Porsche. The right oil?

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Hello to everyone from Italy and compliments for this interesting forum.

Please I nedd of your kind help.

I've a real doubt and I need some expert advice on selection of new motor oil.

Near two years ago, I purchased an used Carrera 997 from official Porsche dealer.

Of course before the delivery, the car was serviced with the stock lubricant, the M1 0-40.

After 18 months I covered near 14,000km/8,500mls, oil consumption near 150-200grams/ 7 oz.

Other useful details:

1. vehicle spec.

2005 Porsche Carrera 997 3.6 naturally aspirated 325hp, manual
odometer total km 26.000/ 16.000 mls.

2. What your owner's manual says

Mobil1 0-40 (of course)

3. Where you live

Southern Italy
(today midlle winter air temp. 13°C-55°F)
In the Summer we've max 45°C-112°F

4. How you drive

car used for fun on roads like Nurburgring
(hills, winding roads, sudden violent accelerations, acc)

5. What your daily drive is like

short trips on week-end

6. Whether your car has any known problems

all 996 & 997 have problems with IMS bearing and RMS leak.
included my car.


My idea is to replace the oil with M1 5-50 because:


- 0-40 is suggested for cars used in North europe countries (UK, Sweden, Poland, Russia) or North America but Porsche fills with 0-40 all cars without distinction of market destination

- I've read somewhere that rms leak (if it's minor) can be solved (or at least reduced) by varying the viscosity.

- third, I've read somewhere that M1 0-40 is not sufficient for protecting vital engine components so different Porsche specialists are recommending 5-40 or 5-50 racing oils or the addition of oil additives at every oil change for their higher levels of protection.
As I don't like additives, I prefer to adopt a targeted oil.

My question is the following, there're side-effects regarding the adoption of this new viscosity on my engine?

Do you've a specific lubricant to suggest?

Thanks in advance for you kind help.

Fabio.
 
Side effects are slightly higher fuel consumption. If you are in higher temps like you say, I would run the 5W50, but I expect the M0W40, can handle all that you throw at it...
 
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Originally Posted By: Fabio
- 0-40 is suggested for cars used in North europe countries (UK, Sweden, Poland, Russia) or North America but Porsche fills with 0-40 all cars without distinction of market destination

Yes. They have a lot of confidence in that lubricant.
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Originally Posted By: Fabio
- I've read somewhere that rms leak (if it's minor) can be solved (or at least reduced) by varying the viscosity.

You have a Porsche. Why waste time with half-measures? If the RMS leaks, replace it. Reducing it by switching to a different oil is simply masking the problem, and it requires a higher viscosity which may not be good for your case (see below).


Originally Posted By: Fabio
- third, I've read somewhere that M1 0-40 is not sufficient for protecting vital engine components

I strongly doubt that.


Originally Posted By: Fabio
My question is the following, there're side-effects regarding the adoption of this new viscosity on my engine?

From what I've heard, Mobil 1 5w-50 is an excellent lubricant and one of their best. My main reservation about it in your case is that if you do a lot of short trips, you will want the thinnest oil possible because your engine will not spend much time at full operating temperature. Going thicker is going backwards.


Originally Posted By: Fabio
Do you've a specific lubricant to suggest?

Mobil 1 0w-40 is probably your best option, honestly.


Good luck!
 
Check with Doug Hillary, who is a member here that is well educated and has more experience with Porsches than anyone here. I know he uses M1 0-40, but contact with him will be very helpful for you.
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Thanks for the reply.

I'm also convinced that the M1 0-40 can handle the M96 daily life but similarly I'm also convinced that with a sporting use, high revs, high temperature (my oil works at 110-120°C/ 230-240°F) the 0-40 is a little weak compared to a 5-50.

For heavy use, I mean 2-3 hours of continuous operating work on hill roads, using low gear ratios (2nd and 3rd).

A second way might be keep the 0-40 and to anticipate maintenance intervals near 10000km/7000mls.

What I cand do?
 
M1 5w-50 is the biggest selling visc in Europe.

At my shop Syntec 5w-50 is used, we have 25 year Master Porsche mechanics.
 
Originally Posted By: Fabio
Thanks for the reply.

