I don't mind feature on wife's VW Tiguan. Don't think much of it.
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Daughter in Laws Escape system is excellent . Really not noticeable to the point one would object. It has a dash switch that turns the function off but you must do it every time you start the car. I was able to just ease off the brake pedal a bit after stopping and that would keep the engine running. In the end I put it in sport mode instead of drive and that turns the system off....Like the shift points better in Sport mode anyway
Originally Posted by aquariuscsm
Won't this feature destroy the engine via startup wear?
Yes, and no. The redesigned engine in the 2014 Chevrolet Corvette uses Federal-Mogul's IROX coating, and other bearing manufacturers all have polymer-coated bearings these days. http://www.autonews.com/article/20130520/OEM03/305209982/chafing-against-engine-friction
Won't this feature destroy the engine via startup wear?
Yes, and no. The redesigned engine in the 2014 Chevrolet Corvette uses Federal-Mogul's IROX coating, and other bearing manufacturers all have polymer-coated bearings these days. http://www.autonews.com/article/20130520/OEM03/305209982/chafing-against-engine-friction
Originally Posted by MCompact
Originally Posted by CR94
True, but Grandpa's Oldsmobile didn't have it, so it's evil ...
This^^^
How about keeping the vehicles A/C cold in the hot sticky weather and the heat hot in the cold winters with super long lights? It's not all about us not liking new features you know. Just because it wouldn't bother you doesn't mean it should be forced down consumers throats.
Originally Posted by CR94
True, but Grandpa's Oldsmobile didn't have it, so it's evil ...
This^^^
How about keeping the vehicles A/C cold in the hot sticky weather and the heat hot in the cold winters with super long lights? It's not all about us not liking new features you know. Just because it wouldn't bother you doesn't mean it should be forced down consumers throats.
Originally Posted by StevieC
How about keeping the vehicles A/C cold in the hot sticky weather and the heat hot in the cold winters with super long lights? It's not all about us not liking new features you know. Just because it wouldn't bother you doesn't mean it should be forced down consumers throats.
While I do agree that you should be able to default start/stop to off, my F22 restarts the engine if necessary to keep the interior at the selected temperature; in fact, it was working just fine today in full sun with a heat index approaching 100 degrees.
How about keeping the vehicles A/C cold in the hot sticky weather and the heat hot in the cold winters with super long lights? It's not all about us not liking new features you know. Just because it wouldn't bother you doesn't mean it should be forced down consumers throats.
While I do agree that you should be able to default start/stop to off, my F22 restarts the engine if necessary to keep the interior at the selected temperature; in fact, it was working just fine today in full sun with a heat index approaching 100 degrees.
Originally Posted by billt460
Originally Posted by fcjeep
"I hope they will have something in the aftermarket to plug in and turn it off. Driving on L.I. in traffic with it would drive me out of my mind."
AGREED!!!
They already do.
https://www.smartstopstart.com/
That's looks pretty good.
I'll save that link for future reference. Thanks.
Originally Posted by fcjeep
"I hope they will have something in the aftermarket to plug in and turn it off. Driving on L.I. in traffic with it would drive me out of my mind."
AGREED!!!
They already do.
https://www.smartstopstart.com/
That's looks pretty good.
I'll save that link for future reference. Thanks.
Originally Posted by StevieC
Originally Posted by MCompact
Originally Posted by CR94
True, but Grandpa's Oldsmobile didn't have it, so it's evil ...
This^^^
How about keeping the vehicles A/C cold in the hot sticky weather and the heat hot in the cold winters with super long lights? It's not all about us not liking new features you know. Just because it wouldn't bother you doesn't mean it should be forced down consumers throats.
AC: Not an issue.
Are you a displaced American? I like your attitude!
Originally Posted by MCompact
Originally Posted by CR94
True, but Grandpa's Oldsmobile didn't have it, so it's evil ...
This^^^
How about keeping the vehicles A/C cold in the hot sticky weather and the heat hot in the cold winters with super long lights? It's not all about us not liking new features you know. Just because it wouldn't bother you doesn't mean it should be forced down consumers throats.
AC: Not an issue.
Are you a displaced American? I like your attitude!
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Numerous aftermarket devices to permanently disable SS system.
Chinese already doing knock off copies.
Chinese already doing knock off copies.
The stop / start feature on my 2018 Accord hybrid is pretty much imperceptible. Toyota and Honda hybrids have had this feature for years without any issues that I am aware of.
Originally Posted by JohnnyJohnson
This saves to little that the only thing it really does is insure you'll have to replace your starter sooner.
A quick "google search" says your perception is incorrect-
Automotive engineers don't use 'traditional' starter motors in these situations," he explained. "The starter used for start-stop systems combines several technologies."
You can do your own search on what is different. But they are not the same as a traditional starter-not even close.
This saves to little that the only thing it really does is insure you'll have to replace your starter sooner.
A quick "google search" says your perception is incorrect-
Automotive engineers don't use 'traditional' starter motors in these situations," he explained. "The starter used for start-stop systems combines several technologies."
You can do your own search on what is different. But they are not the same as a traditional starter-not even close.
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Originally Posted by SJUMBA
The stop / start feature on my 2018 Accord hybrid is pretty much imperceptible. Toyota and Honda hybrids have had this feature for years without any issues that I am aware of.
In hybrid it works differently. In hybrid electric engine gives you "a nudge" then regular engine starts if it is needed.
