Startling Neutra Oil Flush Results!

[GMorg]

So Frank, I can see your point from a safety position. From what I can gather, AutoRX contains little if any volatiles (VOCs). However, do you hold the positon that AutoRX and #292 function differently or work through different mechanisms?

In simplest terms, I think of esters as more like detergents than like solvents. I suppose that consideration should be limited for rather long compounds. Some of the shorter esters would behave more like typical solvents. On a purely cleaning basis (not lubricity), how would you (or anyone else reading this) describe the difference between AutoRX and #292?

 

[Frank]

Auto-Rx use natural esters, you can breathe the product and the driver in back of you won't choke or get sick on your tailpipe emissions. If you have a exhaust leak and it is winter you or your family won't get sick, because windows are up Auto-Rx is non toxic.

Significant advantage over solvent synthetic esters.

In performance Auto-Rx works safely in your engine-transmission-power steering-internal oil seals.Never any harm, just positive results.

 

[The One]

gmorg - no biggie dude...

i also misunderstood a bit, as he is using #292 and not #131... if 131 was used then i would stand by my neutra/arx being very similar statement but since it's a different product i cannot.

292 is new to me, i know zip about it.

 

[BrianWC]

292 and 131 are the same exact product.

 

[John Hilmer]

I'm getting a bit twisted in this thread.

The original post related that there was a significant cleaning effect from a rather large dose of 131/292 which are the same product but packaged differently as far as I can see.

Then there was the comment that these are all solvents, which I think isn't well founded.

Now Frank has commented and I see his point clearly that his invention is quite different and should not be considered a solvent, the exact thing that has caused his medical problems and the reason he worked to develope A-RX.

Still, the original post has merit to me in that it produced results and I see this thread not addressing that as much as differnces in the products that clean.

My point is that the OP noted some significant effect after "Disposing" the product he wanted rid of. He also noted that he was concerned about the abrupt effect. This seems in accordance with the "Solvent" assumption.

The point in my view is that both chemistries will work as this initial post shows us, but it seems that A-RX is both slower (beneficial due to limiting the size of removed particulates) and more environmentally acceptable.

No, I'm not beholden in any way to A-RX, it is just how I see the situation. John

 

[BrianWC]

Why is everyone afraid of the term solvent?

 

[The One]

well then.... from what ive read/heard both are ester based and clean similarly... one's $25 a bottle, the other $15 a gallon, if they clean the exact same i don't know cause i've never used arx, but i would think that an entire gallon used over time should clean just as well as arx in one shot... who knows.

 

[Frank]

These are not similar chemistries and as above posts point out. Hope you will reread posts. You buy what you want just don't try and make a case they both are the same.

 

[GMorg]

With a little searching, I realized that there is nothing new under the sun. Consider the link below. Frank, Bob, Terry and few others had a more heated version of this discussion in 2002. It starts off slow, but finds cruising speed by about half-way down the first page. I don't think that the discussion resolves all of the open questions, but it is very informative. It was useful to me. Thanks guys! BITOG was a different place in 2002.

http://theoildrop.server101.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=5;t=000032;p=1

 

[Strjock81]

Update:

Well I drained the oil last night in both pickups that had Neutra in them.

2004 Dodge Ram 2500 4x4 w/Cummins--I saw no particles or anything, but this was expected because it only has 37K on it with really good oil and stratopore or M1 filters.

2004 Chevy 2500 4x4 w/6.0L gas--104,000 miles, lots of towing, 5K mile OCIs whole life with name brand dino oil, never had a cleaner of any sort ran thru it. This oil was gritty not unlike the oil coming out of the tractor, but not as bad. So it loosened some stuff up in there and allowed it to come out with the old oil. This truck had a pretty varnished dip stick, and it did clean the bottom portion all the way clean, up higher where it was not as exposed to the oil it was unchanged.

I put the Motorcraft 10w30 synth blend in the Chevy this time--It was at AZ for 2.20 or something--most of the Auto Zone" brand dino oils were almost that much. This seems like a pretty decent deal to me. I know people with AA, Kragen, and Pep Boys get good deals all the time, but I live out in BFE.

 

[Rick20]

The million dollar question here is, " what is the safer engine cleaning procedure". ARX esters were originally designed to offer better film strength. In other words no dry spots while dismantling oxidized oil deposits. Without changing oil specs. Provide superior extreme protection properties of host oil. Provide the host oil with greater dispersancy characteristics. Provide additional acid scavengers to the host oil while cleaning. Normally show less than normal wear metals in the host oil while the cleaning process occurs, even though it is likely that wear metals are prevelent in the sludged deposits. I don't see any other products showing similar chemistry, nor results. It is easy to clean oxidized oil deposits, but in many cases at what cost. There is no question in my mind which is the safest product to use.

 

[GMorg]

^^ where every "it" but the first one is "Neutra"?

 

[BrianWC]

Yes, long ago I went back through the archives and reread everything. All that's old is new is old. I wouldn't say it's that different. It's the same old questions over and over.

Top questions:

-Should I use arx to clean my %$^#?
-Is #%$^ a good dino to use with arx?
-Which cleans better, LC20 or arx?
-Should I use seafoam to clean my &$^%?


etc, etc, etc....

 

[GMorg]

I have a post above that refers to an entry that has been deleted. It reads "^^ where every "it" but the first one is "Neutra"?"

Since the entry to which my post refers now seems to be gone, it really doesn't make much sense. Maybe it will re-appear or perhaps my post and this one will disappear to match. Let's watch to see what happens.

 

[salesrep]

This is a good place for me to put this topic to bed.

 

[MolaKule]

In terms of safety, I would say at the top is ARX, then LC, then Neutra.

quote:

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Now Frank has commented and I see his point clearly that his invention is quite different and should not be considered a solvent, the exact thing that has caused his medical problems and the reason he worked to develope A-RX.

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We have had this discussion of solvency verses conventional solvents before.

IMHO, all three products dissolve or soften carbon by some type of "solving" action, so they are all solvents in a strickly chemical sense.

ARX uses highly polar natural esters to soften and dissolve carbon and varnish, especially in the ring packs.

Neutra and LC dissolve and soften carbon by their use of conventional aromatic- and cyclic-based solvents. Neutra appears to be an ester of a reacted alcohol and acid, but still based on two solvents nontheless.

 

[Strjock81]

Every time I start a thread it turns into an argument that I am not even involved in!

 

[goodvibes]

How dare you like the product. I found your first post quite infomative and would use the product as you did on relatively clean motors.

 

[UncleS2]

Strjock81, I know exactly what you mean. The silly arguments that people start here are the biggest reason I dropped out for over a year.

FWIW: I have, & use, Auto-Rx, Neutra, FP, & LC. Some folks have a favorite & just can't stand to see anything good posted about "the other guy's" product. While this is a good board, it still has its share of "deep enders", as well as a sizeable number of folks who go off half-cocked(the "half-cocked crowd", aka a bunch of Jack Shaftoes!

).

 

[John Hilmer]

Stuart & Strjock81, this is so true and for me it hasn't been as humorous as it is to you folks. Iknow it it is a natural thing owing to personality etc. Still for me when I first found this forum it was really tough to learn the language and try to read through the bickering to find something usefull. And even then because I was not sure it just made it more difficult to find the truth or something valuable. For me this continues to some extent.

Please, I don't want to rain on your fun, but consider how this is for the really new folks visiting here and trying to learn. Best, John

This is totally off topic.

[ June 20, 2006, 09:53 PM: Message edited by: Bio-T ]