were broken, crimes committed and all the rest of it but how much harm was really caused by it?
They don't know, you don't know and I don't know and never will, they are not even guessing just pulling numbers ginned up by someone else.. I suggest leaving this subject alone before the thread gets locked.
My boss years ago died of lung cancer, they wrote lung cancer due to cigarette smoking as the cause. The problem is he never smoked, not one day on his life.
His family challenged it it but I have no idea what the outcome was. The point is, his death fit their agenda even if they get a few of the small facts wrong.
The other point is, laws were broken, crimes committed and all the rest of it but how much harm was really caused by it?
They don't know, you don't know and I don't know and never will, they are not even guessing just pulling numbers ginned up by someone else.. I suggest leaving this subject alone before the thread gets locked.
Originally Posted by Trav
We are not on the same sheet of music. I was addressing the death toll numbers you posted which no one could ever prove one way or another that this or that was 100% the cause, if it fits the agenda of the day then it did.
My boss years ago died of lung cancer, they wrote lung cancer due to cigarette smoking as the cause. The problem is he never smoked, not one day on his life.
His family challenged it it but I have no idea what the outcome was. The point is, his death fit their agenda even if they get a few of the small facts wrong.
The other point is, laws were broken, crimes committed and all the rest of it but how much harm was really caused by it?
They don't know, you don't know and I don't know and never will, they are not even guessing just pulling numbers ginned up by someone else.. I suggest leaving this subject alone before the thread gets locked.
Trav - lets say we cant tell the exact scope of public harm.
11M vehicles with nox levels 10-40X the legal amount is a huge amount of pollution.
How about we not claim (or back the claim) VW didnt jeopardize public safety which they CLEARLY did.
Cadogans take is entertaining as is the trail of deception VW waged.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VZFP3lW4gU
We are not on the same sheet of music. I was addressing the death toll numbers you posted which no one could ever prove one way or another that this or that was 100% the cause, if it fits the agenda of the day then it did.
My boss years ago died of lung cancer, they wrote lung cancer due to cigarette smoking as the cause. The problem is he never smoked, not one day on his life.
His family challenged it it but I have no idea what the outcome was. The point is, his death fit their agenda even if they get a few of the small facts wrong.
The other point is, laws were broken, crimes committed and all the rest of it but how much harm was really caused by it?
They don't know, you don't know and I don't know and never will, they are not even guessing just pulling numbers ginned up by someone else.. I suggest leaving this subject alone before the thread gets locked.
Trav - lets say we cant tell the exact scope of public harm.
11M vehicles with nox levels 10-40X the legal amount is a huge amount of pollution.
How about we not claim (or back the claim) VW didnt jeopardize public safety which they CLEARLY did.
Cadogans take is entertaining as is the trail of deception VW waged.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VZFP3lW4gU
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Originally Posted by UncleDave
Originally Posted by Trav
We are not on the same sheet of music. I was addressing the death toll numbers you posted which no one could ever prove one way or another that this or that was 100% the cause, if it fits the agenda of the day then it did.
My boss years ago died of lung cancer, they wrote lung cancer due to cigarette smoking as the cause. The problem is he never smoked, not one day on his life.
His family challenged it it but I have no idea what the outcome was. The point is, his death fit their agenda even if they get a few of the small facts wrong.
The other point is, laws were broken, crimes committed and all the rest of it but how much harm was really caused by it?
They don't know, you don't know and I don't know and never will, they are not even guessing just pulling numbers ginned up by someone else.. I suggest leaving this subject alone before the thread gets locked.
Trav - lets say we cant tell the exact scope of public harm.
11M vehicles with nox levels 10-40X the legal amount is a huge amount of pollution.
How about we not claim (or back the claim) VW didnt jeopardize public safety which they CLEARLY did.
Cadogans take is entertaining as is the trail of deception VW waged.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VZFP3lW4gU
McDonalds has done 1000x more to kill people. I mean, technically I can see where you're going with it, but really, it feels more like that millenial tweeting about the evils of Capitalism from their iPhone X, or the Boomer ranting about how they only buy American goods, *posted from Samsung Galaxy S9*, etc.
Originally Posted by Trav
We are not on the same sheet of music. I was addressing the death toll numbers you posted which no one could ever prove one way or another that this or that was 100% the cause, if it fits the agenda of the day then it did.
My boss years ago died of lung cancer, they wrote lung cancer due to cigarette smoking as the cause. The problem is he never smoked, not one day on his life.
