Pipeline Breaks Closing Most Southern Gas Stations

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Originally Posted By: Hokiefyd
Originally Posted By: zzyzzx
Originally Posted By: John_Conrad
Just out of curiosity, what happens to the gasoline that leaked out of the pipeline? How does that get disposed of? or is it somehow reused?

Like i said, i was just curious about it.


Won't it just evaporate?


No, it won't evaporate. I'm not up to speed on the nature of the spill, but it depends on the situation. If it spilled onto the ground surface, it likely ran across the ground and into a waterway somewhere. Dry creek beds will quickly collect spills like this and it'll seep into the ground, potentially contaminating the groundwater. If it's a wet creek, the gas will generally float on top of the water and can be transported a LONG way like that. In that case, hazmat crews will use spill containment booms on the water surface to try to contain the spill. In either case, it's a potentially a very complex and costly cleanup effort. Depending, obviously, on the amount and nature of the spill. Gasoline is certainly more volatile than diesel, but if we're talking about bulk quantities here, then there will be a spill response of some kind. Even if most of the gasoline volatilizes off and into the air, it will leave heavier constituents behind, which will have to be mitigated somehow.

I remember a big Colonial Pipeline spill in Herndon, VA, in the early '90s. Diesel fuel gushed out of the ruptured pipe like a geyser. We saw the plume in the air on our way to church that morning (it was right behind Reston Hospital along Baron Cameron Ave). Hazmat crews were already on scene, and I presume Colonial was, also, trying to get the pipe shut down. Most of the fuel spilled got into Sugarland Run, which drains to the Potomac River. They had an oil slick as far downstream as the mouth of the Chesapeake Bay (some 60-100 miles south on the Potomac). I used to ride my bike all the time in Sugarland Run Trail Park (paved trails along the stream), and I couldn't ride for weeks because the stench of diesel filled the air. There was a huge fish kill and all sorts of ecological problems.

Colonial had a huge PR response, including a massive picnic for the public up at Algonquin Park that summer.



from the article:


"State workers discovered the leak when they noticed a strong gasoline odor and sheen on a man-made retention pond, along with dead vegetation nearby, the Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration said in the report."

"From an ecological standpoint, the spill couldn't have happened at a better place or time because the terrain funneled the fuel into the pond and the water was low enough in the small lake to enable it to hold the gas, said Butler, of Cahaba Riverkeeper."

Just wondering after containment and clean up, where does the fuel, contaminated water and contaminated soil end up? Incineration? Landfill(least likely but you never know)? Once again just curious.
 
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Around me 90% of the fuel comes from two pipeline terminals. One is from BP and the other is from ??? Use to be a Shell terminal now it's a Phillips. But They use the same gas whether it's BP, Shell or Phillips station. Some do sell 93 octane premium, this is the only difference that can see and I believe the 93 octane stations use Marathon gas.

It's all generic gas now here. For sure there is no guarantee that BP stations have BP refined gas, same with Shell or Phillips or Casey's or Pilot. Marathon has their own refinery in Chicago. They also own Speedway chain I believe.
 
The lighter components of the gasoline will evaporate (probably already have). Maybe 10% - 15%?

Typically the recovered hydrocarbon will be re-refined.

Contaminated water is typically processed in a hydrocarbon wastewater treatment facility, such as at a refinery.

Soil is remediated in a number of ways; if grossly contaminated (muddy consistency with hydrocarbon) it's typically centrifuged and the soil after centrifuging and less contaminated soil are typically treated by thermal desorption.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_desorption

I don't know the specific plan for this spill but this is what's typical these days.
 
Originally Posted By: SHOZ
Marathon has their own refinery in Chicago. They also own Speedway chain I believe.


No Marathon Petroleum doesn't have a refinery in Chicago. The Marathon refinery in Illinois is at Robinson, about 4 hours drive south of Chicago.

http://www.marathonpetroleum.com/Operations/Refining_and_Marketing/Refining/

Marathon Petroleum does also own Speeedway, that's correct.

I retired from Marathon 4 years ago.
 
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Originally Posted By: Nyogtha
The lighter components of the gasoline will evaporate (probably already have). Maybe 10% - 15%?

Typically the recovered hydrocarbon will be re-refined.

Contaminated water is typically processed in a hydrocarbon wastewater treatment facility, such as at a refinery.

