I just hope you are right about Motorcraft flash point: 433*F Pour point: -41*F. I like those numbers.
Nextgen is the best conventional oil?
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Originally Posted By: TaterandNoodles
You are mixing up data that is reported in C and F.
I checked the Peak data in particular and it is reported in C. At 206F it would extremely close to a combustible liquid which begins at 200F (93C).
http://www.peaklubricants.com/msdslibrary.html
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Combustible Liquid—A combustible liquid is any liquid that does not meet the definition of any other classification specified in this manual and has a flash point above 60 degrees C (140 degrees F) and below 93 degrees C (200 degrees F). Any mixture having one or more components with a flash point of 93 degrees C (200 degrees F) or higher, that makes up at least 99 percent of the total volume of the mixture is not a combustible liquid
A combustible liquid is one having a flashpoint greater than 100F, while one having a flaspoint of less than 100F is classified as a flamable liquid.
Thus, gasoline is a flamable liquid.
Diesel fuel, Jet A and motor oil are all combustible liquids.
Anyway, it appears that the OP failed to consider that the data he presented was rendered on two different scales.
It happens.
Still, were his original numbers consistent, NexGen would be some awesome stuff.
Kudos to the OP for having made the effort to extract the information.
He will not again make the mistake of mixing Celsius with Farenheit.
You are mixing up data that is reported in C and F.
I checked the Peak data in particular and it is reported in C. At 206F it would extremely close to a combustible liquid which begins at 200F (93C).
http://www.peaklubricants.com/msdslibrary.html
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Combustible Liquid—A combustible liquid is any liquid that does not meet the definition of any other classification specified in this manual and has a flash point above 60 degrees C (140 degrees F) and below 93 degrees C (200 degrees F). Any mixture having one or more components with a flash point of 93 degrees C (200 degrees F) or higher, that makes up at least 99 percent of the total volume of the mixture is not a combustible liquid
A combustible liquid is one having a flashpoint greater than 100F, while one having a flaspoint of less than 100F is classified as a flamable liquid.
Thus, gasoline is a flamable liquid.
Diesel fuel, Jet A and motor oil are all combustible liquids.
Anyway, it appears that the OP failed to consider that the data he presented was rendered on two different scales.
It happens.
Still, were his original numbers consistent, NexGen would be some awesome stuff.
Kudos to the OP for having made the effort to extract the information.
He will not again make the mistake of mixing Celsius with Farenheit.
Originally Posted By: fdcg27
A combustible liquid is one having a flashpoint greater than 100F, while one having a flaspoint of less than 100F is classified as a flamable liquid.
Thus, gasoline is a flamable liquid.
What I quoted was directly from the regulations and is correct for combustible liquid.
If you like you can read it in CFR 49
173.120(a) FLAMMABLE LIQUID.
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(a) Flammable liquid. For the purpose of this subchapter, a flammable liquid (Class 3) means a liquid having a flash point of not more than 60 °C (140 °F), or any material in a liquid phase with a flash point at or above 37.8 °C (100 °F) that is intentionally heated and offered for transportation or transported at or above its flash point in a bulk packaging, with the following exceptions:
173.120(b) COMBUSTIBLE LIQUID
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(b) Combustible liquid. (1) For the purpose of this subchapter, a combustible liquid means any liquid that does not meet the definition of any other hazard class specified in this subchapter and has a flash point above 60 °C (140 °F) and below 93 °C (200 °F).
A combustible liquid is one having a flashpoint greater than 100F, while one having a flaspoint of less than 100F is classified as a flamable liquid.
Thus, gasoline is a flamable liquid.
What I quoted was directly from the regulations and is correct for combustible liquid.
If you like you can read it in CFR 49
173.120(a) FLAMMABLE LIQUID.
Quote:
(a) Flammable liquid. For the purpose of this subchapter, a flammable liquid (Class 3) means a liquid having a flash point of not more than 60 °C (140 °F), or any material in a liquid phase with a flash point at or above 37.8 °C (100 °F) that is intentionally heated and offered for transportation or transported at or above its flash point in a bulk packaging, with the following exceptions:
173.120(b) COMBUSTIBLE LIQUID
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(b) Combustible liquid. (1) For the purpose of this subchapter, a combustible liquid means any liquid that does not meet the definition of any other hazard class specified in this subchapter and has a flash point above 60 °C (140 °F) and below 93 °C (200 °F).
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Originally Posted By: Slick17601
I don't buy that pour point for a minute.
Why not?
I don't buy that pour point for a minute.
Why not?
PP are worthless - look at CCS and mrv.
so is it safe to say nextgen is the new champ and PYB been dethrone????
What?! NO!
PYB is on no throne on my book - maybe the toilet. Id take formula shell SM anyday.
