Still at it Trajan? New set of orders come in because of the recent thread lock? Why not read all of what he said.
Oh Gawd - ANOTHER MMO thread
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Originally Posted By: Trav
Originally Posted By: HackNutz
Originally Posted By: Clevy
As far as cam galling I assume you want more film strength. I don't feel mmo will help in that regard.
You want a can of mos2. Problem solved.
Or use red line oil exclusively at 5000-6000 mile intervals. Yes it's gonna cost you but would you rather spend a little more now or alot later. If the issue is known then I would get in front of it with an oil that is known to be the absolute top of the game.
I feel red line oils are overkill in daily driver however overkill is what you need. They have extremely high additive levels but if its an oil burner your cats may suffer.
But again you need to weigh out the pros and cons and decide which is the lesser and greater evil. Your wallet should decide this one
This bike has a wet clutch so using Moly is out of the question. Good suggestion though. I'll go research Red Line oils.
Thanks everybody - I'll keep you posted.
No it means you need to reduce the dose. to 2% maximum.
Per LiquiMoly
Motorenöl. Bei Motorrädern mit Nasskupplung maximal 2% der Ölfüllmenge beigeben.
Edit: I used this in the 80's in a VF1100c without any clutch issues for over 100K
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Awesome. Thanks Trav/chief amigo
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: HackNutz
I spent spend some time researching LiquiMoly as Trav suggested.
will have to seriously consider this.
Thanks everybody! sorry to have started another donnybrook.
Trav's been around the block a few times, and knows exactly what he's talking about. I go with his recommendations w/o hesitation.
I am with dermapaint on this one. Trav has forgotten more than I will ever know and I'm thankful he is a part of this community. His advice is always stellar and prudent,and I've never seen a post of his where he suggests doing anything more than required,which may end up costing a member more money by doing anything that is redundant or not addressing the actual issue.
As far as I'm concerned the forum is fortunate to have guys like Trav,dermapaint,mystic. They are all honest,no agenda and don't make recommendations unless they are certain about the product and application.
Originally Posted By: HackNutz
Originally Posted By: Clevy
As far as cam galling I assume you want more film strength. I don't feel mmo will help in that regard.
You want a can of mos2. Problem solved.
Or use red line oil exclusively at 5000-6000 mile intervals. Yes it's gonna cost you but would you rather spend a little more now or alot later. If the issue is known then I would get in front of it with an oil that is known to be the absolute top of the game.
I feel red line oils are overkill in daily driver however overkill is what you need. They have extremely high additive levels but if its an oil burner your cats may suffer.
But again you need to weigh out the pros and cons and decide which is the lesser and greater evil. Your wallet should decide this one
This bike has a wet clutch so using Moly is out of the question. Good suggestion though. I'll go research Red Line oils.
Thanks everybody - I'll keep you posted.
No it means you need to reduce the dose. to 2% maximum.
Per LiquiMoly
Motorenöl. Bei Motorrädern mit Nasskupplung maximal 2% der Ölfüllmenge beigeben.
Edit: I used this in the 80's in a VF1100c without any clutch issues for over 100K
.
Awesome. Thanks Trav/chief amigo
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: HackNutz
I spent spend some time researching LiquiMoly as Trav suggested.
will have to seriously consider this.
Thanks everybody! sorry to have started another donnybrook.
Trav's been around the block a few times, and knows exactly what he's talking about. I go with his recommendations w/o hesitation.
I am with dermapaint on this one. Trav has forgotten more than I will ever know and I'm thankful he is a part of this community. His advice is always stellar and prudent,and I've never seen a post of his where he suggests doing anything more than required,which may end up costing a member more money by doing anything that is redundant or not addressing the actual issue.
As far as I'm concerned the forum is fortunate to have guys like Trav,dermapaint,mystic. They are all honest,no agenda and don't make recommendations unless they are certain about the product and application.
Originally Posted By: Trajan
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: HackNutz
I spent spend some time researching LiquiMoly as Trav suggested.
will have to seriously consider this.
Thanks everybody! sorry to have started another donnybrook.
Trav's been around the block a few times, and knows exactly what he's talking about. I go with his recommendations w/o hesitation.
And when he said to leave all these wizards in the bottle on the shelf. did you go with that?