I'm also convinced that the M1 0-40 can handle the M96 daily life but similarly I'm also convinced that with a sporting use, high revs, high temperature (my oil works at 110-120°C/ 230-240°F) the 0-40 is a little weak compared to a 5-50.

For heavy use, I mean 2-3 hours of continuous operating work on hill roads, using low gear ratios (2nd and 3rd).

A second way might be keep the 0-40 and to anticipate maintenance intervals near 10000km/7000mls.

What I cand do?

Porsche tests with Mobil 1 0w-40 in a wide variety of conditions, including track use (not just spirited driving) in hot climates. I'd say it'll be fine.
 
I agree stick with M1 0W-40.
In fact the most recent reformulation of this oil has increased it's HTHS viscosity to 3.8cP.

Fabio, your suggestion of going with a shorter 10,000 km OCI for the M1 0W-40 is certainly a better option (for piece of mind if nothing else) than going with a heavier oil entirely.
 
Mobil 1 0-40 is one of their best oils.
I would use it as a first choice in that and many other cars.

But yes, there are a number of other fine oils that are suitable.
 
Hi,
Fabio - Welcome to BITOG - enjoy your stay with our International family!

M1 0W-40 is most suitable for your 997. Do not be worried by the RMS issue! RMS = Rear Main Seal - many cars show some signs of main seal leaks - in 997 Porsche engines it really is a minor issue!

I use Delvac 1 5W-40 in my M96 but it was on M1 0W-40 since new and it now has 130kkms. It uses no oil at 17kkms OCIs

One Poster has suggested using Castrol Syntec 5W-50. This oil has NOT been Approved by Porsche since MY1999. The only Approved SAE50 lubricant is M1 5W-50 - for very sound reasons!

Stay with M1 0W-40 it is used by Porsche, Mercedes Benz and Aston Martin in their own cars for racing. Their Engineers love this lubricant!!! As an example, all of these Companies used it at the Nurburgring for the ADAC 24hr last May and Aston Martin's Test-Development Centre is based at Nurburg as you will already know

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Originally Posted By: Doug Hillary
Hi,One Poster has suggested using Castrol Syntec 5W-50. This oil has NOT been Approved by Porsche since MY1999. The only Approved SAE50 lubricant is M1 5W-50 - for very sound reasons!


I suggested 5w-50, mentioned Mobil 1 and pointed out that Syntec is successfully used by highly experienced people who actually do the hands-on work....covering all the bases rather than being a walking billboard for just one brand.
 
Motul Sport 5w50 is worth considering.


API SM, API CF
Viscosity grade SAE J 300 5W-50
Density at 20°C (59°F) ASTM D1298 0.845
Viscosity at 100°C (212°F) ASTM D445 17.9 mm²/s
Viscosity at 40°C (104°F) ASTM D445 107 mm²/s
Viscosity Index ASTM D2270 186
HTHS viscosity at 150°C (302°F) ASTM D4741 4.49 mPa.s
Pour point ASTM D97 -45°C / -49°F
Flash point ASTM D92 244°C / 471.2°F
TBN ASTM D2896 8.4 mg KOH/g
 
Millers XFS 5w50 is another.



API SL, CF
ACEA A3, Acea B3
Mercedes-Benz 229.1
VW 500.00, VW 501.01, VW 502.00, VW 505.00
Original Ford Cosworth requirement.

SAE Viscosity Grade 5w50
Specific Gravity @ 15C 0.855
Kinematic Viscosity @ 100C 17.0cSt
Kinematic Viscosity @ 40C 133cSt
Viscosity Index 140
Pour Point C -35
Flashpoint C 230
Cold Crank Viscosity @ -30C 6,360cP

(no published HTHS value)
 
Originally Posted By: Doug Hillary
Hi,

One Poster has suggested using Castrol Syntec 5W-50. This oil has NOT been Approved by Porsche since MY1999. The only Approved SAE50 lubricant is M1 5W-50 - for very sound reasons!



Doug what makes the M1 5w50 so outstanding compared to its competitors other than the 6 OEM builder approvals is carries ?
 
Thanks to the Lubrizol spider diagram, I would use any oil that meets C30, A40 or VW 507.
 
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