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Originally Posted By: BigCahuna
When they find out that German bikes don't hold up as well as the outdated Harley's DO,


Now this is prime stuff.... implying that a Harley outlasts a BMW Boxer... you wouldn't be a stand-up comedian by any chance?
 
I am on vaction this week and am sitting at home relaxing.....just heard a "safety addict" lug his open-piped wonder in front of the house.... funny, I could have swore there was no traffic around....... or do they feel threatened by parked cars too? lol
 
You are correct and I apologize. I tried reason and a respectful discourse, all to no avail (need I remind everyone, however, that I received smart-a** comments fairly early on). I am guilty of running out of patience when confronted with total lack of respect for others, as is the case with the practice on trial here, so to speak. I am guilty of getting bent out of shape when a bunch of individuals for whom motorcycling is but a passing fancy, threatten an activity that is very dear to me, that I have been eating, sleeping and breathing for over 35 years and hope to continue doing so for many more years, long after most of "them" have moved on to the next "flavour of the day".

In the end, however, I cannnot bring myself to respect those who have no respect for others. I cannot, for the life of me, comprehend how anyone can be so totally and utterly impervious to others, so downright disrepectful and then expect to be treated with anything even remotely resembling respect.... If they (open-pipe crowd) would only exhibit the slightest bit of common courtesy (slip-ons are fine, we all love a nice exhaust sound, but no one loves to have their eardrums reduced to mush or be awakened by a moron revving his engine at all hours of the night and morning; or at least contain yourselves in residential areas) we'd all be better off.....

Granted, two wrongs don't make a right, but alas, I am only human.......
 
Originally Posted By: Mik
I am on vaction this week and am sitting at home relaxing.....just heard a "safety addict" lug his open-piped wonder in front of the house.... funny, I could have swore there was no traffic around....... or do they feel threatened by parked cars too? lol


gawd i love you man!!!

you know what i dearly love?

the fact that mr straight pipe can blow 130+db on the road and drive it right up to the US National Forrest Ranger station (2 miles inside the gate) and yet my dirtbike is given a ticket for hitting 97db or not having a screen.
 
Originally Posted By: Mik
You are correct and I apologize. I tried reason and a respectful discourse, all to no avail (need I remind everyone, however, that I received smart-a** comments fairly early on). I am guilty of running out of patience when confronted with total lack of respect for others, as is the case with the practice on trial here, so to speak. I am guilty of getting bent out of shape when a bunch of individuals for whom motorcycling is but a passing fancy, threatten an activity that is very dear to me, that I have been eating, sleeping and breathing for over 35 years and hope to continue doing so for many more years, long after most of "them" have moved on to the next "flavour of the day".

In the end, however, I cannnot bring myself to respect those who have no respect for others. I cannot, for the life of me, comprehend how anyone can be so totally and utterly impervious to others, so downright disrepectful and then expect to be treated with anything even remotely resembling respect.... If they (open-pipe crowd) would only exhibit the slightest bit of common courtesy (slip-ons are fine, we all love a nice exhaust sound, but no one loves to have their eardrums reduced to mush or be awakened by a moron revving his engine at all hours of the night and morning; or at least contain yourselves in residential areas) we'd all be better off.....

Granted, two wrongs don't make a right, but alas, I am only human.......
Don't get your skirt in a uproar because your scared of the big bad loud motorcycle. I've backed up my statements with articles available to anyone interested enough to look for them. Crying about it may be they way the do it in Canada I don't know, but try to open your narrow minds. Lots of facts here, where's your?. http://www.carpeylaw.com/2012/01/common-...ylvania-riders/
 
Open my mind... now there's some irony for ya........ As for facts, you should re-read the previous posts. AS for me, I have spoken to numerous manufacturer reps over the years (worked in the motorcycle industry and had long convesations with many on numerous occasions), as well as to police forces and rider trainers. I have been riding for 35 years, and likely rack up more miles than you and all your poser buddies combined. Besides, having something on Net doesn't necessarily make it true, though I don't mean to shake you out of the delusion you have obviously worked so hard to develop and nurture.....

I am relieved and take comfort in one thing, however, as many have stepped up to voice their disgust (and provided clear examples of the casualties brought on by your asinine behaviour) with the total lack of respect of your lot.... so please, keep up the good work, and you're right, learning to ride properly is way over-rated...... After all, why would you wnat to work at truly protecting yourself and improving your chances of survival when instaed you can just pi** everyone around you off... you get way more attention this way, which is what it's really all about anyhow....

Alas, who says neanderthals are extinct....... they are alive and well (and a pain in the butt to those of us who have common decency), and ride open-piped Harleys...... Oh well, the good thing is that most of you posers will move on to something else in the ensuing years as conformists are so apt to do, and then we'll be rid of most your obnoxious paint mixers......

as for how we do things in Canada, you'll likely never know, as that would require you to open your mind and actually leave your little enclave to find out......

