New to me 2014 Tiguan R line; questions about lube, internals, etc

[MK5Rabbit]

It's probably the best bang for the buck you can buy now that WM stocks it for under $30 for 5 quarts. I run it in both of my vehicles, it's so good I even replaced my morning coffee with ESP and no regrets so far.

0w30 was easily available, but 5w30 wasn’t in stock and it wasn’t even in stock to ship it.

 

[edyvw]

Mobil 1 0w30 ESP is shear stable. It meets the same approval requirements as the 5W for stay-in-grade.

It’s a common Internet “rule” that less of a grade spread is always better but that’s actually not true. First off it wholly depends on the engine design as to whether mechanical shear of the VM is even an issue (and it rarely is), and the quality of the VII and base stock composition are critical factors. EM does not use inferior VII. There is no reason to avoid the Walmart product especially in light of being $10 less expensive.

All true, but ESP 0W30 and 5W30 share a lot of chemical components, so between the two, 5W30 will be more stable and have lower Noack.
On other hand, ESP 0W30 is still exceptional oil compared to many other 5W30 oils.

 

[MK5Rabbit]

I ended up doing 5w30 ESP, and of course I’m thinking about the next one. . Would VW 511 00 be over kill in this engine. I don’t care about the fuel economy or the extra cost of the oil, I just want good protection.

 

[MK5Rabbit]

…. And another thought. If 0w40 Castrol and 0w40 M1 are now SP, wouldn’t they be fine for a TSI since the calcium is so low like a Mid saps oil? Doesn’t it put VW 502 00 back into the conversation for a TSI motor if you want something more shear stable. Even Motul xcess gen2 5w40 would be fine.

 

[kschachn]

It’s fine.

 

[edyvw]

…. And another thought. If 0w40 Castrol and 0w40 M1 are now SP, wouldn’t they be fine for a TSI since the calcium is so low like a Mid saps oil? Doesn’t it put VW 502 00 back into the conversation for a TSI motor if you want something more shear stable. Even Motul xcess gen2 5w40 would be fine.

EA888 2.0T doesn’t have LSPI issues. There were occasional instances of failures that are reminiscent of LSPI, but it is questionable.
LSPI paranoia is caused primarily by Korean/Japanese/American builders. European engines are collateral damage in that paranoia.
Only VW engine that had LSPI issues was old 1.4 turbo/supercharger engine that never made its way to US.

 

[MK5Rabbit]

EA888 2.0T doesn’t have LSPI issues. There were occasional instances of failures that are reminiscent of LSPI, but it is questionable.
LSPI paranoia is caused primarily by Korean/Japanese/American builders. European engines are collateral damage in that paranoia.
Only VW engine that had LSPI issues was old 1.4 turbo/supercharger engine that never made its way to US.

In regard to carbon buildup, there really isn’t a difference between new SP vw 502 vs vw 504 oils either?

 

[edyvw]

In regard to carbon buildup, there really isn’t a difference between new SP vw 502 vs vw 504 oils either?

Old lubrizol study showed VW502.00 leaving 167% more deposits than VW504.00. So, there is that.

 

[MK5Rabbit]

Old lubrizol study showed VW502.00 leaving 167% more deposits than VW504.00. So, there is that.

I appreciate your patience while taking my questions. What is the difference in formulation between a sp vw 502 and a vw 504 in regard to saps content? Is it a single ingredient that is higher in one oil over the other?

Edit, I read an article about saps and that the difference is a lower amount of Phosphorous and Sulphur.

 

[Nathan]

I love how you ask for the difference and then just say, "NO!"

Here's another resource that took me 2 minutes to find that completely redeems the "ignorant AI" search result:
https://www.oilspecifications.org/articles/vw_motor_oil_specifications_explained.php

What AI got right:
- Oil grade difference (504.00 is 5w30 only)
- Base stock difference (longer intervals, less thickening, better fuel economy)
- Additive difference (less wear, cleaner, longer OCI)
- Lower SAPS (emissions compliance)

That's pretty much all you need to know.

It's better for newer cars.

 

[kschachn]

What AI got right:
- Oil grade difference (504.00 is 5w30 only)
- Base stock difference (longer intervals, less thickening, better fuel economy)
- Additive difference (less wear, cleaner, longer OCI)
- Lower SAPS (emissions compliance)

That's pretty much all you need to know.