Trajan. I have no issue with you on a personal level however from the posts I've seen of yours its very rare that you answer any op's questions. You seem more interested in following mmo threads and bashing on them. Is it that you are on some form of anti-mmo rampage based on some form of failure the product caused you,or is it personal vs the few members you single out.
I've seen you post where mmo helped your situation,yet you continually pick at a couple of members posts and try to discredit them in some way shape or form.
Again,nothing personal but wouldn't this focus be better directed in helping members with their questions,not trying to discredit posts from members who's genuine intention is to help answer the OP's question.
I have no bone to pick with you Trajan nor am I trying to insult nor offend you in any way. I just find that many of your posts don't bear on the question posed,they tend to be more of a passive attack at members who are just trying to help by sharing their personal experiences.
You don't need to answer this posts,however by all means justify your actions,I am just posting a comment based on what I observe of your posts.
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: HackNutz
I spent spend some time researching LiquiMoly as Trav suggested.
will have to seriously consider this.
Thanks everybody! sorry to have started another donnybrook.
Trav's been around the block a few times, and knows exactly what he's talking about. I go with his recommendations w/o hesitation.
And when he said to leave all these wizards in the bottle on the shelf. did you go with that?
Trajan. I have no issue with you on a personal level however from the posts I've seen of yours its very rare that you answer any op's questions. You seem more interested in following mmo threads and bashing on them. Is it that you are on some form of anti-mmo rampage based on some form of failure the product caused you,or is it personal vs the few members you single out.
I've seen you post where mmo helped your situation,yet you continually pick at a couple of members posts and try to discredit them in some way shape or form.
Again,nothing personal but wouldn't this focus be better directed in helping members with their questions,not trying to discredit posts from members who's genuine intention is to help answer the OP's question.
I have no bone to pick with you Trajan nor am I trying to insult nor offend you in any way. I just find that many of your posts don't bear on the question posed,they tend to be more of a passive attack at members who are just trying to help by sharing their personal experiences.
You don't need to answer this posts,however by all means justify your actions,I am just posting a comment based on what I observe of your posts.
For some people 'leaving all of the wizards on the shelf' only applies to certain products, like Kreen and MMO. So maybe that should be changed to 'Leave some of the wizards on the shelf. I will tell you which wizards are acceptable.'
After Kreen and MMO are discredited then it will be time to introduce the non-solvent product that works-the true 'wizard in a can.' But it is necessary to discredit Kreen and MMO first despite of all of the positive personal experiences of people at this website. All of the numerous positive experiences can of course be thrown out.
People will be told how dangerous MMO is. Don't spill any on your hands for goodness sakes! And how you have to be dishonest to buy Kreen.
After Kreen and MMO are discredited then it will be time to introduce the non-solvent product that works-the true 'wizard in a can.' But it is necessary to discredit Kreen and MMO first despite of all of the positive personal experiences of people at this website. All of the numerous positive experiences can of course be thrown out.
People will be told how dangerous MMO is. Don't spill any on your hands for goodness sakes! And how you have to be dishonest to buy Kreen.
It has been an interesting week in the oil additive section. We have a few members working very hard at new and old ways to attack Kreen and MMO. Some are interesting, others totally lame, some are entertaining. The truth is it's getting real old.
I kind of wonder what is in it for the people who campaign so hard against Kreen and MMO and promote another product. Either some people have incredible hatred for Kreen and MMO or else what could possibly be enough to keep this up? An entire case of some other product would not be enough for me.
I don't believe in STP but if somebody started a post and were saying how great STP was I certainly would not go all out to try to convince everybody that STP was worthless. I might post a little bit but in the end I don't care if somebody uses STP or not.
So why do some people work so hard to try to convince everybody here not to use Kreen and MMO? In the end, why do they care? And in the end if somebody wants to use Kreen, STP, LM, Lubegard, Auto-RX, Slick50, Tufoil, MMO, or whatever, they are going to use what they are going to use. Who really cares?
It is sort of like this guy who used the user name of Skyship and tried to convince everybody to not use engine cleaners and oil supplements. A completely useless thing to do here. If somebody wants to use something they will. A waste of time to try to stop people from using whatever they are going to use.
What I like are the personal experiences of people who have tried various products. I want to find out if people have had positive or negative experiences. Is that not what the Oil Additives Section is for?
I don't believe in STP but if somebody started a post and were saying how great STP was I certainly would not go all out to try to convince everybody that STP was worthless. I might post a little bit but in the end I don't care if somebody uses STP or not.