In hindsight, I should have listed to the wisdom of George Carlin: "Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.”
 
Originally Posted By: sunruh
Originally Posted By: Mik
I am on vaction this week and am sitting at home relaxing.....just heard a "safety addict" lug his open-piped wonder in front of the house.... funny, I could have swore there was no traffic around....... or do they feel threatened by parked cars too? lol


gawd i love you man!!!

you know what i dearly love?

the fact that mr straight pipe can blow 130+db on the road and drive it right up to the US National Forrest Ranger station (2 miles inside the gate) and yet my dirtbike is given a ticket for hitting 97db or not having a screen.


yes, but he's doing it for safety reasons, remember.......
 
in the end, all I can say is humanity is doomed, just too many people in the shallow end of the gene pool.....

I apologize to those I offended along the way, was not my intention..... I learned my lesson with this thread and will not engage in trying to reason with the "unreasonable" any more... this place deserves better.....

To get this back on track, some more "ear candy" for those of you who can appreciate it....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwCF7jX9vIA
 
Originally Posted By: Mik
Originally Posted By: BigCahuna
When they find out that German bikes don't hold up as well as the outdated Harley's DO,


Now this is prime stuff.... implying that a Harley outlasts a BMW Boxer... you wouldn't be a stand-up comedian by any chance?
LOL, never had my boxer overheat in traffic even on a 90 degree day. Hard for the cycle squad to run down bad guys when the motors are frozen solid.
 
Originally Posted By: whip
I'm a former MSF instructor. I've owned Harleys, and Japanese bikes. To those that justify loud pipes as a safety device, I have one question. I see numerous guys riding stock Goldwings and BMWs. They ride them non stop, and for the most part are accident free. How is that possible?
For those that don't think training is valuable, I assume you've never taken any classes on riding? Maybe next summer, they could open their mind, and take a course, any course, and then revisit this issue.

One other thing about loud bikes. If motorcyclist don't govern ourselves, some one else will. Do you really want to government deciding whats best for your bike?
Pearls before swine, I'm afraid.
 
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: Robenstein
Originally Posted By: Mik
it would be funny were it not for the fact that these noise makers are beginning to really harm motorcycling in a society that is ever-increasingly obsessed with quietness, right to quality of life and curbing noise pollution (which is EXACTLY what it is) .... if they only ruined it for themselves I truly couldn't care less, but when it causes bikes to be banned from an increasingly number of neighborhoods, towns and other public areas for those who ride in a repectful manner, it pi**es me off (and obviously, many others too).......


Maybe aim some of that anger at the government officials responsible for banning bikes from those areas in your country. Sounds like common sense sure went out the window with the creation of them. While I do not like overly loud pipes and prefer just ones with a pleasant grunty exhaust note, I do not disparage those that do own bikes with loud exhausts because I believe in both freedom of expression and the pursuit of happiness. I say live and let live. Ride what you want and enjoy it. There have been loud Harleys and other bikes forever.


Your freedom of expression ends where the damage to my ear drums begins. Sorry, if I want to intentionally damage my hearing I'll go watch the top fuel cars run or go to a Metallica concert. Being subjected to BLAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTT- BUH-GWAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH on a one way friggin' street with a 50Km/h limit with buildings on either side with the noise to bounce off of isn't one of my chosen methods of hearing impairment, that's why there are noise pollution laws in existence because apparently people aren't considerate enough to self-govern their noise output.

I used to be a regular rider (before getting into Mustangs) and it never once crossed my mind that I should just abandon my driving skills and awareness and instead just slap straight pipes on my gixxer because being an obnoxious self-absorbed jacka$$ was somehow a better method of self preservation.

It is quite possible to have a louder-than-stock good sounding bike that doesn't deafen everybody within a 500ft radius yet still manages to satisfy the desire to experience the sweet sound of your favourite engine note. There are a wide variety of aftermarket exhaust manufacturers who provide just that!

When I see a guy on a big V-twin with straight pipes barking the [censored] out of the beast on a completely empty residential street, rattling the windows in my house, the first thought to cross my mind isn't "well, he needs to make all the noise he can so that he can be safe and doesn't get run over" because about the only thing he's at risk of being hit by is the Flying Dutchman or some other invisible ghost ship that might smite down his very existence if he doesn't rev the tar out of his noisemaker to ward off those demons.

Sorry, this "gotta be loud to stay alive" is the biggest strawman/crutch combo I've ever heard. And it is ruining the sport. Not because lawmakers are "evil and violating our freedoms", because nobody wants to hear the sound of a 1952 Massey Ferguson with a megaphone on its stack being piped into our eardrums. People don't like it, even other riders don't like it! That's why these laws are being passed. Because nobody deserves to be subjected to this auditory beat-down whenever they are in the presence of a motorcycle.
Agreed, some of the neatest sounds I hear from motorcycle engines come from multi inline engines. If you understand anything about exhaust science, you know that "loud" doesn't always mean proper extraction.
 
