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What exactly makes an oil strong enough to go a year? Is it a higher tbn?
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Originally Posted By: 2015_PSD
Amsoil SSO is $33.55 per gallon at PM pricing versus $31.96 per gallon for M1 AP (@39.95 for a 5QT jug of AP) for a $1.59 difference. When AP was $49.95 it cost more than Amsoil at $39.96 per gallon. SSO is also guaranteed for 1 year or 25K, so "overpriced" is debatable.
But you do pay a $20/year subscription to get that price at Amsoil, correct?
Amsoil SSO is $33.55 per gallon at PM pricing versus $31.96 per gallon for M1 AP (@39.95 for a 5QT jug of AP) for a $1.59 difference. When AP was $49.95 it cost more than Amsoil at $39.96 per gallon. SSO is also guaranteed for 1 year or 25K, so "overpriced" is debatable.
But you do pay a $20/year subscription to get that price at Amsoil, correct?
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Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
What exactly makes an oil strong enough to go a year? Is it a higher tbn?
Yes; typically. Higher TBN gives the oil more additives to neutralize the acid which builds up over time. However, there are many factors which must be considered which is why one should not buy an extended drain oil and simply go to a 20K or 25K OCI without testing.
What exactly makes an oil strong enough to go a year? Is it a higher tbn?
Yes; typically. Higher TBN gives the oil more additives to neutralize the acid which builds up over time. However, there are many factors which must be considered which is why one should not buy an extended drain oil and simply go to a 20K or 25K OCI without testing.
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I’d like to know how many EP buyers do 15K OCI’s … bet a very high percentage don’t and this never comes up …
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Originally Posted By: kschachn
Originally Posted By: 2015_PSD
Amsoil SSO is $33.55 per gallon at PM pricing versus $31.96 per gallon for M1 AP (@39.95 for a 5QT jug of AP) for a $1.59 difference. When AP was $49.95 it cost more than Amsoil at $39.96 per gallon. SSO is also guaranteed for 1 year or 25K, so "overpriced" is debatable.
But you do pay a $20/year subscription to get that price at Amsoil, correct?
I paid $20 for 18 months worth and "cleared" it on the first UOA kit that I bought--$19.99 for Polaris versus $39.99 for Blackstone.
Originally Posted By: 2015_PSD
Amsoil SSO is $33.55 per gallon at PM pricing versus $31.96 per gallon for M1 AP (@39.95 for a 5QT jug of AP) for a $1.59 difference. When AP was $49.95 it cost more than Amsoil at $39.96 per gallon. SSO is also guaranteed for 1 year or 25K, so "overpriced" is debatable.
But you do pay a $20/year subscription to get that price at Amsoil, correct?
I paid $20 for 18 months worth and "cleared" it on the first UOA kit that I bought--$19.99 for Polaris versus $39.99 for Blackstone.
Originally Posted By: 2015_PSD
I paid $20 for 18 months worth and "cleared" it on the first UOA kit that I bought--$19.99 for Polaris versus $39.99 for Blackstone.
Well OK then you are paying the $20 on top of the price for the oil. If you're also buying UOA kits then that just adds to the cost even more. Isn't the idea of the guaranteed performance of either the Amsoil or the Mobil product that you follow what they claim and the guarantee is your backup?
FWIW I do use Mobil 1 EP in my Accord, my daughter drives that car far away at graduate school and it can easily accumulate 1 year of operation before I see it again. The reason I use the oil is so that I don't have to test it, or have her get an oil change at some random place.
I paid $20 for 18 months worth and "cleared" it on the first UOA kit that I bought--$19.99 for Polaris versus $39.99 for Blackstone.
Well OK then you are paying the $20 on top of the price for the oil. If you're also buying UOA kits then that just adds to the cost even more. Isn't the idea of the guaranteed performance of either the Amsoil or the Mobil product that you follow what they claim and the guarantee is your backup?
FWIW I do use Mobil 1 EP in my Accord, my daughter drives that car far away at graduate school and it can easily accumulate 1 year of operation before I see it again. The reason I use the oil is so that I don't have to test it, or have her get an oil change at some random place.
First off, I might be wrong! VOA's done so far would indicate that AP is running the extended drains without cranking up the add packs, at least with what shows up. I'm not sure anyone really knows all that goes into creating intake valve deposits in DI engines, but they are an issue. One suspect is high saps. AP is does not appear to be a high saps oil. Both EP and AP would appear to have LSPI friendly amounts of calcium and a lack of sodium, hence a Dexos Gen 2 rating.
Additionally there are other differences between AP and EP. For my application in an ecoboost motor 5w30 EP has a Visco of 10.6 and a pour point of -40. AP is 11.7 (fights against fuel dilution) with a -45 pour point. They are not the same oil. The AP propaganda video does show three DI turbo engines after running 120,000 miles.
Its worth something in my book for $20 a year.
Additionally there are other differences between AP and EP. For my application in an ecoboost motor 5w30 EP has a Visco of 10.6 and a pour point of -40. AP is 11.7 (fights against fuel dilution) with a -45 pour point. They are not the same oil. The AP propaganda video does show three DI turbo engines after running 120,000 miles.
Its worth something in my book for $20 a year.
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IIRC … you are a big UOA fan … but a huge VOA fan !
I don’t know why charts like this exist when a VOA is such a perfect road map:
I don’t know why charts like this exist when a VOA is such a perfect road map:
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Originally Posted By: kschachn
Originally Posted By: 2015_PSD
I paid $20 for 18 months worth and "cleared" it on the first UOA kit that I bought--$19.99 for Polaris versus $39.99 for Blackstone.