So why do some people work so hard to try to convince everybody here not to use Kreen and MMO? In the end, why do they care? And in the end if somebody wants to use Kreen, STP, LM, Lubegard, Auto-RX, Slick50, Tufoil, MMO, or whatever, they are going to use what they are going to use. Who really cares?
It is sort of like this guy who used the user name of Skyship and tried to convince everybody to not use engine cleaners and oil supplements. A completely useless thing to do here. If somebody wants to use something they will. A waste of time to try to stop people from using whatever they are going to use.
What I like are the personal experiences of people who have tried various products. I want to find out if people have had positive or negative experiences. Is that not what the Oil Additives Section is for?
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
It has been an interesting week in the oil additive section. We have a few members working very hard at new and old ways to attack Kreen and MMO. Some are interesting, others totally lame, some are entertaining. The truth is it's getting real old.
Let us know when your "respected members" give the next guy who says arx worked better than kreen baseless grief.
It has been an interesting week in the oil additive section. We have a few members working very hard at new and old ways to attack Kreen and MMO. Some are interesting, others totally lame, some are entertaining. The truth is it's getting real old.
Let us know when your "respected members" give the next guy who says arx worked better than kreen baseless grief.
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Still at it Trajan? New set of orders come in because of the recent thread lock? Why not read all of what he said.
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/posts/2308528/
quote=Trav]
If you are using a Synthetic oil leave the wizards in a bottle on the shelf if you are using anything less then yes they may be of some benefit but at the and of the day you are just trying to turn a dog into a fox.
Getting flack jacket and asbestos suit on now! LOL [/quote]
I also remember when three of you dogpiled on to Artem because he dared to say arx worked better than kreen. And only "apologized" after he said it didn't work all that well. (Which by the way still means it worked better than kreen.)
So is that what your "respected members" do? What is a "respected" member anyway? Where is the list? Who determines the list?
And why give a member grief because he mentions something he heard on CarTalk? Is that what a "respected" member does? Attack people who are not mmo fans?
And what orders are you talking about? Come right out and say it.
Still at it Trajan? New set of orders come in because of the recent thread lock? Why not read all of what he said.
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/posts/2308528/
quote=Trav]
If you are using a Synthetic oil leave the wizards in a bottle on the shelf if you are using anything less then yes they may be of some benefit but at the and of the day you are just trying to turn a dog into a fox.
Getting flack jacket and asbestos suit on now! LOL [/quote]
I also remember when three of you dogpiled on to Artem because he dared to say arx worked better than kreen. And only "apologized" after he said it didn't work all that well. (Which by the way still means it worked better than kreen.)
So is that what your "respected members" do? What is a "respected" member anyway? Where is the list? Who determines the list?
And why give a member grief because he mentions something he heard on CarTalk? Is that what a "respected" member does? Attack people who are not mmo fans?
And what orders are you talking about? Come right out and say it.
Let me make that a little clearer for you.
If you buy cheap low grade oil and spend money on over the counter additives to improve it you are throwing money out the window and trying to turn a dog (the cheap oil) into a fox. Just go and buy a good synthetic.
That thread was referring to high end full synthetic oils.
Why would anyone want to add anything to it in a clean good running engine?
That question is still valid.
Personally i don't use many additives, i don't need them often but when i have a problem engine that has sludge or sticking lifter etc then sure i have some go to products that have proven themselves to work and work very well. ARX was not one of them!
Additives have their place and when used for specific issues can be a real benefit but they can be just easily misused.
I know you don't like this answer because you have been ranting on my comment for over a year.
Thats what i meant and unless you have reading or comprehension difficulties which i don't believe you do you know it so get over it.
Trajan IMO your incessant trolling of these threads for no reason other than disrupt someones thread and promote a product is getting out of control. I hope the mods do something about it.
If you buy cheap low grade oil and spend money on over the counter additives to improve it you are throwing money out the window and trying to turn a dog (the cheap oil) into a fox. Just go and buy a good synthetic.
That thread was referring to high end full synthetic oils.
Why would anyone want to add anything to it in a clean good running engine?
That question is still valid.
Personally i don't use many additives, i don't need them often but when i have a problem engine that has sludge or sticking lifter etc then sure i have some go to products that have proven themselves to work and work very well. ARX was not one of them!
