SuperTech Syn SM 10,220 mi 06 scion tc (2AZ-FE)

[Artem]

Originally Posted By: qr25de
Originally Posted By: dsmdriver2588
Originally Posted By: 3311
Thanks for posting this. Now why not take your roving bands of street "racers" out to Speed World in Bithlo and get off the street? Here is a link: http://www.speedworlddragway.com/index.html

Smarten up!


ok, thanks for the link. I appreciate it.


Whilst I agree that street racing is dangerous, it is hypocritical and ignorant to place the closest facility a three hour drive away from where most people live. I typically shut down at 140 km/h'ish and never really give it 100% on the street but there are many times where street "racing" is perfectly fine. And, since most "streets" are within civilization, the response time from EMS is hundreds of times better than going to the track. Also, if I crash on the street, I get insurance. If I crash on the track, I get jack squat.

I'm not condoning the actions of F&F'ers by any means but there is a time and place for everything and the "track" is hardly the sun-lit, rainbow covered place that non-enthusiasts claim it is.


Nicely said.

 

[3311]

Originally Posted By: qr25de
Originally Posted By: dsmdriver2588
Originally Posted By: 3311
Thanks for posting this. Now why not take your roving bands of street "racers" out to Speed World in Bithlo and get off the street? Here is a link: http://www.speedworlddragway.com/index.html

Smarten up!


ok, thanks for the link. I appreciate it.


Whilst I agree that street racing is dangerous, it is hypocritical and ignorant to place the closest facility a three hour drive away from where most people live. I typically shut down at 140 km/h'ish and never really give it 100% on the street but there are many times where street "racing" is perfectly fine. And, since most "streets" are within civilization, the response time from EMS is hundreds of times better than going to the track. Also, if I crash on the street, I get insurance. If I crash on the track, I get jack squat.

I'm not condoning the actions of F&F'ers by any means but there is a time and place for everything and the "track" is hardly the sun-lit, rainbow covered place that non-enthusiasts claim it is.
Originally Posted By: Artem
Originally Posted By: qr25de
Originally Posted By: dsmdriver2588
Originally Posted By: 3311
Thanks for posting this. Now why not take your roving bands of street "racers" out to Speed World in Bithlo and get off the street? Here is a link: http://www.speedworlddragway.com/index.html

Smarten up!


ok, thanks for the link. I appreciate it.


Whilst I agree that street racing is dangerous, it is hypocritical and ignorant to place the closest facility a three hour drive away from where most people live. I typically shut down at 140 km/h'ish and never really give it 100% on the street but there are many times where street "racing" is perfectly fine. And, since most "streets" are within civilization, the response time from EMS is hundreds of times better than going to the track. Also, if I crash on the street, I get insurance. If I crash on the track, I get jack squat.

I'm not condoning the actions of F&F'ers by any means but there is a time and place for everything and the "track" is hardly the sun-lit, rainbow covered place that non-enthusiasts claim it is.


Nicely said.

This post is so insanely stupid it's a joke correct? You guys are messing with me?

 

[R2d2]

They must be, its one of the most stupid posts I've heard in a while. It sort of makes me happy when I catch one of these street racers and sieze there car and put them in the system for reckless driving.

 

[dsmdriver2588]

Totally agree with dnewtons response.

+1

Originally Posted By: dnewton3
Originally Posted By: Brons2
Great report from a wear metal perspective, but I think the oil itself is weak sauce from an additive perspective. I'd spend a few more bucks for something else. PP, QSUD, or SN M1.


I'll differ here.

If his intent is to OCI every 10k miles or so, he's found the least cost, safe and effective fluid. Why spend more?

If his intent is to go well past 10k miles, then perhaps a higher end product might be in view.

When you look at VOAs, there are many times when ST fluids play right in line with all the other big brand names. That in mind, I don't know that a different fluid is an assurance of more mileage. It may or may not be true. If he wants to try it; there is no reason not to. But if he's happy with 10-12k miles, he's found great protection for the least cost.

The wear here is so low that any shift +/- a few ppm is just noise. Therefore, an upper end syn product would not appreciably reduce wear any more than the ultra low numbers that already exist. (Cu and Pb are already so low here that you can't expect any "better"; just what would a premium syn do? Would it somehow add Cu and Pb back onto the bearing shell and replate the wear surface??? Now THAT would be an impressive feat!) I suppose Fe could be brought down, but to be a truly viable effort, it would have to come down lower than the standard deviation ppm shift; hard to imagine Fe at 3-5ppm for 12k miles. I'd have to see the UOA to believe it. The ST syn wear rate for Fe is 1.3ppm/1k miles. How much lower could it realistically be? The "average" Fe wear rate is 2.7ppm/1k miles; he's at half that with the ST syn. For a competing syn product to be "better", it would have to go well under 1.0ppm/1k miles for Fe. And don't forget that the Cu and Pb were at 1/2 the "average" but at 2x the distance; in essence, the wear rates for those metals were 1/4 the "average"!

He went nearly 2x the univ avg distance, and got at and less than "normal" wear for his metals. I don't see the statistical opportunity to call anything "better" at this OCI duration. So, the ONLY way a more expensive syn product could outperform the ST syn would be to go for much more distance. If that is in his plan, a more expensive syn might make sense. But to get the value out of it, it would have to perform on a level = or > than the cost ratio increase. If it cost him 2x more money, the product would have to go 20-24k miles with the same wear rates.

If he plans to stick around 10-12k miles, I don't think there is any plausible way to out-do this particular maintenance plan. Outstanding wear; maximized return; minimal cost. To buy a more expensive product and get the same statistical results would be a step backwards. Only if he could greatly extend the OCI, and yet net the same wear rates, would a premium syn be "better".

 

[johnachak]

Originally Posted By: rjacket
I am becoming increasingly surprised reading Blackstone's comments. If the TBN is 1.0 at 10k mark, how can they suggest extending it to 12k to 15k next time?


They did mention to try a different oil to extend the OCI. Which really is like apples and oranges...