Originally Posted By: Mik
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Case in point.... does anyone really think this is an effecient and effective riding position from which to undertake an evasive manoeuver? Notice the small single front disc? This on a bike that likely weighs in the neighbourhood of 600+ lbs? Assuming the chap even knows how to use it (which is often NOT the case with this crowd; don't beleive me, ask rider training instructors.... I have!) he is still an accidnet looking for a place to happen. Oh, but wait, he'll be ok, he is running open pipes.........
Got a surgeon friend who calls 'em "donorcycles". Usually the "head part" isn't much use.
 
Originally Posted By: BigCahuna
Originally Posted By: Mik
ironically, though it came out in 1966 (47 years ago for those who are numerically challenged), the little Honda six is more technologically advanced than a brand new Hog......... Yes, we don't all like potatoes.... though I must confess to enjoy eating them......
Too bad out of the thousands of advanced Hondas that were ever made, only a few actually have someone that remembers them. Why doesn't all that technology stand the test of time? The japanese bikes have to keep getting reinvented and marketed as the next new thing. Harley's may be perceived as "tractors", but tractors last a long time. Like they say if it ain't broke and still outsells the rest, don't fix it.,,,
Yeah, sure, Howley outsells Honda....more than 225 law enforcement agencies in the US use BMW bikes.
 
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Originally Posted By: BigCahuna
Like he's never been run off the road by someone saying" I didn't see or hear him". You guys must not ride much. Dress like Flash Gorden if you want to, but the fact you don't want to acknowledge is sound works better then knowing the rules of the road, or wearing a bright vest no one is looking to see.,,
Originally Posted By: Mik
no worries mate... keep it up... soon we'll all show up at your place (trailering, of course) to ride up and down your driveway, as it will the only place left to ride....... think of how safe we'll all be then.........

shame on me for thinking it was possible to have an intelligent exchange with someone whose mindset has no place for the effect of their actions on others...... Heaven help us all......


You really aren't contributing to any intelligent exchange here.
Big Cahuna has expressed his point of view to which you have jumped all over him and chastised him for.
I for one can say my v&h 2 into 1 pro pipe is loud when I get into it but if I'm easy on the throttle its sedate,and I can truly say almost daily a rev of my engine has stopped someone from pushing me over onto the sidewalk,so yes,my pipes have absolutely brought attention when it was required to avoid potential accident but my wits have saved me more.
I don't think its up to you,or anyone to tell me what to do. What to wear,what pipes I should or shouldn't have and its not the people with the loud pipes ruining the hobby,its the crybaby whiners who are ruining it.
As proven by a member or 2 in this thread. I'm happy to be in sask where I can put whatever pipes I want to on,and I only have to read the posts from the whiners,because those whiners aren't sayin much when I'm standing there,only when I leave and the whiners are sure I can't hear them complain.
 
Originally Posted By: HerrStig
Originally Posted By: BigCahuna
Originally Posted By: Mik
ironically, though it came out in 1966 (47 years ago for those who are numerically challenged), the little Honda six is more technologically advanced than a brand new Hog......... Yes, we don't all like potatoes.... though I must confess to enjoy eating them......
Too bad out of the thousands of advanced Hondas that were ever made, only a few actually have someone that remembers them. Why doesn't all that technology stand the test of time? The japanese bikes have to keep getting reinvented and marketed as the next new thing. Harley's may be perceived as "tractors", but tractors last a long time. Like they say if it ain't broke and still outsells the rest, don't fix it.,,,
Yeah, sure, Howley outsells Honda....more than 225 law enforcement agencies in the US use BMW bikes.


Have you seen those Honda bikes they use as tow vehicles. Now that says more than words about the quality of the bikes.
 
My Mother-In-Law is a Motorcycle Safety Instructor, at age 74!!

She says that "weekenders" are the worst riders, the folks who just ride for recreation. I guarantee you if you passed her course you would learn some useful stuff.

My wife is a Therapist, she says the worst thing that happens in a motorcycle accident is you survive... damaged.

And loud pipes only work well until everyone has them. It's all relative.
 
Originally Posted By: Clevy

I don't think its up to you,or anyone to tell me what to do. What to wear,what pipes I should or shouldn't have and its not the people with the loud pipes ruining the hobby,its the crybaby whiners who are ruining it.

Just remember the biggest "cry baby whiners" are non motorcyclist. If they whine loud enough, the government will tell you what you can and can't do on your bike.

I said it before, and it bears repeating. If we don't govern ourselves, someone else will.

This is old, but don't think it can't happen again.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1998-12-04/news/9812040183_1_speed-limit-motorcycles-ban
 
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