Looks like a nice mix to me. Various solvents with water. Any chemical people have a comment?
Should I fog the Aerostar--big carbon buildup and knock
- Thread starter TallPaul
- Start date
- Status
Many years ago when I worked in an institution as a custodian we had an old (c. 1963) Slant Six mini-bus used for cleaning equipment transport that was only driven around campus at 15 MPH. One day, not being satisfied with the way it was running, I snuck it out back to a wooded area- popped off the cowl and air cleaner, then trickled several ounces of water down the carburetor with the engine at about 2000 RPM or so.
The horsepower practically doubled! Ran a lot smoother too.
Water has worked for me in other vehicles too, but that's just me...
Edited for typos.
This seems like it would be a good fuel system and cylinder cleaner. I has water in it to help with carbon deposites.
using "no scroll" clicky feature!
[ June 22, 2005, 01:28 PM: Message edited by: Gary Allan ]
using "no scroll" clicky feature!
[ June 22, 2005, 01:28 PM: Message edited by: Gary Allan ]
Well I did it--the water. But I did it in the driveway with the squirter bottle. The bottle was tedious as it was just too slow to pump in with the intense heat in the engine bay (had to wear gloves it was so hot). Finally after pumping about 14 oz in that way, I unscrewed the cap and just poured the last 8 ounces in at a reasonable rate (maybe took a minute at most). No tailpipe smoke according to 11-year-old son.
Haven't driven it much since (only about 14 miles) but the idle seems rock steady compared to it used to bounce around quite a bit within a 100 rpm range. Not sure if it cured the knock as there was not much knock left on the 93 octane that is in it. Next week I will try some 87 octane and see if it knocks. If it does, I'll make it chug more water.
Haven't driven it much since (only about 14 miles) but the idle seems rock steady compared to it used to bounce around quite a bit within a 100 rpm range. Not sure if it cured the knock as there was not much knock left on the 93 octane that is in it. Next week I will try some 87 octane and see if it knocks. If it does, I'll make it chug more water.
Why not use Seafoam in this case?
The Seafoam Deep Creep is an aerosol spray can, and would serve your needs nicely. It seems to emulsify the carbon better than water in most cases.
The Seafoam Deep Creep is an aerosol spray can, and would serve your needs nicely. It seems to emulsify the carbon better than water in most cases.
Seafoam may be better. Could try it on the motorhome which is pretty badly carboned and knocking too.
I was down to 4 gal of the 93 octane in the Aerostar today, so I put in 9 gal of the 87 and drove 3 miles on the freeway trying to make it knock. Wouldn't. Filled the rest of the tank (another 9 gal) with more 87 and drove home. Still could not get it to knock, and that mix should be about at 88 octane.
Also, a quote from a book, "Turbocharging & Supercharging," byu Alan Allard, 1986:
I was down to 4 gal of the 93 octane in the Aerostar today, so I put in 9 gal of the 87 and drove 3 miles on the freeway trying to make it knock. Wouldn't. Filled the rest of the tank (another 9 gal) with more 87 and drove home. Still could not get it to knock, and that mix should be about at 88 octane.
Also, a quote from a book, "Turbocharging & Supercharging," byu Alan Allard, 1986:
Question, If one puts distilled water in the almost empty gas tank at a specific ratio, 1:1 for instance, along with a fuel drier, which in actuality combines with the water making it miscible.
By running this combination through the fuel system into the cylinders, wouldn't there be the carbon cleaning desired, because of the water?
When I used fuel power for the first time and all the accumelated condensation I had in my tank became burnable. For that whole tank I had LOTS of condensation out of the tail pipe, along with the cloud exhaust, it was dripping some dark brown liquid for a while.
I had no idea how much water was in the fuel tank but after that tank of gas my exhaust pipe has been pretty clean, it idles smoother and doesn't have a propensity to ping.
I could also be mistaken/wishful thinking.
So does this sound plausable.
By running this combination through the fuel system into the cylinders, wouldn't there be the carbon cleaning desired, because of the water?
When I used fuel power for the first time and all the accumelated condensation I had in my tank became burnable. For that whole tank I had LOTS of condensation out of the tail pipe, along with the cloud exhaust, it was dripping some dark brown liquid for a while.
I had no idea how much water was in the fuel tank but after that tank of gas my exhaust pipe has been pretty clean, it idles smoother and doesn't have a propensity to ping.
I could also be mistaken/wishful thinking.
So does this sound plausable.
Blah, blah, blah.
Just do a "MolaSoak" (search; an early post predating that name).
I pull plugs on hot engine, give each cylinder 3-ozs LUBE CONTROL LC20, turn one revolution after one hour (re-topping each cylinder), and let sit overnight.
Next morning, spin motor to get any residual LC out (I cover banks with old towels), reinstall old plugs, and start and idle about 20-minutes (best done, of course, in an area of decent airflow).
After this, I take it out for a little drive and a smoke (you do get some looks from others. On one occasion -- have done 4 cars this way in just this manner -- had those behind me turning on headlights. Another occasion, neighbor called fire department)
After warm-up -- about 5-7 miles of light throttle and lots of coasting -- I get on it from about 30 mph and run it up to 60 or so. By the time I get home, all is well. Then, new sparkplugs, fresh oil and filter.
Unlike other solvents, I haven't had to worry about lack of lubrication. Years past, would never have driven car, just changed oil again after a 50-100 mile easy highway trip.
This is what I do prior to using Auto-RX, and I may have run LC20 for a few thousand miles prior to the MolaSoak.
I also use FUEL POWER FP60 to help keep the carbon buildup in check, and after the ARX regimen, use LC20 at 2 or 3 ozs (depending on vehicle) every 700 or 1000 miles.
