So what’s he verdict? Is your favourite oil supplier offering their blend at less money than 100% synthetic?
New PYB?
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I found this my local Walmart yesterday. It doesn’t say synthetic blend, but has the SP rating. Perhaps it’s old stock. Enjoy.
The marketing departments are not in sync with the engineering departments. Here is some Supertech marked as conventional but meeting SP and and ILSAC GF-6A specs.
Pennzoil still insists on hinting they have a conventional oil, but when you hit “ learn more” they show a bottle that says “ synthetic blend”.
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None of the 3 shown above carry the D1/G3 license.
So if you don;t need full synthetic, all-3 are adequate options.
So if you don;t need full synthetic, all-3 are adequate options.
There are no regulations on how much synthetic oil constitutes a synthetic blend unless perhaps one can decipher a product sheet correctly. Pennzoil ads referring to a “traditional base oil” are probably closer to the truth than being a “ synthetic blend with a significant amount of synthetic base oil.
The sp, is that what everyone refers to as the old "PYB"?
I think that’s a close to PYB you can get. It’s probably a semi-synthetic now but it’s still in the good old Pennzoil Yellow Bottle ( hence PYB).
The local Canadian Tire had these two bottles. The 5w30 was a SP semi-synthetic.The 10w30 did not say semi-synthetic but was still rated as SP.
Interesting, Semi-relevant announcement I heard today.
Shell has a deal / joint venture with BlueTide environmental for Group 2+ re-refined base oils. And Re-refined base products are going to be part of shell’s portfolio going forward.
Might apply to Pennzoil syn blends. Might be relegated strictly to hydraulics and industrials. Not sure. But… they’re really focusing on it.
Also strictly a rumor, BP/Castrol has been sniffing around or possibly has a deal with a major re-refiner. For primarily PCEO products.
Take it for what it’s worth. Both Shell and BP were major speakers today at the conference I was at. Same with Valvoline (Motiva side) - They admitted how they screwed up on the Valvoline nexgen marketing.
Shell has a deal / joint venture with BlueTide environmental for Group 2+ re-refined base oils. And Re-refined base products are going to be part of shell’s portfolio going forward.
Might apply to Pennzoil syn blends. Might be relegated strictly to hydraulics and industrials. Not sure. But… they’re really focusing on it.
Also strictly a rumor, BP/Castrol has been sniffing around or possibly has a deal with a major re-refiner. For primarily PCEO products.
Take it for what it’s worth. Both Shell and BP were major speakers today at the conference I was at. Same with Valvoline (Motiva side) - They admitted how they screwed up on the Valvoline nexgen marketing.
It’s already here. You just don’t know about it.
A very large portion of syn blends on the market are at least partially re-refined. Just not marketed that way. It’s just interesting that Shell announced a JV. And Castrol has interest.
That means it’s the way the market is going to go when the major players are interested in re-refined or renewable (Chevron) base stocks.
It’s cheaper base stocks than conventional Group 2s. For the same if not better performance. You can use less VII and cold flow improvers. You can also use less group III’s to meet the cold crank. Etc. Which makes the end product cheaper.
Re-refined follows the Natgas market. Which is extremely low right now. Where as conventional base stocks are ticking up, with Motiva announcing a price increase. I’m generally expecting a small bump here in a week or two of 20-40cpg.
In the furtherance of environmental protection and conservation, some municipalities have required re-refined lubes for their fleets for many years. NYC made the switch some time ago. It's possible New York has lifted or modified the requirement, but it sure seemed as if it was going to be a trend.