It's better for newer cars.

Even that’s not correct, VW 504 00 approval also allows a 0w30 grade. The 502 00 isn't right either, that allows 0W-30, 0W-40, 5w30, 5W-40, 10w30 and 10W-40.

Wear limits are also identical between 502 00 and 504 00 and the viscosity increase limits are the same. I think the AI is still a mess.

 

[MK5Rabbit]

I love how you ask for the difference and then just say, "NO!"

Here's another resource that took me 2 minutes to find that completely redeems the "ignorant AI" search result:
https://www.oilspecifications.org/articles/vw_motor_oil_specifications_explained.php

What AI got right:
- Oil grade difference (504.00 is 5w30 only)
- Base stock difference (longer intervals, less thickening, better fuel economy)
- Additive difference (less wear, cleaner, longer OCI)
- Lower SAPS (emissions compliance)

That's pretty much all you need to know.

It's better for newer cars.

I’m sorry, but still some issues here. Thanks though.

 

[edyvw]

I love how you ask for the difference and then just say, "NO!"

Here's another resource that took me 2 minutes to find that completely redeems the "ignorant AI" search result:
https://www.oilspecifications.org/articles/vw_motor_oil_specifications_explained.php

What AI got right:
- Oil grade difference (504.00 is 5w30 only)
- Base stock difference (longer intervals, less thickening, better fuel economy)
- Additive difference (less wear, cleaner, longer OCI)
- Lower SAPS (emissions compliance)

That's pretty much all you need to know.

It's better for newer cars.

1. VW 504.00 is XW30, 5W30 or 0W30.
2. VW 504.00 does not come in XW40 flavor. Hence, overall on average will have better fuel economy. VW 502.00 comes also in XW30 flavor. Minimum HTHS will be the same. No fuel consumption benefits between two oils of same grade.
3. Additive difference is the key when it comes to the intended purpose. That is under emission part. VW 504.00 has to have less byproduct or sulfated ash. Wear? Hmmm, we have studies done by Mercedes that prove that high SAPS oils (VW502.00 category, or ACEA A3) have less wear bcs. they do have richer additive package.
4. VW502.00 is constantly updated. It is NOT an old specification as responded by AI or your supplemental brain. Approvals, unless completely abandoned (like VW503.01), are constantly updated. Last time VW502.00 was updated was 2022.

That's pretty much all you need to know.

Again, do yourself a favor and read; don't ask a machine questions. You have enough material here in the European section to find out everything. If you are lazy to read, don't pretend you are doing any favors to others because you are misleading them.

 

[kschachn]

Old lubrizol study showed VW502.00 leaving 167% more deposits than VW504.00. So, there is that.

But not carbon, right? Metallic ash.

 

[edyvw]

But not carbon, right? Metallic ash.

The study was carbon on intake valves.
I bet you it is here somewhere in the forum.

 

[kschachn]

The study was carbon on intake valves.
I bet you it is here somewhere in the forum.

I’ll look. I’m unsure how that would work, all oil is full of carbon atoms.

 

[MK5Rabbit]

I ran 2 OCI of M1 ESP 5w30. Currently on Motul X Clean + 5w30. Arizona summer is around the corner and I will be going Motul vw 511 00 just for peace of mind. It will help with my chain anxiety.

 

[MK5Rabbit]

I would go Mobil1 ESP 5W30 as it is more shear stable.
$37 with filter in local Auto Zone or AAP.

Would this still be the case? I have been seeing a different opinion here about how now the 0w30 is superior to the 5w30 variant. Was there a formulation change to the 0w30? Would I be better served to switch to the 0w30. A reminder that I live in Tucson. My commute is 15 mins each way and is 90% freeway at 65 mph.

 

[edyvw]

Would this still be the case? I have been seeing a different opinion here about how now the 0w30 is superior to the 5w30 variant. Was there a formulation change to the 0w30? Would I be better served to switch to the 0w30. A reminder that I live in Tucson. My commute is 15 mins each way and is 90% freeway at 65 mph.

5W30 had formulation change. 0W30 stayed the same.
I would gl 0W30, bcs. esters, more ZDDP.