Good luck
Just do a "MolaSoak" (search; an early post predating that name).
I pull plugs on hot engine, give each cylinder 3-ozs LUBE CONTROL LC20, turn one revolution after one hour (re-topping each cylinder), and let sit overnight.
Next morning, spin motor to get any residual LC out (I cover banks with old towels), reinstall old plugs, and start and idle about 20-minutes (best done, of course, in an area of decent airflow).
After this, I take it out for a little drive and a smoke (you do get some looks from others. On one occasion -- have done 4 cars this way in just this manner -- had those behind me turning on headlights. Another occasion, neighbor called fire department)
After warm-up -- about 5-7 miles of light throttle and lots of coasting -- I get on it from about 30 mph and run it up to 60 or so. By the time I get home, all is well. Then, new sparkplugs, fresh oil and filter.
Unlike other solvents, I haven't had to worry about lack of lubrication. Years past, would never have driven car, just changed oil again after a 50-100 mile easy highway trip.
This is what I do prior to using Auto-RX, and I may have run LC20 for a few thousand miles prior to the MolaSoak.
I also use FUEL POWER FP60 to help keep the carbon buildup in check, and after the ARX regimen, use LC20 at 2 or 3 ozs (depending on vehicle) every 700 or 1000 miles.
Good luck
I got to thinking that this occasional "water" injection thing could be the solution to minimize rest room stops on long trips. Let's see, gonna need a vacuum hose and a funnel...
Pity the pour soul behind me.
Pity the pour soul behind me.
Doesn’t sound like a bad idea. Give you a good reason to drink a lot of water. I am sure that ammonia is good for the car right? I can see the new craze, Urine Injection
- Joined
- Sep 28, 2002
- Messages
- 39,793
Well, it would be okay if you're a BIG GULP type consumer for a road trip. A preemptive catheterization and a "plug in" vacuum harness would be a neat setup.
But you have to watch the sodium content so an ample suppy of liquid would be in order. Heck, if you pack sandwiches ..and have enough fuel ..this could be a cross country gumball rally type dream.
I wonder if the wife would be up for it?
But you have to watch the sodium content so an ample suppy of liquid would be in order. Heck, if you pack sandwiches ..and have enough fuel ..this could be a cross country gumball rally type dream.
I wonder if the wife would be up for it?
Wife is not keen on me doing anything with the vehicles, but driving it when we go somewhere together.
Wonder if I could sell the cleaning setup. A fancy urinal type funnel and hose. Could call it the Whizz 'n Clean. Surely has more merit than the Tornado. Could sell it at local beer stores maybe. Guys, no more stops to check the taillights on a Friday night cruise.
Hey, another 20 miles and looking good from a knock standpoint (sad to say the power steering leak is gettin much worse--always something).
I should note that while the water chug did not produce noticable smoke, upon completion of the treatment I did notice a odor like spent firecrackers in the air. Maybe do the chug again and again until no more firecracker smell, which presumably would indicate no more carbon to purge.
Wonder if I could sell the cleaning setup. A fancy urinal type funnel and hose. Could call it the Whizz 'n Clean. Surely has more merit than the Tornado. Could sell it at local beer stores maybe. Guys, no more stops to check the taillights on a Friday night cruise.
Hey, another 20 miles and looking good from a knock standpoint (sad to say the power steering leak is gettin much worse--always something).
I should note that while the water chug did not produce noticable smoke, upon completion of the treatment I did notice a odor like spent firecrackers in the air. Maybe do the chug again and again until no more firecracker smell, which presumably would indicate no more carbon to purge.
C4Dave
Member
Member # 3879
posted 22 June, 2005 11:17 AM
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ford recommends driving for 20 minutes at 3000 rpm. That will clean the carbon. I've done this with my Explorer, and it always works for me.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
What is the reasoning/theory behind this?
Member
Member # 3879
posted 22 June, 2005 11:17 AM
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ford recommends driving for 20 minutes at 3000 rpm. That will clean the carbon. I've done this with my Explorer, and it always works for me.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
What is the reasoning/theory behind this?
OH yes, the Italian Tuneup. I tried it, but at 4000 to 5000 rpm. It seemed to work but not for long. The Aerostar was just to stuffed up for that to work I guess.
- Joined
- Sep 28, 2002
- Messages
- 39,793
Ah ..your wife has command and control issues too, huh?
I generally don’t mind being a passenger, but when it is a vehicle in my care/ownership, seems I like to be in control. My control areas also include vehicle type/maintenance and money. Her’s: kid’s education, healthy eating, and making the bed. She couldn’t care less about home vehicle maintenance (I couldn’t care less about making the bed). Says her dad never fooled around with cars, just took them in for service, so as she sees it, that is the way it should work. My dad always fooled around with cars and it rubbed off on me. I am trying to rub off on the kids, but somehow my smelling like oil when I come in from the garage is not giving them any desire to follow in my footsteps.
- Joined
- Sep 28, 2002
- Messages
- 39,793
Oh ...we share the load, pal! I figure out how to make it ...she figures out how to spend it. I'm finding my tasks getting harder ..while hers seem to evolve naturally without any effort.
Anyway, any pinging yet? I wonder how a H2O/Isopropol Alcohol mix would work??
Anyway, any pinging yet? I wonder how a H2O/Isopropol Alcohol mix would work??
No pinging in 50 miles since I poured the water in. I am amazed.
blah blah blah, your own bad self.
Doing a plug change on a Ford modular engine is a considerable commitment of time and effort.
Doing 2 plug pulls required for a molasoak.
no thanks.
Running water through the intake, yes please.
Has anyone an opinion on the 'water in gas tank - FP' idea to run water through the top end as a carbon cleaner cycle?
- Status
Similar threads
- Locked