Additives have their place and when used for specific issues can be a real benefit but they can be just easily misused.
I know you don't like this answer because you have been ranting on my comment for over a year.
Thats what i meant and unless you have reading or comprehension difficulties which i don't believe you do you know it so get over it.
Trajan IMO your incessant trolling of these threads for no reason other than disrupt someones thread and promote a product is getting out of control. I hope the mods do something about it.
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Originally Posted By: Trajan
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
It has been an interesting week in the oil additive section. We have a few members working very hard at new and old ways to attack Kreen and MMO. Some are interesting, others totally lame, some are entertaining. The truth is it's getting real old.
Let us know when your "respected members" give the next guy who says arx worked better than kreen baseless grief.
Good thread from 2011
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/posts/2308528/
The search engine works.
Got a new set of orders to bring this to the top again Trajan? It sure looks that way we stopped posting days ago in this thread. Why not talk about it on the A-Rx board? Or is that a board where only one or two people can discuss things, and only after their comments are approved or edited?
As far as A-Rx working better than Kreen goes LOL, and a respected member Trav stated his comments about that once again.
People should use the search engine, it has all been covered, and the lovers and haters are in those threads too. The best of the threads were locked, let the people searching see why.
I agree the mods should put an end to this trolling and bringing these threads up to the top again and again when Trolling or looking to stir the pot was the main intent.
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
It has been an interesting week in the oil additive section. We have a few members working very hard at new and old ways to attack Kreen and MMO. Some are interesting, others totally lame, some are entertaining. The truth is it's getting real old.
Let us know when your "respected members" give the next guy who says arx worked better than kreen baseless grief.
Good thread from 2011
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/posts/2308528/
The search engine works.
Got a new set of orders to bring this to the top again Trajan? It sure looks that way we stopped posting days ago in this thread. Why not talk about it on the A-Rx board? Or is that a board where only one or two people can discuss things, and only after their comments are approved or edited?
As far as A-Rx working better than Kreen goes LOL, and a respected member Trav stated his comments about that once again.
People should use the search engine, it has all been covered, and the lovers and haters are in those threads too. The best of the threads were locked, let the people searching see why.
I agree the mods should put an end to this trolling and bringing these threads up to the top again and again when Trolling or looking to stir the pot was the main intent.
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I apologize to the board. I was seeking advice and out-of-the-box thinking on how to prevent cam galling on my racing sidecar motor.
I got the answer I needed, but didn't expect, so the board works great!
Again, my apologies for starting a religious donnybrook.
I got the answer I needed, but didn't expect, so the board works great!
Again, my apologies for starting a religious donnybrook.
Sorry Hack for this thread taking the turn it has. You asked a honest question looking for an additive to address an on going problem with cam lobe galling.
I hope the stuff works for you and it should thats what it was made for, the company makes top shelf product that really work.
Unfortunately there are a few members here that are IMO nothing more than professional trolls that like nothing more than to hijack threads and disrupt the board.
It is us that should be apologizing to you!
I hope the stuff works for you and it should thats what it was made for, the company makes top shelf product that really work.
Unfortunately there are a few members here that are IMO nothing more than professional trolls that like nothing more than to hijack threads and disrupt the board.
It is us that should be apologizing to you!
Originally Posted By: Trav
It is us that should be apologizing to you!
This is true, sorry hack. Maybe the trolls will allow this thread to fall off the first page now, or better yet maybe the mods will lock it up.
It is us that should be apologizing to you!
This is true, sorry hack. Maybe the trolls will allow this thread to fall off the first page now, or better yet maybe the mods will lock it up.
Originally Posted By: Clevy
Originally Posted By: Trajan
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: HackNutz
I spent spend some time researching LiquiMoly as Trav suggested.
will have to seriously consider this.
Thanks everybody! sorry to have started another donnybrook.
Trav's been around the block a few times, and knows exactly what he's talking about. I go with his recommendations w/o hesitation.
And when he said to leave all these wizards in the bottle on the shelf. did you go with that?
Trajan. I have no issue with you on a personal level however from the posts I've seen of yours its very rare that you answer any op's questions. You seem more interested in following mmo threads and bashing on them. Is it that you are on some form of anti-mmo rampage based on some form of failure the product caused you,or is it personal vs the few members you single out.
I've seen you post where mmo helped your situation,yet you continually pick at a couple of members posts and try to discredit them in some way shape or form.