His family challenged it it but I have no idea what the outcome was. The point is, his death fit their agenda even if they get a few of the small facts wrong.
The other point is, laws were broken, crimes committed and all the rest of it but how much harm was really caused by it?
They don't know, you don't know and I don't know and never will, they are not even guessing just pulling numbers ginned up by someone else.. I suggest leaving this subject alone before the thread gets locked.
Trav - lets say we cant tell the exact scope of public harm.
11M vehicles with nox levels 10-40X the legal amount is a huge amount of pollution.
How about we not claim (or back the claim) VW didnt jeopardize public safety which they CLEARLY did.
Cadogans take is entertaining as is the trail of deception VW waged.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VZFP3lW4gU
McDonalds has done 1000x more to kill people. I mean, technically I can see where you're going with it, but really, it feels more like that millenial tweeting about the evils of Capitalism from their iPhone X, or the Boomer ranting about how they only buy American goods, *posted from Samsung Galaxy S9*, etc.
Originally Posted by Ws6
Originally Posted by UncleDave
Originally Posted by Trav
We are not on the same sheet of music. I was addressing the death toll numbers you posted which no one could ever prove one way or another that this or that was 100% the cause, if it fits the agenda of the day then it did.
My boss years ago died of lung cancer, they wrote lung cancer due to cigarette smoking as the cause. The problem is he never smoked, not one day on his life.
His family challenged it it but I have no idea what the outcome was. The point is, his death fit their agenda even if they get a few of the small facts wrong.
The other point is, laws were broken, crimes committed and all the rest of it but how much harm was really caused by it?
They don't know, you don't know and I don't know and never will, they are not even guessing just pulling numbers ginned up by someone else.. I suggest leaving this subject alone before the thread gets locked.
Trav - lets say we cant tell the exact scope of public harm.
11M vehicles with nox levels 10-40X the legal amount is a huge amount of pollution.
How about we not claim (or back the claim) VW didnt jeopardize public safety which they CLEARLY did.
Cadogans take is entertaining as is the trail of deception VW waged.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VZFP3lW4gU
McDonalds has done 1000x more to kill people. I mean, technically I can see where you're going with it, but really, it feels more like that millenial tweeting about the evils of Capitalism from their iPhone X, or the Boomer ranting about how they only buy American goods, *posted from Samsung Galaxy S9*, etc.
Mcdonalds management isnt in jail.
Cant you just concede your claim isnt accurate rather than misdirecting?
UD
Originally Posted by UncleDave
Originally Posted by Trav
We are not on the same sheet of music. I was addressing the death toll numbers you posted which no one could ever prove one way or another that this or that was 100% the cause, if it fits the agenda of the day then it did.
My boss years ago died of lung cancer, they wrote lung cancer due to cigarette smoking as the cause. The problem is he never smoked, not one day on his life.
His family challenged it it but I have no idea what the outcome was. The point is, his death fit their agenda even if they get a few of the small facts wrong.
The other point is, laws were broken, crimes committed and all the rest of it but how much harm was really caused by it?
They don't know, you don't know and I don't know and never will, they are not even guessing just pulling numbers ginned up by someone else.. I suggest leaving this subject alone before the thread gets locked.
Trav - lets say we cant tell the exact scope of public harm.
11M vehicles with nox levels 10-40X the legal amount is a huge amount of pollution.
How about we not claim (or back the claim) VW didnt jeopardize public safety which they CLEARLY did.
Cadogans take is entertaining as is the trail of deception VW waged.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VZFP3lW4gU
McDonalds has done 1000x more to kill people. I mean, technically I can see where you're going with it, but really, it feels more like that millenial tweeting about the evils of Capitalism from their iPhone X, or the Boomer ranting about how they only buy American goods, *posted from Samsung Galaxy S9*, etc.
Mcdonalds management isnt in jail.
Cant you just concede your claim isnt accurate rather than misdirecting?
UD
Originally Posted by UncleDave
Originally Posted by Ws6
Originally Posted by UncleDave
Originally Posted by Trav
We are not on the same sheet of music. I was addressing the death toll numbers you posted which no one could ever prove one way or another that this or that was 100% the cause, if it fits the agenda of the day then it did.
My boss years ago died of lung cancer, they wrote lung cancer due to cigarette smoking as the cause. The problem is he never smoked, not one day on his life.
His family challenged it it but I have no idea what the outcome was. The point is, his death fit their agenda even if they get a few of the small facts wrong.
The other point is, laws were broken, crimes committed and all the rest of it but how much harm was really caused by it?
