Pit Bulls

[JOD]

Originally Posted By: OtisBlkR1

The numbers dont lie, and im not going to tell you all i am a expert, but i am a retired (from K-9 service) Handler that has alot of experience.. Pit bulls ARE a dangerous breed, and even though YOUR dog has never violated the tendancy for violence is 100% in that blood line.. Q. Do you house train a king cobra from small to adult and assume since he's yours and the snakes never bitten you that it never will ?


I find this hard to believe, as you exhibit a lot of ignorance regarding the breed. Pitbulls are naturally not aggressive to humans, unlike some other breeds. That's the entire reason I chose the breed. You're just perpetuating fear based on ignorance, an honestly I've never actually met a professional dog handler who exhibited that lack of understanding--and I know a few.

The dog trainer I worked with handled K-9 police dogs, and she was one of a few who recommended the breed to me. I was tired of dealing with a very protective breed with a strong guardian instinct, as they can be pretty difficult to manage. After he passed away, I wanted an "easier" dog, at least around people, and he's lived up to my expectations--and then some.

 

[OtisBlkR1]

Originally Posted By: JOD
Originally Posted By: OtisBlkR1

The numbers dont lie, and im not going to tell you all i am a expert, but i am a retired (from K-9 service) Handler that has alot of experience.. Pit bulls ARE a dangerous breed, and even though YOUR dog has never violated the tendancy for violence is 100% in that blood line.. Q. Do you house train a king cobra from small to adult and assume since he's yours and the snakes never bitten you that it never will ?


I find this hard to believe, as you exhibit a lot of ignorance regarding the breed. Pitbulls are naturally not aggressive to humans, unlike some other breeds. That's the entire reason I chose the breed. You're just perpetuating fear based on ignorance, an honestly I've never actually met a professional dog handler who exhibited that lack of understanding--and I know a few.

The dog trainer I worked with handled K-9 police dogs, and she was one of a few who recommended the breed to me. I was tired of dealing with a very protective breed with a strong guardian instinct, as they can be pretty difficult to manage. After he passed away, I wanted an "easier" dog, at least around people, and he's lived up to my expectations--and then some.


So im ignorant becouse i can read dog statistics showing that pit bulls are violent dogs ? The internet is full of stats and stories on these animals, you dont have to believe me.. do a google search.. As i mentioned earlier im no expert, im giving my opinion. I do think i have a fairly good platform to stand on considering my previous work with K-9's and if your questioning my employment history pm me, I was a narcotics dog handler with the State of Indiana. Im a 15 year veteran of multiple agencies and ive never heard ANY credible handler or breeder recommend pit bulls for any kind of professional working dog. Now if your saying someone you know recommended Pits for lap dogs ? well, thats there opinion.. There's good reason why we use Labs and Shepards.. never seen any form of law enforcement with a Pit bull in the back of there car.. two pennies.

 

[artificialist]

Here in Bradenton and Palmetto, Florida, all kinds of human trash get pitbulls, and then treat them badly so they can have an attack dog.

Many of those pitbulls run away, have a litter of pups, and they go to the local animal shelter. Those pitbull pups are the most well-behaved dogs in the Bradenton and Palmetto shelter.

When in the right family, pitbulls are excellent family dogs. Too bad where I live, there are too many broken or abusive families.

I am more likely to get bitten by a poodle or a bichon frise. However, that may be because they are often adopted by women who scare men away with their attitudes, and have to get dogs or cats as company. Usually such women have more than 1 cat or 1 dog.

 

[JOD]

Originally Posted By: OtisBlkR1

So im ignorant becouse i can read dog statistics showing that pit bulls are violent dogs ?


yes


Originally Posted By: OtisBlkR1
I do think i have a fairly good platform to stand on considering my previous work with K-9's and if your questioning my employment history pm me, I was a narcotics dog handler with the State of Indiana. Im a 15 year veteran of multiple agencies and ive never heard ANY credible handler or breeder recommend pit bulls for any kind of professional working dog.

Pitbull-type dogs are pretty widely used by the WA state patrol, in part because of the liability involved using other breeds which are naturally more aggressive towards humans. They're used primarily as detection dogs.

Again, I'm not trying to be a jerk here, but you just don't seem to understand the breed very well if you think you understand it based on random statistics from the internet. Years ago, those same statics said the same about GSDs, Rottweilers before that, Dobermans before that, Bloodhounds (yes, Bloodhounds) before that. There are other factors besides breed that are the cause for those statistics. Pitbull type dogs are not naturally aggressive towards humans. That has never been a bred trait of the breed.

I should mention that the police K-9 trainer who recommended the pit bull to me wasn't a "pit bull breed enthusiast" type. She owned and trained mostly GSDs. But she understand the general nature of the breed, and felt it would make a good family pet. OTOH, she generally felt that GSD's or any other breed with a very strong guardian instinct simply required too much work to have unless you were using it as a working dog.

 

[OtisBlkR1]

Originally Posted By: JOD

So im ignorant becouse i can read dog statistics showing that pit bulls are violent dogs ?


yes


Originally Posted By: OtisBlkR1
Again, I'm not trying to be a jerk here,


coulda have fooled me.. your last two post directed at me have been Insulent and insulting, Im more than intitled to my opinion, but im respectfull about it and try not to belittle other members. In regards to the dogs ive had bad experiences with them and wont ever tell anyone how great i think they are.

Good day.

 

[JOD]

Why do you selectively quote me, rather than include the rest of what I said? I'm simply trying to point out factual information that differs from what you believe, and that makes me jerk? Um...OK. I'm not attempting to "belittle" you, I'm simply pointing out that unlike what you've witnessed, pit bulls ARE used as service dogs.