Again,nothing personal but wouldn't this focus be better directed in helping members with their questions,not trying to discredit posts from members who's genuine intention is to help answer the OP's question.
I have no bone to pick with you Trajan nor am I trying to insult nor offend you in any way. I just find that many of your posts don't bear on the question posed,they tend to be more of a passive attack at members who are just trying to help by sharing their personal experiences.
You don't need to answer this posts,however by all means justify your actions,I am just posting a comment based on what I observe of your posts.
Sayin it again. Sad.
Originally Posted By: Trajan
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: HackNutz
I spent spend some time researching LiquiMoly as Trav suggested.
will have to seriously consider this.
Thanks everybody! sorry to have started another donnybrook.
Trav's been around the block a few times, and knows exactly what he's talking about. I go with his recommendations w/o hesitation.
And when he said to leave all these wizards in the bottle on the shelf. did you go with that?
Trajan. I have no issue with you on a personal level however from the posts I've seen of yours its very rare that you answer any op's questions. You seem more interested in following mmo threads and bashing on them. Is it that you are on some form of anti-mmo rampage based on some form of failure the product caused you,or is it personal vs the few members you single out.
I've seen you post where mmo helped your situation,yet you continually pick at a couple of members posts and try to discredit them in some way shape or form.
Again,nothing personal but wouldn't this focus be better directed in helping members with their questions,not trying to discredit posts from members who's genuine intention is to help answer the OP's question.
I have no bone to pick with you Trajan nor am I trying to insult nor offend you in any way. I just find that many of your posts don't bear on the question posed,they tend to be more of a passive attack at members who are just trying to help by sharing their personal experiences.
You don't need to answer this posts,however by all means justify your actions,I am just posting a comment based on what I observe of your posts.
Sayin it again. Sad.
Originally Posted By: Clevy
Sayin it again. Sad.
It is sad. I vote mercy lock. The thread is now totally played out, and there is no more useful information here.
On the bright side, Trav did answer a question for a new member and hopefully that info will help him out.
Sayin it again. Sad.
It is sad. I vote mercy lock. The thread is now totally played out, and there is no more useful information here.
On the bright side, Trav did answer a question for a new member and hopefully that info will help him out.
The only problem is that this sort of thing could become a new tactic for the promoters. They could hijack any post on Kreen or MMO and manage to get the post locked and it would become impossible to even discuss Kreen or MMO. This is to a large degree what is already happening.
Already if somebody starts any sort of post involving Kreen or MMO the promoters of another product attack and use whatever tactics they can come up with to try to discredit Kreen and MMO. They demand scientific proof (which any logical person knows will not come about for any of these products), claim scientific proof for their own product because somebody with a compression tester of unknown quality allegedly did some compression tests, or perhaps even start up their own bogus Kreen or MMO post with a secret agenda to discredit the products.
The Oil Additives Section is I believe supposed to be the section where people can discuss engine cleaners and oil supplements. It has become extremely difficult to achieve that. In order to have discussions about any product there has to be both positive and negative comments but these posts are being sidetracked, there are personal attacks on members, and even bogus posts. Post after post gets locked up by moderators when things get completely out of hand.
Can we please be allowed to discuss various products here in the Oil Additives Section like we are supposed to be allowed to do?
Already if somebody starts any sort of post involving Kreen or MMO the promoters of another product attack and use whatever tactics they can come up with to try to discredit Kreen and MMO. They demand scientific proof (which any logical person knows will not come about for any of these products), claim scientific proof for their own product because somebody with a compression tester of unknown quality allegedly did some compression tests, or perhaps even start up their own bogus Kreen or MMO post with a secret agenda to discredit the products.
The Oil Additives Section is I believe supposed to be the section where people can discuss engine cleaners and oil supplements. It has become extremely difficult to achieve that. In order to have discussions about any product there has to be both positive and negative comments but these posts are being sidetracked, there are personal attacks on members, and even bogus posts. Post after post gets locked up by moderators when things get completely out of hand.
Can we please be allowed to discuss various products here in the Oil Additives Section like we are supposed to be allowed to do?
Originally Posted By: Mystic
The only problem is that this sort of thing could become a new tactic for the promoters. They could hijack any post on Kreen or MMO and manage to get the post locked and it would become impossible to even discuss Kreen or MMO. This is to a large degree what is already happening.