Strictly ICE equipped car is different story. I was driving in March Mercedes A200cdi in Madrid and it is ridiculously annoying in urban environment.
The stop / start feature on my 2018 Accord hybrid is pretty much imperceptible. Toyota and Honda hybrids have had this feature for years without any issues that I am aware of.
In hybrid it works differently. In hybrid electric engine gives you "a nudge" then regular engine starts if it is needed.
Strictly ICE equipped car is different story. I was driving in March Mercedes A200cdi in Madrid and it is ridiculously annoying in urban environment.
From my own experience I've noticed that those who complain most about S/S are new users because it's such a strange feeling, but after a week or so of driving around you essentially forget it and realize that the system is fairly sophisticated with regards to when it does/does not activate. I've found that the level of intrusiveness is somewhat proportional to engine size.
I know Trav and I have gone around on this. The concern that some have with S/S is with regards to concern over accelerated wear on the crankshaft.
I know Trav and I have gone around on this. The concern that some have with S/S is with regards to concern over accelerated wear on the crankshaft.
Another thing worthy of note. Is with a lot of these Start / Stop contraptions on these new cars, you have an additional auxiliary battery along with the conventional one. This is to keep all of the accessories running while the thing is constantly shutting your engine off and on at every stoplight. So you can count on replacing 2 batteries instead of just one. And while you are at it, don't forget to deduct that cost from all of this gas you're going to be "saving".
http://www2.exide.com/gb/en/product-solutions/transportation/product/exide-start-stop-auxiliary.aspx
http://www2.exide.com/gb/en/product-solutions/transportation/product/exide-start-stop-auxiliary.aspx
I have Start / Stop in my Highlander and only have 1 battery. The smart charging system also keeps it charged between 12.3v - 12.6v and isn't charging most of the time. So your statement isn't valid for all makes. Starters don't draw nearly the same amperage they used to decades ago thanks to gear reduction.
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You have a single battery that restarts your engine countless times. Plus this same battery has to provide additional power to all of the accessories, (lights, wipers, fans, electric defrosters, radio, etc.), every time your engine stops. No matter how you want to look at this, "smart charging system" or not, it's going to be putting far greater demands on the battery, than the same vehicle without it. It's not going to last as long.
Originally Posted by MCompact
Originally Posted by CR94
True, but Grandpa's Oldsmobile didn't have it, so it's evil ...
This^^^
LOL
Originally Posted by CR94
True, but Grandpa's Oldsmobile didn't have it, so it's evil ...
This^^^
LOL
Originally Posted by camrydriver111
Originally Posted by MCompact
Originally Posted by CR94
True, but Grandpa's Oldsmobile didn't have it, so it's evil ...
This^^^
LOL
You can say that, but if you are the one paying for the car, whats wrong with avoiding options you don't like or need. Why would you pay money for something you don't like?
Originally Posted by MCompact
Originally Posted by CR94
True, but Grandpa's Oldsmobile didn't have it, so it's evil ...
This^^^
LOL
You can say that, but if you are the one paying for the car, whats wrong with avoiding options you don't like or need. Why would you pay money for something you don't like?
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Originally Posted by billt460
Another thing worthy of note. Is with a lot of these Start / Stop contraptions on these new cars, you have an additional auxiliary battery along with the conventional one. This is to keep all of the accessories running while the thing is constantly shutting your engine off and on at every stoplight. So you can count on replacing 2 batteries instead of just one. And while you are at it, don't forget to deduct that cost from all of this gas you're going to be "saving".
http://www2.exide.com/gb/en/product-solutions/transportation/product/exide-start-stop-auxiliary.aspx
My 2 Series only has one battery; a 90 Ah AGM located under the trunk floor.
Another thing worthy of note. Is with a lot of these Start / Stop contraptions on these new cars, you have an additional auxiliary battery along with the conventional one. This is to keep all of the accessories running while the thing is constantly shutting your engine off and on at every stoplight. So you can count on replacing 2 batteries instead of just one. And while you are at it, don't forget to deduct that cost from all of this gas you're going to be "saving".
http://www2.exide.com/gb/en/product-solutions/transportation/product/exide-start-stop-auxiliary.aspx
My 2 Series only has one battery; a 90 Ah AGM located under the trunk floor.
Originally Posted by billt460
You have a single battery that restarts your engine countless times. Plus this same battery has to provide additional power to all of the accessories, (lights, wipers, fans, electric defrosters, radio, etc.), every time your engine stops. No matter how you want to look at this, "smart charging system" or not, it's going to be putting far greater demands on the battery, than the same vehicle without it. It's not going to last as long.
This I agree with and it's why I disabled it on my Highlander using a module I bought off e-bay that simply engages the disable button every time I start the vehicle. It's really just a way for OE's to cheat CAFE standards. What I do like is that I got a bigger capacity battery and beefier starter than the Highlanders that don't come with the feature.
You have a single battery that restarts your engine countless times. Plus this same battery has to provide additional power to all of the accessories, (lights, wipers, fans, electric defrosters, radio, etc.), every time your engine stops. No matter how you want to look at this, "smart charging system" or not, it's going to be putting far greater demands on the battery, than the same vehicle without it. It's not going to last as long.
This I agree with and it's why I disabled it on my Highlander using a module I bought off e-bay that simply engages the disable button every time I start the vehicle. It's really just a way for OE's to cheat CAFE standards. What I do like is that I got a bigger capacity battery and beefier starter than the Highlanders that don't come with the feature.
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