Originally Posted by UG_Passat
Originally Posted by Ws6
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That Subaru in video would leave Mazda behind, so much on a hill like that that driver could go get a coffee before you arrive.
These videos are absolutely ridiculous. I would make that hill with my Toyota, let alone some other vehicle. It is absolutely worthless video from point of which vehicle is better in those conditions and could be manipulated in numerous ways. ANY AWD vehicle with snow tires that those cars had would make that hill. ANY, including numerous FWD vehicles.
They all do pretty much the same thing on snow/ice, now thay toyota and honda have awd systems that transfer more torque. I think the RAV has the real advantage being able to lock up, up to 25mph or so. Subaru awd is nothing special.
The RAV4 can only transfer up to 50% torque to the rear axle. But yes, the rear axle coupling can lock at 50:50 for up to 25 mph.
The CR-V can only transfer up to 40% torque to the rear axle.
Subaru AWD is nothing special, but is a true full-time AWD system, and using a CVT (in most cases) for fuel economy purposes. But its normal torque split is something like 60:40, and can transfer up to 80% to front or rear axle.
Where the CX5 comes into its own on ice, and low traction surfaces seems to be because it can transfer the torque before maximum traction is lost. Yay electromagnetic couplings. The Jeep comes into its own because it can bias tires with 100% of the engines torque, individually or as a combination. Makes it a BEAST for rock crawling and other high-torque demand situations. I drive in ice and snow more than I rock crawl, so the Jeep was "lost" on me.
That people think so much of Subaru's system is both a testament to their marketing, and how far ahead of their time they were in the 80's and 90's. Perceptions last. Marketing trumps facts.
Originally Posted by Ws6
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That Subaru in video would leave Mazda behind, so much on a hill like that that driver could go get a coffee before you arrive.
These videos are absolutely ridiculous. I would make that hill with my Toyota, let alone some other vehicle. It is absolutely worthless video from point of which vehicle is better in those conditions and could be manipulated in numerous ways. ANY AWD vehicle with snow tires that those cars had would make that hill. ANY, including numerous FWD vehicles.
They all do pretty much the same thing on snow/ice, now thay toyota and honda have awd systems that transfer more torque. I think the RAV has the real advantage being able to lock up, up to 25mph or so. Subaru awd is nothing special.
The RAV4 can only transfer up to 50% torque to the rear axle. But yes, the rear axle coupling can lock at 50:50 for up to 25 mph.
The CR-V can only transfer up to 40% torque to the rear axle.
Subaru AWD is nothing special, but is a true full-time AWD system, and using a CVT (in most cases) for fuel economy purposes. But its normal torque split is something like 60:40, and can transfer up to 80% to front or rear axle.
Where the CX5 comes into its own on ice, and low traction surfaces seems to be because it can transfer the torque before maximum traction is lost. Yay electromagnetic couplings. The Jeep comes into its own because it can bias tires with 100% of the engines torque, individually or as a combination. Makes it a BEAST for rock crawling and other high-torque demand situations. I drive in ice and snow more than I rock crawl, so the Jeep was "lost" on me.
That people think so much of Subaru's system is both a testament to their marketing, and how far ahead of their time they were in the 80's and 90's. Perceptions last. Marketing trumps facts.
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