PYB is on no throne on my book - maybe the toilet. Id take formula shell SM anyday.
Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
What?! NO!
PYB is on no throne on my book - maybe the toilet. Id take formula shell SM anyday.
Easy their Arco....It`l be alright. Take a deep breath now.
What?! NO!
PYB is on no throne on my book - maybe the toilet. Id take formula shell SM anyday.
Easy their Arco....It`l be alright. Take a deep breath now.
I'm on oxygen and Johnny Walker Red ... I'm feeling better by the minute. I suppose the lack of reasoning ability never fails to dazzel me
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Valvoline still lumps the NextGen under their "conventional" oil though
Guaranteeds to 125k if I recall?
BUT, think about it, if it's really "re-refined" used motor oil, some of that "used" oil could possibly have "synthetic" attributes to it, so it's definitely a "blend" then right?
BUT, think about it, if it's really "re-refined" used motor oil, some of that "used" oil could possibly have "synthetic" attributes to it, so it's definitely a "blend" then right?
But there is no way to know how much synthetic would be in there. I give Valvoline credit for not going that route in their marketing. After all, are there any rules for what percentage of the base stock has to be synthetic to qualify as a synthetic blend?
And also because half of the base stock has been used in engines before, could they call it "pre-sheared" or "shear-stabilized"?
And also because half of the base stock has been used in engines before, could they call it "pre-sheared" or "shear-stabilized"?
Originally Posted By: ahoier
Valvoline still lumps the NextGen under their "conventional" oil though
Guaranteeds to 125k if I recall?
BUT, think about it, if it's really "re-refined" used motor oil, some of that "used" oil could possibly have "synthetic" attributes to it, so it's definitely a "blend" then right?
Thats a darn good question.
And you would think that each batch would be slightly different then too.
Valvoline still lumps the NextGen under their "conventional" oil though
BUT, think about it, if it's really "re-refined" used motor oil, some of that "used" oil could possibly have "synthetic" attributes to it, so it's definitely a "blend" then right?
Thats a darn good question.
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Originally Posted By: ahoier
Valvoline still lumps the NextGen under their "conventional" oil though
There are two flavors of NextGen - one is conventional and the other (hi-mileage) is a blend.
Valvoline still lumps the NextGen under their "conventional" oil though
There are two flavors of NextGen - one is conventional and the other (hi-mileage) is a blend.
Alright. I went to the manufacturer's websites instead of Auto Zone. Pennzoil's website was under maintenance so their PDS was unavailable. I still think Nextgen is the best.
5w30 Conventional
Nextgen: Flash Point 220*C Pour Point -42*C
Mobil 5000: Flash Point 221*C Pour Point -36*C
Castrol: Flash Point 200*C Pour Point -39*C
5w30 Conventional
Nextgen: Flash Point 220*C Pour Point -42*C
Mobil 5000: Flash Point 221*C Pour Point -36*C
Castrol: Flash Point 200*C Pour Point -39*C
Originally Posted By: johnsmellsalot
Alright. I went to the manufacturer's websites instead of Auto Zone. Pennzoil's website was under maintenance so their PDS was unavailable. I still think Nextgen is the best.
5w30 Conventional
Nextgen: Flash Point 220*C Pour Point -42*C
Mobil 5000: Flash Point 221*C Pour Point -36*C
Castrol: Flash Point 200*C Pour Point -39*C
Pennzoils website for the PDS has been under maintenance for months. Good luck trying to get it. Your gonna have to call or email them.
Alright. I went to the manufacturer's websites instead of Auto Zone. Pennzoil's website was under maintenance so their PDS was unavailable. I still think Nextgen is the best.
5w30 Conventional
Nextgen: Flash Point 220*C Pour Point -42*C
Mobil 5000: Flash Point 221*C Pour Point -36*C
Castrol: Flash Point 200*C Pour Point -39*C
Pennzoils website for the PDS has been under maintenance for months. Good luck trying to get it. Your gonna have to call or email them.
Originally Posted By: johnsmellsalot
Alright. I went to the manufacturer's websites instead of Auto Zone. Pennzoil's website was under maintenance so their PDS was unavailable. I still think Nextgen is the best.
5w30 Conventional
Nextgen: Flash Point 220*C Pour Point -42*C
Mobil 5000: Flash Point 221*C Pour Point -36*C
Castrol: Flash Point 200*C Pour Point -39*C
Here's the Pennzoil PDS:
http://www.epc.shell.com/Docs/GPCDOC_X_cbe_24855_key_140003463601_201003012040.pdf
PYB 5w30 has a pour point of -39C, however it has a CCS viscosity of 5,800 cP at -30C whereas Nextgen has a CCS viscosity of 6,100 cP at -30C which means that PYB actually flows better at such low temps.
