Originally Posted By: Motorking
The PEAK "Universal" coolant sold everywhere is a 22 yr old product. Ask them......
You brought it up, made the claim, now prove it. And fyi, Peak makes more than one universal type AF product. There is Peak Long Life which like Prestone uses 2eha a primary inhibitor. Then there is Peak Global Lifetime which unlike Prestone is a non 2eha Long Life OAT. So they give the buyer a choice. And if one of them is as you say, what's your point? You know their chemistry hasn't changed in that time? Or it's not effective?
So which product do you claim is 22 years old or are you saying both or perhaps all the AF products Peak makes are that old? Oh, you must be talking about the Peak Original Green they make, that could be 22 years old. Yeah, that's the ticket. And never claimed Peak had a OEM presence as I couldn't care less about that. The bluster about an OEM presence doesn't apply to the topic'd Prestone either, so it's irrelevant.
Originally Posted By: Motorking
There is not such thing as a 2EHA based product. That is a total and complete mis statement. Ethel Hexanate is an additive used in tiny trace amounts and is used by more AF companies than Prestone.
Parse it however you choose as you couldn't or wouldn't answer the posts, but at least Prestone was able to. Tiny trace amounts. If there's nothing wrong with it why only tiny trace amounts? And sure other companies use it, its a main inhibitor most universal OAT dexclones like Prestone and also in Dexcool. I suggest you read the independent SAE paper linked above, if you want to know about 2eha and it's affects on gaskets. It wasn't written by Peak or any other AF manufacturer. And again, no Asian oem AF have any 2eha as an inhibitor in their chemistries. Even in tiny trace amounts.
Originally Posted By: Motorking
It is not harmful to anything in a properly serviced and functioning cooling system. If it was, there wouldnt be any OE's allowing its use in factory fill.
So you're saying because it's used in GM 2eha Dex based systems for example, it acceptable for all systems no matter the manufacturer. You're entitled to your opinion, but I'll have to disagree. As does the linked article explaining why.
http://www.motor.com/article.asp?article_ID=1655 Ford is also moving to a 2eha Dex formula, but as the article says they aren't back specing it for older 4.6L and 5.4L engines. Still G-05 for a reason. Chrysler, while moving to OAT has also taken a pass on any 2eha in it's new oem AF.
You also said referring to another AF,
Originally Posted By: Motorking
Saw another that said "red coolant for all japanese cars using red POAT coolant". Except the biggest user of red POAT has transitioned to a red OAT now and it is backwards compatible.
Could you be more specific about which "biggest user" you are referring to. I'd be interested to know which Asian manufacturer has transitioned to red OAT as claim. Again afaik, Toyota was the only one using a red PHOAT, and it moved to pink SLL but still a PHOAT.
Lastly whatever your title, when you attempt to belittle a competitor, you should expect to be called on it. If as you say, you have no desire to talk about competitors, then don't.