Well OK then you are paying the $20 on top of the price for the oil. If you're also buying UOA kits then that just adds to the cost even more. Isn't the idea of the guaranteed performance of either the Amsoil or the Mobil product that you follow what they claim and the guarantee is your backup?
Ummm...no. I was going to buy the UOA kits anyway, so in my case, you cannot add $20 on top of the oil since the UOA kit was $20 less than Blackstone (who I used to use) and I bought more than one thereby saving $20 each time. Yes, I agree that "the guaranteed performance of either the Amsoil or the Mobil product that you follow what they claim and the guarantee is your backup" SHOULD be true, but I would not recommend that anyone go from a 5K or 10K OCI to a 20K or 25K OCI without at least one UOA at 17K or 18K, but that is just me. As an aside, the UOA kits were for my PSD and not any gasoline vehicle I own.
Originally Posted By: 2015_PSD
I paid $20 for 18 months worth and "cleared" it on the first UOA kit that I bought--$19.99 for Polaris versus $39.99 for Blackstone.
Well OK then you are paying the $20 on top of the price for the oil. If you're also buying UOA kits then that just adds to the cost even more. Isn't the idea of the guaranteed performance of either the Amsoil or the Mobil product that you follow what they claim and the guarantee is your backup?
Ummm...no. I was going to buy the UOA kits anyway, so in my case, you cannot add $20 on top of the oil since the UOA kit was $20 less than Blackstone (who I used to use) and I bought more than one thereby saving $20 each time. Yes, I agree that "the guaranteed performance of either the Amsoil or the Mobil product that you follow what they claim and the guarantee is your backup" SHOULD be true, but I would not recommend that anyone go from a 5K or 10K OCI to a 20K or 25K OCI without at least one UOA at 17K or 18K, but that is just me. As an aside, the UOA kits were for my PSD and not any gasoline vehicle I own.
4wd, can you expound that chart? interesting!
One other aspect I find interesting about Mobil 1 AP in the 0W-20 grade is it has a very high flash point - 242 degrees C, which is 467.6 F. I'm not aware of another oil in 0W-20 grade that has a flash point as high. What does this suggest about its base oil content?
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Originally Posted By: spj
4wd, can you expound that chart? interesting!
It's one of Mobil's blending charts to show how their bases can be used to achieve specific grades. It isn't an insight into any particular oil formulation, simply a guide for people who might be purchasing these base oils from XOM.
4wd, can you expound that chart? interesting!
It's one of Mobil's blending charts to show how their bases can be used to achieve specific grades. It isn't an insight into any particular oil formulation, simply a guide for people who might be purchasing these base oils from XOM.
Originally Posted By: 4WD
I’d like to know how many EP buyers do 15K OCI’s … bet a very high percentage don’t and this never comes up …
A friend does 15-17K in his last three vans. Ford and Chryslers with no problems up to 200K. Generally that's when he trades.
I’d like to know how many EP buyers do 15K OCI’s … bet a very high percentage don’t and this never comes up …
A friend does 15-17K in his last three vans. Ford and Chryslers with no problems up to 200K. Generally that's when he trades.
tig makes a good point.
You could just take the mileage claims XOM makes for M1 as literal truth and not worry about all these pesky oil analysis results.
tig does 10K drains on AFE without issue and 20K drains on AP might well yield the same outcome.
Until someone does this for 100K or so, we won't really know.
You could just take the mileage claims XOM makes for M1 as literal truth and not worry about all these pesky oil analysis results.
tig does 10K drains on AFE without issue and 20K drains on AP might well yield the same outcome.
Until someone does this for 100K or so, we won't really know.
Originally Posted By: 4WD
I’d like to know how many EP buyers do 15K OCI’s … bet a very high percentage don’t and this never comes up …
When I was driving 30k mi a year I ran EP 5w-30 the full 15k in a 97 ford escort. No UOA though. Car was still running great when I sold it
I’d like to know how many EP buyers do 15K OCI’s … bet a very high percentage don’t and this never comes up …
When I was driving 30k mi a year I ran EP 5w-30 the full 15k in a 97 ford escort. No UOA though. Car was still running great when I sold it
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Not sure where the Greek came from ~ but I did not swear.
My point is not what the oil can do ~ (seriously doubt the majority does 15k). My point is that when it’s good enough to do 15k … that does not mean folks elect to do so. We see folks dumping EP or Edge based on OLM and they still go back to it. At a lower price I might elect to run one or the other longer … but still my comfort zone and my $20k to $60k vehicles …
I don’t mess with UOA’s … that money buys more oil that I don’t push to the bitter end …
My point is not what the oil can do ~ (seriously doubt the majority does 15k). My point is that when it’s good enough to do 15k … that does not mean folks elect to do so. We see folks dumping EP or Edge based on OLM and they still go back to it. At a lower price I might elect to run one or the other longer … but still my comfort zone and my $20k to $60k vehicles …
I don’t mess with UOA’s … that money buys more oil that I don’t push to the bitter end …
Originally Posted By: btanchors
One other aspect I find interesting about Mobil 1 AP in the 0W-20 grade is it has a very high flash point - 242 degrees C, which is 467.6 F. I'm not aware of another oil in 0W-20 grade that has a flash point as high. What does this suggest about its base oil content?
It means that if your oil is ever in danger of bursting into flames because it's so hot, you're set
One other aspect I find interesting about Mobil 1 AP in the 0W-20 grade is it has a very high flash point - 242 degrees C, which is 467.6 F. I'm not aware of another oil in 0W-20 grade that has a flash point as high. What does this suggest about its base oil content?
It means that if your oil is ever in danger of bursting into flames because it's so hot, you're set
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