They don't know, you don't know and I don't know and never will, they are not even guessing just pulling numbers ginned up by someone else.. I suggest leaving this subject alone before the thread gets locked.
Trav - lets say we cant tell the exact scope of public harm.
11M vehicles with nox levels 10-40X the legal amount is a huge amount of pollution.
How about we not claim (or back the claim) VW didnt jeopardize public safety which they CLEARLY did.
Cadogans take is entertaining as is the trail of deception VW waged.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VZFP3lW4gU
McDonalds has done 1000x more to kill people. I mean, technically I can see where you're going with it, but really, it feels more like that millenial tweeting about the evils of Capitalism from their iPhone X, or the Boomer ranting about how they only buy American goods, *posted from Samsung Galaxy S9*, etc.
Mcdonalds management isnt in jail.
Cant you just concede your claim isnt accurate rather than misdirecting?
UD
The court system has very little to do with morality...
Now, what point, specifically, are you saying I'm wrong about? That I dont feel VW harmed consumers? I still dont feel they did, enough to raise my ire. I mean, we can argue that everyone harms people to a certain extent and just refuse to buy anything. I guess what I'm saying is sure, they produce emissions. Actually, Jeep, hyundai, and many others also were shown to be producing high levels of NOx...levels arbitrarily decided on by a court, not that others didnt also produce them, just that they crossed the magic threshold.
Originally Posted by Ws6
Originally Posted by UncleDave
Originally Posted by Trav
We are not on the same sheet of music. I was addressing the death toll numbers you posted which no one could ever prove one way or another that this or that was 100% the cause, if it fits the agenda of the day then it did.
My boss years ago died of lung cancer, they wrote lung cancer due to cigarette smoking as the cause. The problem is he never smoked, not one day on his life.
His family challenged it it but I have no idea what the outcome was. The point is, his death fit their agenda even if they get a few of the small facts wrong.
The other point is, laws were broken, crimes committed and all the rest of it but how much harm was really caused by it?
They don't know, you don't know and I don't know and never will, they are not even guessing just pulling numbers ginned up by someone else.. I suggest leaving this subject alone before the thread gets locked.
Trav - lets say we cant tell the exact scope of public harm.
11M vehicles with nox levels 10-40X the legal amount is a huge amount of pollution.
How about we not claim (or back the claim) VW didnt jeopardize public safety which they CLEARLY did.
Cadogans take is entertaining as is the trail of deception VW waged.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VZFP3lW4gU
McDonalds has done 1000x more to kill people. I mean, technically I can see where you're going with it, but really, it feels more like that millenial tweeting about the evils of Capitalism from their iPhone X, or the Boomer ranting about how they only buy American goods, *posted from Samsung Galaxy S9*, etc.
Mcdonalds management isnt in jail.
Cant you just concede your claim isnt accurate rather than misdirecting?
UD
The court system has very little to do with morality...
Now, what point, specifically, are you saying I'm wrong about? That I dont feel VW harmed consumers? I still dont feel they did, enough to raise my ire. I mean, we can argue that everyone harms people to a certain extent and just refuse to buy anything. I guess what I'm saying is sure, they produce emissions. Actually, Jeep, hyundai, and many others also were shown to be producing high levels of NOx...levels arbitrarily decided on by a court, not that others didnt also produce them, just that they crossed the magic threshold.
VWs diesel gate was not about protecting the public, if it was Takata executives would be in jail long time ago.
VW, however, was flatly refusing to back up EVs as viable and were opposed to the idea. And being one of the biggest auto manufacturers in the world, their opinion about EVs carried over to others.
Now look how their stance has changed 180.
As much as I like Tesla as cars, EVs are not the answer to a greener future.
VW, however, was flatly refusing to back up EVs as viable and were opposed to the idea. And being one of the biggest auto manufacturers in the world, their opinion about EVs carried over to others.
Now look how their stance has changed 180.
As much as I like Tesla as cars, EVs are not the answer to a greener future.
This is true, back to the McDonalds/fast food business for a minute. They push products that promote obesity and other ailments that really kill people, they even advertise on TV 2 for $5 and all sorts of stuff to push even more of this garbage and even lace it with chemicals to create cravings for more of it, most is it not fit for human consumption with its preservatives, colorings and chemicals yet no one makes a move on them or calls them out and certainly no one would dream of charging them with a crime.
https://www.cheatsheet.com/health-f...r-will-make-you-rethink-everything.html/
https://www.cheatsheet.com/health-f...r-will-make-you-rethink-everything.html/
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