That's OK, the locked threads still remain in the archives to be pulled up with a simple search. Then people can see who caused the lock and why. Of the locked threads I must say my favorite is the paid posters thread, that one is Epic!
The only problem is that this sort of thing could become a new tactic for the promoters. They could hijack any post on Kreen or MMO and manage to get the post locked and it would become impossible to even discuss Kreen or MMO. This is to a large degree what is already happening.
That's OK, the locked threads still remain in the archives to be pulled up with a simple search. Then people can see who caused the lock and why. Of the locked threads I must say my favorite is the paid posters thread, that one is Epic!
Originally Posted By: Mystic
The Oil Additives Section is I believe supposed to be the section where people can discuss engine cleaners and oil supplements. It has become extremely difficult to achieve that. In order to have discussions about any product there has to be both positive and negative comments but these posts are being sidetracked, there are personal attacks on members, and even bogus posts. Post after post gets locked up by moderators when things get completely out of hand.
Can we please be allowed to discuss various products here in the Oil Additives Section like we are supposed to be allowed to do?
Here here!
I still do not understand why additive "haters" are even on this forum. Ousting them still leaves plenty of room for both positive and negative discussion. They could be effectively ousted if more regulars here would employ the "Ignore" button. Hard to derail a thread or ruin a forum in nobody is paying any attention to you.
Or more easily said, do not feed the trolls!
The Oil Additives Section is I believe supposed to be the section where people can discuss engine cleaners and oil supplements. It has become extremely difficult to achieve that. In order to have discussions about any product there has to be both positive and negative comments but these posts are being sidetracked, there are personal attacks on members, and even bogus posts. Post after post gets locked up by moderators when things get completely out of hand.
Can we please be allowed to discuss various products here in the Oil Additives Section like we are supposed to be allowed to do?
Here here!
I still do not understand why additive "haters" are even on this forum. Ousting them still leaves plenty of room for both positive and negative discussion. They could be effectively ousted if more regulars here would employ the "Ignore" button. Hard to derail a thread or ruin a forum in nobody is paying any attention to you.
Or more easily said, do not feed the trolls!
Originally Posted By: KCJeep
Mystic said:They could be effectively ousted if more regulars here would employ the "Ignore" button. Hard to derail a thread or ruin a forum in nobody is paying any attention to you.
Or more easily said, do not feed the trolls!
Good idea. I have to add a few more members to my ignore list. I have a bunch of reincarnates on there and a few established members, but my list obviously isn't complete. I wish a few more people would add me to their ignore list too.
Actually KCJeep that is a good idea. I do have a few people here on ignore. There is still the problem of bogus posts where somebody supposedly wants to discuss Kreen or MMO and instead they are trying to discredit the product in some way.
It used to drive me kind of crazy when Skyship would come here and basically repeat the same message over and over again-'read your owner's manual, use only high quality motor oil...' You know the rest. If somebody does not believe in oil supplements why are they in the Oil Additives Section? A total waste of time trying to change people's minds.
And we have a problem here with a guy who keeps getting banned but will come back again and again with a new user name because he wants to attack some people here personally.
And of course we have the product promoters who I guess consider Kreen and MMO competitors that must be eliminated. I have a hard time understanding the product promoters. Why do they go out of their way to promote a product? Is it just friendship of the guy who sells the product, or do they really believe in the product, or do they receive something for their promotion? I don't know. But you will see these guys pop up in every post where Kreen or MMO are being discussed and they will do their best to try to discredit those products/and or the people who use those products. Same old song, lets play it again.
It used to drive me kind of crazy when Skyship would come here and basically repeat the same message over and over again-'read your owner's manual, use only high quality motor oil...' You know the rest. If somebody does not believe in oil supplements why are they in the Oil Additives Section? A total waste of time trying to change people's minds.
And we have a problem here with a guy who keeps getting banned but will come back again and again with a new user name because he wants to attack some people here personally.
And of course we have the product promoters who I guess consider Kreen and MMO competitors that must be eliminated. I have a hard time understanding the product promoters. Why do they go out of their way to promote a product? Is it just friendship of the guy who sells the product, or do they really believe in the product, or do they receive something for their promotion? I don't know. But you will see these guys pop up in every post where Kreen or MMO are being discussed and they will do their best to try to discredit those products/and or the people who use those products. Same old song, lets play it again.
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