Well he is seeing Mosins for 250, I saw an add for excellent condition M24/47 rifles for 299.
The M48 and K98 rifles are way up. That is for sure.
The M48 and K98 rifles are way up. That is for sure.
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Not compared to my Steyr M95.
Originally Posted By: dwcopple
Originally Posted By: Robenstein
Yugo m24/47
ammo costs 5x as much for those though. Mauser ammo is EXPENSIVE!
Originally Posted By: dwcopple
Originally Posted By: Robenstein
Yugo m24/47
ammo costs 5x as much for those though. Mauser ammo is EXPENSIVE!
I have 2 one has matching numbers, appears to have never been issued.
Went to a new-to-me shop yesterday, as a friend said they had SKS's in stock. They did several Chinese Type 56's, but, wow, talk about filthy. Cleaning 'em wouldn't be bad, but all need to have the stocks sanded down and refinished. I guess that wouldn't be bad, since there's no 7.62x39 to be had, I could take all the time I wanted to and refinish the stock. But at $240 I wonder if I'd be better off buying something "better". I'd be interested in an SKS mostly because it's on DiFi's ban list, and it shoots cheap ammo. If you can find any ammo, that is.
They had a rack of $99 91/30's but of course it was empty. They were busy otherwise I would have asked if they knew when they'd have more. I'll have to stop back there.
They had a rack of $99 91/30's but of course it was empty. They were busy otherwise I would have asked if they knew when they'd have more. I'll have to stop back there.
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Classic firearms was selling them by the crate last week $2400 plus freight. They are sold out now. I don't know what freight cost, if it was $200 that would make each rifle $130. If that is the current going rate it will be hard to fine any for under $150, and these were without the sling, cleaning kit or ammo pouch. I think it said future orders may not have bayonets.
Question: I bought some of the spam can ammo, the sort that should have come with the can opener (you only get that if you buy the wooden box with two cans in it). At the store today, they still didn't have any 91/30's but they had some supposedly newer ammo, in 780rnd soldered cans, with the pull tabs. Any difference? I don't see a real need to stock up on ammunition--OTOH it's not apt to get cheaper. AFAIK I can't reload centerfire rifle cheaper than the 22c/rnd that this stuff costs.
Originally Posted By: supton
Question: I bought some of the spam can ammo, the sort that should have come with the can opener (you only get that if you buy the wooden box with two cans in it). At the store today, they still didn't have any 91/30's but they had some supposedly newer ammo, in 780rnd soldered cans, with the pull tabs. Any difference? I don't see a real need to stock up on ammunition--OTOH it's not apt to get cheaper. AFAIK I can't reload centerfire rifle cheaper than the 22c/rnd that this stuff costs.
The Czech ammo from 60's to late 80's came in tins like you describe but they were typically in 800 round tins. They will have 'bxn' on them somewhere. I think they also came in 780 round tins but I don;t know what years.
I really like the Czech light ball ammo. It shoots better groups than most of the other surplus I've tried in 7.62x54r.
If it's the Czech ammo, it's well worth the $0.22/round! Send me a PM on who has this ammo in stock, please!
Question: I bought some of the spam can ammo, the sort that should have come with the can opener (you only get that if you buy the wooden box with two cans in it). At the store today, they still didn't have any 91/30's but they had some supposedly newer ammo, in 780rnd soldered cans, with the pull tabs. Any difference? I don't see a real need to stock up on ammunition--OTOH it's not apt to get cheaper. AFAIK I can't reload centerfire rifle cheaper than the 22c/rnd that this stuff costs.
The Czech ammo from 60's to late 80's came in tins like you describe but they were typically in 800 round tins. They will have 'bxn' on them somewhere. I think they also came in 780 round tins but I don;t know what years.
I really like the Czech light ball ammo. It shoots better groups than most of the other surplus I've tried in 7.62x54r.
If it's the Czech ammo, it's well worth the $0.22/round! Send me a PM on who has this ammo in stock, please!
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It's 780 round cans. I did some looking after work, some people like the Czech, some don't, depends upon if it sticks in the chambers or not. No way to tell w/o buying.
Shooter's Outputs -- but it's in Hooksett NH, sorry. They had Russian stuff for about the same cost per round.
Shooter's Outputs -- but it's in Hooksett NH, sorry. They had Russian stuff for about the same cost per round.
Thanks!
If it's the late 80's ammo it will have copper washed cases that do not stick. The older 60's stuff had greenish lacquer coating that does sometimes stick if your chamber isn't perfectly clean.
Great ammo. Much better than the Russian ammo in my experience. 'bxn' is the military code for Sellier $ Bellot, by the way.
If it's the late 80's ammo it will have copper washed cases that do not stick. The older 60's stuff had greenish lacquer coating that does sometimes stick if your chamber isn't perfectly clean.
Great ammo. Much better than the Russian ammo in my experience. 'bxn' is the military code for Sellier $ Bellot, by the way.
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Just remember most of the surplus czech,russian, bulgarian ammo is probably corrosive. Clean well after shooting, at the minimum put some windex, (ammonia) then oil down the barrel.
Yes, you are correct - all of the military surplus in this caliber uses primers containing potassium chlorate as the oxidizer. When it burns, it leaves potassium chloride salts in the bore. The salts attract water which speeds up the corrosion process.
It's not ammonia that you need, though, it's water. Just like sodium chloride (table salt), potassium chloride is soluble in water. Dissolve and flush and/or wipe away.
The only benefit you get from ammonia is that it can help to dissolve copper fouling in the bore. Unfortunately, I'm not sure Windex has enough ammonia in it to effectively remove the copper fouling. Windex is mostly water, though, which will work just like plain old water for dissolving the salts.
