Recent test data and presentations on Biosyn

[RI_RS4]

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So, please do not inundate me or the moderators with messages saying that I am advertising for or promoting RLI Biosyn. I am not. I have no affiliation with Renewable Lubricants, and I am really getting tired of being banned because of people on this forum who complain. I no more promote their products than others promote Redline, Mobil 1, ... "name your own favorite oil".

For those that are interested, here is some recent test data and technical presentations on RLI Biosyn. This data formally backs up some of the previous claims made of their formulations, and provides some of the technical basis for the oil's performance.

I have other data that I am at liberty to release that needs to be edited to remove any perception of their marketing. But I do not have time. For now, here is some useful information for those who have eyes to see and ears to hear.

http://www.teraspeed.com/RLI/TEOST.pdf
http://www.teraspeed.com/RLI/STLE Philadelphia.pdf
http://www.teraspeed.com/RLI/STLE Cleveland.pdf

 

[buster]

Impressive results!

Are some of these oils 40% Bio syn esters?

 

[RI_RS4]

Originally Posted By: buster
Impressive results!

Are some of these oils 40% Bio syn esters?


Yes, or more, depending on the particular formulation. Obviously I cannot divulge any knowledge I have on the actual formulations.

 

[kd5byb]

I agree - very impressive. Do they plan to extend the test past the RS4 and Prius engines?

I'd be even more impressed if the testing expanded to more engine types. I'd also be impressed that if they did go to a laboratory for additional testing, that they name the lab in their presentations. One of the problems I've always had with AMSOIL is that they will never note what lab did the testing. I don't understand why they won't name the lab.

At the test facility I co-manage, we have no problem with customers disclosing us as the source of their test data.

When I worked at a NRTL certified test lab, we had no problem with customers disclosing that their test data was collected at our facility. Neither did the other test labs that I dealt with, including some giants in the test industry.

thanks,
ben

 

[benjamming]

Thanks for posting RI_RS4.

 

[RI_RS4]

I believe that Chevron Phillips Chemical labs were used, since Dr. Ken Hope is a PhD Chemist there. He's also on the board of the Society of Tribologists and Lubrication Engineers (STLE), as a regional Vice President.

 

[zoomzoom]

What was the viscosity of Audi approved oil used in RS4 engine?

Looks like leading 5w30 synthetic oil is just as good as biosyn 15w40 in TEOST (Thermo-Oxidation Engine Oil Simulation Test)?
How did biosyn 5w30 fare in this test?

They should compare oils with same viscosity.

 

[Tempest]

Great info and I think you are doing a service to this board by bringing this information here.

 

[bulwnkl]

Originally Posted By: RI_RS4
So, please do not inundate me or the moderators with messages saying that I am advertising for or promoting RLI Biosyn. I am not. I have no affiliation with Renewable Lubricants, and I am really getting tired of being banned because of people on this forum who complain. I no more promote their products than others promote Redline, Mobil 1, ... "name your own favorite oil".


You've got to be kidding me!!?! The big oil trolls here have gotten you banned before? That's absolutely preposterous!!

 

[Gary Allan]

No complaints here

 

[buster]

I like the "homegrown" aspect of it all too.

 

[Bruce T]

It's infuriating that people complain to the moderators about your posts, when you have provided so much information for free - and you've gone to major expense and trouble to provide it. We appreciate your efforts, and I'm sure Audi and Audi owners do, too.

 

[DragRace]

Thanks for sharing!

 

[SubLGT]

Thanks for the links.

Regarding the wear data for Fe and Al, and fuel dilution data, for the Audi and Prius, do we know that the differences shown are statistically significant?

Who, or what, is Teraspeed?

 

[bluesubie]

Nice.
Is it common for a manufacture to publish their TEOST results showing deposit levels?

-Dennis

 

[SubLGT]

Hmmmmmm, no response from RI RS4. Has he been banned again?

 

[bulwnkl]

Maybe just nervous? There are genuinely tons of 'trolls' here from Big Oil, so it's conceivable to me that he'd have been banned. Hard to tell, though. Could've been a reference to something else?

 

[Pablo]

Originally Posted By: bulwnkl
Maybe just nervous? There are genuinely tons of 'trolls' here from Big Oil, so it's conceivable to me that he'd have been banned. Hard to tell, though. Could've been a reference to something else?


What? How could "big oil" get someone banned?

This is drifting, and IMHO way off topic items, pure advertising by non-sponsors, and of course blatant R/S/P are what gets topics shut down.

I personally don't see this as an ad, but that's not up to me.

 

[bulwnkl]

Are you truly in earnest with your question, Pablo?

I have seen people on here make what appears to me to be a fairly concerted effort to pooh-pooh the Bio-Syn. I also know of folks here obtaining quantities of the product through other BITOG members for analysis in their own lab(s).

Either way, I've never seen anything about Bio-Syn nor anything else posted by RI_RS4 that constitutes advertising, sponsor or not. These presentation docs (or pieces of them) have been posted on here before, haven't they? I think they're useful information, but RI_RS4's wear metals data was more useful to me. This stuff is aimed at showing formulators and marketers what the bio components are capable of, IMO. The wear data is useful to end users (and maybe others) to show how much better this product is than anything else available (or VAG-spec'd), at least for certain kinds of issues.

My own fleet use is something I'm unlikely to ever post in the way that RI_RS4 has, though it shows many similarities. It's just too, too odd how many folks jump on that kind of data as bogus, meaningless, insufficient, etc., and how quickly they do it. Unless everyone here works for EPA, that just doesn't make a lot of sense.

 

[buster]

Originally Posted By: bluesubie
Nice.
Is it common for a manufacture to publish their TEOST results showing deposit levels?

-Dennis


No very rare.