Stant 195F Thermostat Results

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My Saturn's temp gauge has been reading 5/16 for quite a while even after a long drive, so this meant it was quite possible that my thermostat was a goner. I had already installed a new OEM brass engine coolant temperature sensor (ECTS) from the dealership, so that could not be the problem. My ECTS connector was also in good shape.

So while replacing my hoses and radiator cap, I decided to install a new thermostat. I went with a Stant 14729 195F thermostat. On a Saturn S-Series thermostat, you have to compress the thermostat's spring in order to remove it. While compressing my old thermostat's spring during the removal process, I noticed that it was very easy to compress. On the other hand, the new thermostat's spring was much more difficult to compress. Evidently, my old thermostat was not in good shape, which was expected after 121,000 miles of short trip driving.

With the new thermostat in and a fresh fill of Prestone Dex-Cool, my temperature gauge now reads 7/16 within 2 miles of city driving. Previously, the heater would take several miles of driving before providing adequate heat, now, it's warm enough to roast me within a mile or so.

Sounds like a winner then, eh? Not quite. The temperature gauge now reads 7/16. From what I understand, the correct reading for an S-Series temperature gauge (with a properly functioning thermostat) should be about 3/8. So, my car is running a tad warmer that it's supposed to. Instead of running at 195F, I'm guessing it's running at about 200F? Considering that I'm getting these results in 40F weather, I wonder what the gauge will be reading this summer when the car sees 105F heat!
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So, are there are any long-term negative effects to running a car slightly warmer than it was designed for? I understand that a failed thermostat is bad, as the car will run rich. But what about a car that runs slightly too warm? Assuming that I keep my cooling system and engine in good condition, is there any harm?

Thanks!
 
No harm for a few reasons.

It's a small deviation from standard.

Automotive temp gauges are so in-acurate that you really don't know what the temp is anyhow.

Once the 'stat is fully open it doesn't matter what it's temperature rating is, so when your cooling system is operating at it's limit the 'stat will have no effect. The fan will regulate temperatures on hot days when the stat is full open.

200F is a good operating temperature.
 
What is the OEM t-stat set to? I have always heard of guys putting in t-stats with lower temp ratings, but never the opposite? (if that is what you are saying)

I mean, the difference between 7/16 and 3/8 is marginal at most. Even in the summer, your thermostat will operate accordingly to keep the engine from overheating.
 
Originally Posted By: Reddy45
What is the OEM t-stat set to? I have always heard of guys putting in t-stats with lower temp ratings, but never the opposite? (if that is what you are saying)

The OEM temperature is 195F. I suspect that this Stant thermostat, despite being advertised as 195F, is actually a bit higher than that.
 
This is only mildly on topic, but .. I'm sure I've read it before, but what year is this Saturn? Assuming it's an OBD2 car, a ScanGauge or similar data reader would be useful to tell you exactly what temperature the car's running at, since as stated above dash temperature gauges can be inaccurate.
 
Originally Posted By: rationull
This is only mildly on topic, but .. I'm sure I've read it before, but what year is this Saturn? Assuming it's an OBD2 car, a ScanGauge or similar data reader would be useful to tell you exactly what temperature the car's running at, since as stated above dash temperature gauges can be inaccurate.

It's a '96, and yes it is an OBDII. I do plan to get a readout from a data reader, but I don't own one. I'll try to borrow one, obtain the results and report back when I get a chance.
 
It won't run any hotter than the fan engagement temp in the summer.

A "hotter" T-stat does not, by itself, control the temperature at which your car operates. With adequate airflow through the rad during driving, it will hover around the T-stat temp.

When there is no airflow, the temperature will rise until the fan kicks on.

These can be two completely different temperatures.

I know on my buddy's SC1, it would go to 3/4 on the gauge before the fan came on!
 
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
It won't run any hotter than the fan engagement temp in the summer.

A "hotter" T-stat does not, by itself, control the temperature at which your car operates. With adequate airflow through the rad during driving, it will hover around the T-stat temp.

When there is no airflow, the temperature will rise until the fan kicks on.

These can be two completely different temperatures.

I know on my buddy's SC1, it would go to 3/4 on the gauge before the fan came on!

Right, but in order for me to reach the fan engagement temperature, I would have to be sitting in traffic for an extended period of time. I rarely see the fan engage during my type of driving, so I'm concerned that my "normal" temperature will be higher than originally anticipated.
 
I don't mean to sidetrack the thread, but what is this talk about the fan engaging? Is this a per-car design?

I ask because my truck's radiator fan always runs. Is it not supposed to when it doesn't need to?
 
Originally Posted By: Reddy45
I don't mean to sidetrack the thread, but what is this talk about the fan engaging? Is this a per-car design?

I ask because my truck's radiator fan always runs. Is it not supposed to when it doesn't need to?


Many vehicles have electric fans that come on at a certain temperature. The vehicle in question is one.
 
Originally Posted By: The Critic
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
It won't run any hotter than the fan engagement temp in the summer.

A "hotter" T-stat does not, by itself, control the temperature at which your car operates. With adequate airflow through the rad during driving, it will hover around the T-stat temp.

When there is no airflow, the temperature will rise until the fan kicks on.

These can be two completely different temperatures.

I know on my buddy's SC1, it would go to 3/4 on the gauge before the fan came on!

Right, but in order for me to reach the fan engagement temperature, I would have to be sitting in traffic for an extended period of time. I rarely see the fan engage during my type of driving, so I'm concerned that my "normal" temperature will be higher than originally anticipated.


I really doubt the difference is going to cause any issues. The deviation is probably within the manufacturers (GM) tolerances anyways.
 
I use a scan gauge to monitor my temperature because my temp. gauge on my truck shows the same position for 188oF all the way to 212oF... Only my scan gauge changes. Also I don't know about N.C. but in Canada you can buy a 192oF thermostat versus the 195oF and this might just fix your problem as well. Being in California it doesn't get too cold in the Winter that a 192oF would be fine.
 
Mike, don't believe that it 'should' be at 3/8 temp. The closer to 1/2 temp, the better.

I fought this battle with my '96. A 195F t-stat did the trick.

Fighting the same battle with my '01. A shop replaced the t-stat with an alleged 195F unit, which I doubt...nothing changed. Once spring rolls around, a verified 195F stat will make its way into this car.

Nothing is going to happen by raising the temp 10-15F degrees. Only a tad bit better MPG and more heat! :)
 
You're golden. Post a pic of your temp gauge. Take a gauge needle's width as a unit of measurement, should be 1-2 widths below the half mark.

It is a fight getting a t-stat that's warm enough as they seem to degrade/fail cold. I'm running cardboard in front of 2/3 my radiator to help my stat in winter; coast down a hill in gear (fuel shutoff) and air blowing over the engine block, oil pan, etc cools it down despite having an adequate, or at least fairly recent, thermostat!!!

I got a live data OBD-II scan tool on ebay for ~$45, maybe santa still owes you.
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looks like this one, also shows smog readiness monitors.
 
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
The fan will come on when it gets to 215 IIRC. So I wouldn't be too worried.


Actully it's 226F unless you have the AC on then the fan should come on anytime the AC is on.
 
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