I hate to break it to you, but pour point is not a very useful spec, and I would certainly not use it to determine which oil is "best", whatever that means.
Alright. I went to the manufacturer's websites instead of Auto Zone. Pennzoil's website was under maintenance so their PDS was unavailable. I still think Nextgen is the best.
5w30 Conventional
Nextgen: Flash Point 220*C Pour Point -42*C
Mobil 5000: Flash Point 221*C Pour Point -36*C
Castrol: Flash Point 200*C Pour Point -39*C
Here's the Pennzoil PDS:
http://www.epc.shell.com/Docs/GPCDOC_X_cbe_24855_key_140003463601_201003012040.pdf
PYB 5w30 has a pour point of -39C, however it has a CCS viscosity of 5,800 cP at -30C whereas Nextgen has a CCS viscosity of 6,100 cP at -30C which means that PYB actually flows better at such low temps.
I hate to break it to you, but pour point is not a very useful spec, and I would certainly not use it to determine which oil is "best", whatever that means.
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
I hate to break it to you, but pour point is not a very useful spec, and I would certainly not use it to determine which oil is "best", whatever that means.
+1 It seems unlikely that pour point would be a defining criteria for "best" oil, or even great oil, adequate oil perhaps.
I hate to break it to you, but pour point is not a very useful spec, and I would certainly not use it to determine which oil is "best", whatever that means.
+1 It seems unlikely that pour point would be a defining criteria for "best" oil, or even great oil, adequate oil perhaps.
I disagree with that. Working at AAP, Ive sold maybe a handful of quarts. People don't want used oil in their engines, especially when it's more money than conventional. And double-refined just means its cleaned of impurities and loaded up with more anti-wear additives. But what about the actual condition of the oil molecules after being subjected to extreme heat and shearing. It just doesnt seem like its going to catch on anytime soon. The concept is neat I guess, but the principle/marketing aspect just seem to clash. The jug is a cool color though lol
Originally Posted By: TaterandNoodles
Originally Posted By: fdcg27
A combustible liquid is one having a flashpoint greater than 100F, while one having a flaspoint of less than 100F is classified as a flamable liquid.
Thus, gasoline is a flamable liquid.
What I quoted was directly from the regulations and is correct for combustible liquid.
If you like you can read it in CFR 49
173.120(a) FLAMMABLE LIQUID.
Quote:
(a) Flammable liquid. For the purpose of this subchapter, a flammable liquid (Class 3) means a liquid having a flash point of not more than 60 °C (140 °F), or any material in a liquid phase with a flash point at or above 37.8 °C (100 °F) that is intentionally heated and offered for transportation or transported at or above its flash point in a bulk packaging, with the following exceptions:
173.120(b) COMBUSTIBLE LIQUID
Quote:
(b) Combustible liquid. (1) For the purpose of this subchapter, a combustible liquid means any liquid that does not meet the definition of any other hazard class specified in this subchapter and has a flash point above 60 °C (140 °F) and below 93 °C (200 °F).
The 100* flashpoint is the def of flammable used by OSHA, the 140* is the flam def used by the DOT and EPA.
Not that it really has anything to do with oil.
Originally Posted By: fdcg27
A combustible liquid is one having a flashpoint greater than 100F, while one having a flaspoint of less than 100F is classified as a flamable liquid.
Thus, gasoline is a flamable liquid.
What I quoted was directly from the regulations and is correct for combustible liquid.
If you like you can read it in CFR 49
173.120(a) FLAMMABLE LIQUID.
Quote:
(a) Flammable liquid. For the purpose of this subchapter, a flammable liquid (Class 3) means a liquid having a flash point of not more than 60 °C (140 °F), or any material in a liquid phase with a flash point at or above 37.8 °C (100 °F) that is intentionally heated and offered for transportation or transported at or above its flash point in a bulk packaging, with the following exceptions:
173.120(b) COMBUSTIBLE LIQUID
Quote:
(b) Combustible liquid. (1) For the purpose of this subchapter, a combustible liquid means any liquid that does not meet the definition of any other hazard class specified in this subchapter and has a flash point above 60 °C (140 °F) and below 93 °C (200 °F).
The 100* flashpoint is the def of flammable used by OSHA, the 140* is the flam def used by the DOT and EPA.
Not that it really has anything to do with oil.
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Originally Posted By: johnsmellsalot
. ... I still think Nextgen is the best.
How do you reconcile the poor NOACK and worse than average CCS? The "best" cant have a poor NOACK. It can't have a poor anything. That said if it ILSAC GF-5 and API STARBURST SN then its fully serviceable.
. ... I still think Nextgen is the best.
How do you reconcile the poor NOACK and worse than average CCS? The "best" cant have a poor NOACK. It can't have a poor anything. That said if it ILSAC GF-5 and API STARBURST SN then its fully serviceable.
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