 

[JANDSZIRKLE]

Originally Posted By: xBa380
My aunt has four of them... sweetest dogs... its all on how they are raised and the owners.


I was going too say the same, mother in law has two, our kids have been around them both since they were puppies, she moved too west va, every summer kids spend 2 weeks with her at her new home, i fear more for an unwanted visitor in that house than i do my kids around them. Here in Va, there are still alot of people who have them, if you raise them correctly, can be VERY good dogs that will protect you and your family. When mistreated or raised too fight, they will attack anything. I am not a big fan of the looks of pitbulls, dont own any, but have seen both sides of the coin here and its truly all about how they are raised and treated. My younger sister is an animal doctor, sees it all the time. Really horrible the 8 year old got hurt.

 

[OtisBlkR1]

Originally Posted By: JOD
Why do you selectively quote me,


You'v done the exact same thing above.. Thats's the "pot calling the kettle black" is'nt it ???????

I posted my opinion, i stand by it..

glad to see you posted a responce without a nasty little jab in it..

 

[L_Sludger]

Pit bulls: Low class dogs for low class people.

 

[Sunnyinhollister]

You can't get around the statistic that the breed is responsible for almost 50% of all fatalities, but do not represent any where close to 50% of the dog population. Yes, there are stupid owners, but that does not fully explain the startling statistic.

 

[surfstar]

Replace 'pit bull' with 'gun' and we have the very same thread.

 

[JOD]

Originally Posted By: Sunnyinhollister
You can't get around the statistic that the breed is responsible for almost 50% of all fatalities, but do not represent any where close to 50% of the dog population. Yes, there are stupid owners, but that does not fully explain the startling statistic.


There are legitimate answers to that, but obviously it's too emotionally charged of a topic to bother trying to explain. The information is out there, and I posted one link that's pretty detailed which answers this exact question. There are entire books written on the subject. Keep in mind though that in the CDC (who compiled the statistics) make it very clear that "breed" is not a determining factor in fatal dog attacks (if one actually reads the report).

On an intellectual level, I realize that posting in threads like this is waste of time, but like every pet owner I get attached to my dogs. My pit bull has been with me pretty much every day over the last 8 years, so it's both annoying and comical when people with no first-hand knowledge of the breed tells me how horrible they are. It's my own fault for taking the bait. Generally, I just try to ignore it. Funny thing is that in person, I've never had a bad reaction to my dog. On the internet, he's enemy #1:

BTW Surfstar, that's from the dog beach down at Arroyo Burro...you can tell from the ears there were big winds that day! You may have been out surfing...

 

[OtisBlkR1]

Originally Posted By: Sunnyinhollister
You can't get around the statistic that the breed is responsible for almost 50% of all fatalities, but do not represent any where close to 50% of the dog population. Yes, there are stupid owners, but that does not fully explain the startling statistic.

well said sir, well said

 

[CarbonSteel]

Originally Posted By: JOD

Does he have a "brindle" coat and is he purebred? BTW - Nice looking dog!

 

[whip]

Originally Posted By: L_Sludger
Pit bulls: Low class dogs for low class people.

Judging by the lack of class in this post, is it safe to assume you own a pitbull?

 

[JOD]

Originally Posted By: 2010_FX4

Does he have a "brindle" coat and is he purebred? BTW - Nice looking dog!


Thanks! Yeah, he's brindle, though the overwhelming color these days in increasingly "grey". He's starting to get old on me!

I don't know his whole story, I got him as a pup from the shelter. He came in as a stray, with his mom, when he was 6 mos. I got him from a rural shelter in SW Washington. I'm guessing they were farm dogs or something, as he was very socialized around all other animals when I got him; cats, dogs, chickens... He looks a little more terrier, less bulldog. Probably someone back-yard breeding or something, but who knows. He's had a great temperament from day one, though.

 

[dave1251]

Originally Posted By: OtisBlkR1

There's good reason why we use Labs and Shepards.. never seen any form of law enforcement with a Pit bull in the back of there car.. two pennies.


Well then you have not been around CBP, Baltimore, Washington State Police, and Milwaukee use the breed as law enforcement dogs. I am sorry despite your experience and thank you for your service but I would not consider you as a canine expert.

 

[OtisBlkR1]

Originally Posted By: dave1251
Originally Posted By: OtisBlkR1

There's good reason why we use Labs and Shepards.. never seen any form of law enforcement with a Pit bull in the back of there car.. two pennies.


Well then you have not been around CBP, Baltimore, Washington State Police, and Milwaukee use the breed as law enforcement dogs. I am sorry despite your experience and thank you for your service but I would not consider you as a canine expert.


As i mentioned earlier in the thread multiple times i ((((know))))) i am not a expert..

I have never worked in law enforcemnt outside of Indiana.

In Indiana i have never seen a pit-bull used for work.

For all of you that love pit bulls, great.. super, good for you. I truly hope that you never become one of the statistics, I know what a pit bull bite feels like.

Let me repeat something just one more time... "I know im not a expert, I AM NOT A EXPERT" I however do have a scar on my leg to always remind me just how great those dogs are.

and Dave thanks for the service comment, Im still in service just not for the state of Indiana, and no longer a K-9 handler.

 

[kenv]

If you can`t treat ANY dog with kindness as an owner, then you don`t deserve to own an animal. As a former police officer, I can tell you that there are a lot more so called "human beings" that I could put down a lot faster that I could a dog. I was once told by an acquaintance that his father had "working" dogs, & that he (the acquaintance)was not to be friendly with him. Long story short, the kid became friendly with the dog & his father took him & the dog out into the woods & shot the dog. I told him I would have shot the father.

 

[kenv]

Originally Posted By: surfstar
Replace 'pit bull' with 'gun' and we have the very same thread.

Fodder for another thread for sure, but- a gun is a tool to be used as necessary.

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