Soil is remediated in a number of ways; if grossly contaminated (muddy consistency with hydrocarbon) it's typically centrifuged and the soil after centrifuging and less contaminated soil are typically treated by thermal desorption.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_desorption


I don't know the specific plan for this spill but this is what's typical these days.


thank you for sharing this knowledge, i was just interested in the processes with out having an agenda or anything else other than my curiosity
 
Originally Posted By: Nyogtha
Originally Posted By: SHOZ
Marathon has their own refinery in Chicago. They also own Speedway chain I believe.


No Marathon Petroleum doesn't have a refinery in Chicago. The Marathon refinery in Illinois is at Robinson, about 4 hours drive south of Chicago.

http://www.marathonpetroleum.com/Operations/Refining_and_Marketing/Refining/

Marathon Petroleum does also own Speeedway, that's correct.

I retired from Marathon 4 years ago.
Correct.

Only refineries near Chicago that I know of are BP in Whiting, IN, Citgo in Lemont, IL, and Exxon/Mobil near Joliet. Clark used to have one in Blue Island, IL, but I think that has been closed. Don't quote me on that one, though.
 
Originally Posted By: Bamaro

First, I think you mean Top Tier, not Tier 1 and its not nonsense.
Second, it has been discussed over and over here that gas is basically a bulk commodity that is modified by brand at the terminal as a tanker is filled.


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Originally Posted By: John_Conrad
Just wondering after containment and clean up, where does the fuel, contaminated water and contaminated soil end up? Incineration? Landfill(least likely but you never know)? Once again just curious.


That does sound like a best-case scenario. They probably had to excavate some of the soil around the retention pond, but they're fortunate the fuel didn't get further than that. Longer-term cleanup might involve other types of soil remediation depending on the situation. Phytoremediation is sometimes appropriate if you can't get all the soil out, and if you have certain plant species that can remediate what's there. It's generally more useful when you have metals in the soil, I think, but there may be some species that works with hydrocarbons, too.

State regulations differ on how the contaminated media is handled if removed from the site. In NC, for example, you are allowed to simply stockpile the soil and aerate it. You could measure the VOCs with a meter periodically, and were able to back-fill the hole after a certain threshold was met. There are also contaminated soil landfills that are basically the same concept on larger scales. The contaminated water/fuel mixture will go to a hazmat facility where it'll be separated and the petroleum potentially re-refined into something else.
 
Originally Posted By: opus1
Originally Posted By: Nyogtha
Originally Posted By: SHOZ
Marathon has their own refinery in Chicago. They also own Speedway chain I believe.


No Marathon Petroleum doesn't have a refinery in Chicago. The Marathon refinery in Illinois is at Robinson, about 4 hours drive south of Chicago.

http://www.marathonpetroleum.com/Operations/Refining_and_Marketing/Refining/

Marathon Petroleum does also own Speeedway, that's correct.

I retired from Marathon 4 years ago.
Correct.

Only refineries near Chicago that I know of are BP in Whiting, IN, Citgo in Lemont, IL, and Exxon/Mobil near Joliet. Clark used to have one in Blue Island, IL, but I think that has been closed. Don't quote me on that one, though.


Correct on refineries in the Chicago area, this list isn't completely up to date but is close.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oil_refineries#United_States

Correct, the Blue Island refinery was permanently shuttered in 2001.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2001-...nmental-hazards

There was a criminal conviction associated with how that facility was operated.

Blue Island Wastewater Leak
 
Originally Posted By: SHOZ
Around me 90% of the fuel comes from two pipeline terminals. One is from BP and the other is from ??? Use to be a Shell terminal now it's a Phillips. But They use the same gas whether it's BP, Shell or Phillips station. Some do sell 93 octane premium, this is the only difference that can see and I believe the 93 octane stations use Marathon gas.

It's all generic gas now here. For sure there is no guarantee that BP stations have BP refined gas, same with Shell or Phillips or Casey's or Pilot. Marathon has their own refinery in Chicago. They also own Speedway chain I believe.


Roxanna/Wood River?
 
Strange to me that gas prices in my part of New England seem to have tipped down recently while there is this fuel crisis in the Southeast...hope that things down there get back to normal soon. I'm sure a good part of the shortage is due to people stocking up when they heard there might be shortages, but that is natural human behavior.
 
Originally Posted By: opus1
Originally Posted By: javacontour
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Roxanna/Wood River?
That's down south/southwest, near St. Louis.

Yep, here in IL. My BIL works there.

The Roxanna High School teams were called the Shells when I was growing up. Don't know if that's the case today as ConocoPhillips now runs the refinery.
 
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