I'd leave the Windex for your window glass and use a proper bore solvent to clean the bore and wipe out the salts at the same time.
It's not ammonia that you need, though, it's water. Just like sodium chloride (table salt), potassium chloride is soluble in water. Dissolve and flush and/or wipe away.
The only benefit you get from ammonia is that it can help to dissolve copper fouling in the bore. Unfortunately, I'm not sure Windex has enough ammonia in it to effectively remove the copper fouling. Windex is mostly water, though, which will work just like plain old water for dissolving the salts.
I'd leave the Windex for your window glass and use a proper bore solvent to clean the bore and wipe out the salts at the same time.
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I have always used good old hot soapy water for my corrosive ammo at the end of my cleaning followed by a few dry patches and an one oiled with Ballistol. Not one rusty bore yet.
Gave in and bought a case of the Czech ammo. Green lacquer case, 1963 vintage. I'd buy more, but I'm lacking the rifle. I don't mind stockpiling (a bit) but I have to be somewhat realistic. Although, since they are canned, they should last forever (and a day).
I saw a few M44's, $169, but Chinese. Bad condition stocks. Seemed pricey for condition: from what I've read, Russian M44's saw little use, and are in generally good shape, while Chinese... isn't. From what I've read, the M44's don't really recoil worse than the 91/30; shorter barrel, so they tend to flip up a bit, perhaps, and certainly much much louder. If I got one I suspect I'd pay whatever for some brass cases and make some handloads at significantly lower power. That or look into pulling bullets from milsurp ammo and taking out 10% or whatever. The M44 did seem like a good size, perfect for a trunk gun--but I already know that I don't mind the recoil on the 91/30--aww, the heck with it, I'll get one of each.
Still no 91/30's. Bummer. I might have to just be willing to pay whatever when I see one.
I saw a few M44's, $169, but Chinese. Bad condition stocks. Seemed pricey for condition: from what I've read, Russian M44's saw little use, and are in generally good shape, while Chinese... isn't. From what I've read, the M44's don't really recoil worse than the 91/30; shorter barrel, so they tend to flip up a bit, perhaps, and certainly much much louder. If I got one I suspect I'd pay whatever for some brass cases and make some handloads at significantly lower power. That or look into pulling bullets from milsurp ammo and taking out 10% or whatever. The M44 did seem like a good size, perfect for a trunk gun--but I already know that I don't mind the recoil on the 91/30--aww, the heck with it, I'll get one of each.
Still no 91/30's. Bummer. I might have to just be willing to pay whatever when I see one.
Originally Posted By: Robenstein
I have always used good old hot soapy water for my corrosive ammo at the end of my cleaning followed by a few dry patches and an one oiled with Ballistol. Not one rusty bore yet.
How do you do that? Just pull the bolt, and pour in? I guess hot water won't hurt wood, but I'm wondering if strip it down so as to properly dry off afterwards. Or do you just oil the heck out of it?
I have always used good old hot soapy water for my corrosive ammo at the end of my cleaning followed by a few dry patches and an one oiled with Ballistol. Not one rusty bore yet.
How do you do that? Just pull the bolt, and pour in? I guess hot water won't hurt wood, but I'm wondering if strip it down so as to properly dry off afterwards. Or do you just oil the heck out of it?
Originally Posted By: supton
Originally Posted By: Robenstein
I have always used good old hot soapy water for my corrosive ammo at the end of my cleaning followed by a few dry patches and an one oiled with Ballistol. Not one rusty bore yet.
How do you do that? Just pull the bolt, and pour in? I guess hot water won't hurt wood, but I'm wondering if strip it down so as to properly dry off afterwards. Or do you just oil the heck out of it?
I pull the bolt, stick a modified funnel in the chamber and pour it down the bore to flush it out. You can also just soak your patches in the hot water with dish detergent and run em through. I also wipe the bolt down with a paper towel soaked with the solution. Trick is to dry and oil it well when done.
Originally Posted By: Robenstein
I have always used good old hot soapy water for my corrosive ammo at the end of my cleaning followed by a few dry patches and an one oiled with Ballistol. Not one rusty bore yet.
How do you do that? Just pull the bolt, and pour in? I guess hot water won't hurt wood, but I'm wondering if strip it down so as to properly dry off afterwards. Or do you just oil the heck out of it?
I pull the bolt, stick a modified funnel in the chamber and pour it down the bore to flush it out. You can also just soak your patches in the hot water with dish detergent and run em through. I also wipe the bolt down with a paper towel soaked with the solution. Trick is to dry and oil it well when done.
I like windex for the bottle, You can accurately spray down inot the chamber and locking recesses. My surplus ammo clean up routine it to, with a hot barrel, still at the range, pull the bolt out and have a friend hold the rifle pointed straight down. Then spray windex till it stops boiling off and rinses out the whole barrel, then a patch or two, then a good amount of WD40 to rinse the windex out and a couple more patches. Make sure the locking recesses are dried and oiled. and the muzzle end of the barrel is wiped down with windex followed by wd40. I clean with #9 and gun oil when I get home. This makes the cleaning at home a lot faster/easier.
You can do the same with black powder and a piece of clear hose over the nipple.
You can do the same with black powder and a piece of clear hose over the nipple.
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For sale ad in mail today, from the local cabelas Mosin-Nagant $119.00
Century Arms SKS $299.
7.62x39 available at about twice the price as what they usually sell it.
No 223, 9mm, .22, generally not much pistol ammunition available.
Century Arms SKS $299.
7.62x39 available at about twice the price as what they usually sell it.
No 223, 9mm, .22, generally not much pistol ammunition available.
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