Mini-van recommendations

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Well, We've just found out that we're having our 3rd child in December. Looks like it's time to get a mini-van (how uncool is that!
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), so we're looking for recommendations. Of course, the Toyota and Honda seem to be highly rated. The Kia & Hyundai also get high marks. How about the domestics? My primary reason for getting the mini-van is access to the 3rd seat. I'm looking for space, safety, reliability, & fuel mileage. Any suggestions are appreciated.
 
I respect people who drive minivans. Tells me that they're confident and smart people. What I do hate is the people in your situation, who get SUVs instead when they really cant justify it except for their own insecurities. They don't need 4wd, offroad tires and 250hp to bring the kids to school and get groceries.

Sorry for my little rant, just that almost every family around here with 2 kids or more has an SUV "for the kids", and they never even see any highway or anything. And most of the time they're driving alone anyway getting probally upper teens fuel economy, at least in a minivan driving alone will get upper twentys.

Cant go wrong with a sienna or oddessy. I still don't trust kia or hyundai, i've seen 2 hyundais over 10 years old in my life, and both looked like they were ready to be put out to pasture. Never saw a kia that wasnt more than a few years old.

If you have no problem with chrysler (I personaly wouldnt buy one of their cars) the dodge caravan is a very good van. My mom had one, and aside from everything breaking (seatbelts, window motors, A/C, belt squealing nonstop, and a few more) it was a comfortable, safe and secure car, just had many mechanical problems (but never left us stranded) . This was back in 1996 I think, im sure the newer models are more reliable. And it's the lowest priced minivan.

If it were me i'd get a minivan that was a few years old. You're going to have 2 cars anyway, the van doesnt need to be the most reliable thing unless you're putting a lot of miles on it. Not saying it wont be unreliable or anything, just older. Plus a new one would go to waste anyway, your kids are going to trash it in a months time :P
 
Congrats on the third!
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The same situation got us into a MV 3yrs ago. If you want to go 'domestic', the only one soon to remain in the game will be Chrysler. The 2008's look pretty nice. Our 2001 windstar has been awesome and was bought used as a lease return. It's BIG, comfortable, safe and avgs 23mpg. If I was willing to pony up the bucks, we'd have a Toyota or Honda. Any of the domestics arent bad IMO. They all have the same trans & power steering issues if not maintained. The more basic, the better. Typically it's the power options that break and cause owners to whine.
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Our trailblazer will also fit 3 car seats across in the back seat. That was the only SUV in this size (and used price range) 3 would fit in.

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I'd get a crossover SUV - the Saturn Outlook or GMC Acadia get car-like gas mileage (18/26), have 3 row seating, 270hp, and they don't look like minivans!!

They also have 5-star safety ratings, OnStar, Stabilitrac and 6-bags. Why give up cool looks to get a sliding door?
 
I would probably lean toward the SUV. My wife leaned toward a van. She is the driver so I said OK. It was a 2001 Ford Windstar. Over the years I have been impressed. It is comfortable, decent gas mileage, and handles good. At 130,000 miles I have only done regular maintenace. I don't normally say good things about Fords, but this one has been a good one. I have thought about trading but she wants to keep it.
 
My mom had a '97 Pontiac Transport back in the day, and that thing was really really reliable. The only thing that went wrong in the entire 100k that she had it, was the power steering pump. Not too shabby, but I don't believe they make those anymore (they changed name to Pontiac Montana a year later). I also really like the Nissan Quest, Toyota Sienna, Mazda MPV and Honda Odyssey.
 
For 2007, the Toyota Sienna received an engine upgrade to a more powerful V6. Power and economy is now in-line with the Odyssey, but at a lower cost. Decently equipped LE models, with one power sliding door, can be had for about $23k + TTL.
 
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I would probably lean toward the SUV. My wife leaned toward a van. She is the driver so I said OK. It was a 2001 Ford Windstar. Over the years I have been impressed. It is comfortable, decent gas mileage, and handles good. At 130,000 miles I have only done regular maintenace. I don't normally say good things about Fords, but this one has been a good one. I have thought about trading but she wants to keep it.


If it runs good and doesn't cost too much repair wise it would be smart to bank the money wasted on a new vehicle.
 
Whatever you do, stay away from the Chrysler minivans. The transmissions are designed to fail at about 75,000 miles, just after warranty expiration. And they certainly live up to that design! We were a Chrysler family for many years, but that ended with our 1993 Plymouth Voyager. A piece of #@$%!!
 
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Whatever you do, stay away from the Chrysler minivans. The transmissions are designed to fail at about 75,000 miles...




My brother had a 1997 Town & Country van that went 130Kmi without a single trans issue, or service for that matter. It was falling apart though. He just traded it on a 2007 Camry LE (Kids are grown). Prior to the T&C he had a 1993 Caravan that he drove the khrap out of & sold it in ~2000 without a single trans issue. He did however, re-ring that doggie 2.5L in it.

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Whatever you do, stay away from the Chrysler minivans. The transmissions are designed to fail at about 75,000 miles, just after warranty expiration. And they certainly live up to that design! We were a Chrysler family for many years, but that ended with our 1993 Plymouth Voyager. A piece of #@$%!!




Well , then there is what "we've" experienced over here with an 06 toyota sienna ( new trans(reman)
These are somewhat significant because from the 1950s forward in roughly 120-150???( Many shorter term ) vehicles we have previously replaced three other ATs - all between 125-150K - all with some "history of abuse" behind the failure .
Our best "long term" do considerably better than that ie no failure thru 250-450K .
The very best are/were two old MOPAR A727s and one somewhat unusual HD A904/9?? as well as either behind numerous slant sixes .

The sienna has other issues as well - probably most annoying would be the 4/5 rattles that just are not going to go away w/o the dash and some other pieces coming out that "we" are unwilling to do ( The dealer is trying ) . The door "thingie" only took three tries . The tire "thingie" was resolved rather peacefully w/o benefit of the class action settlement .
At Xmas the toyota member in the familly rented a somewhat equiped 06 Chrysler TOWN/COUNTRY .
Still rated the sienna interior superior in " interior feel/appearance/quality" - but couldn't believe how much better the fuel economy was - to the point of not believing the gauge and "independently" measuring it on gas receipts/odometer/known distance which all checked out . The TC had a rental twin in a Dodge Caravan - both were tight and trouble free and very pleasant to drive . The lack of rattles was noticeable to some . I should add here in the interest of fairness , the old Land Cruiser and a very old Accord are still held in high regard . Its just for these tribes things are a bit different now - maybe shaken but not yet stirred?
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If you look around , this is a somewhat "troubled" segment (MV) with some "sources" unwilling to make a full recommendation on what is without a doubt the most "practical" segment in the industry for many , many people (including retired) and families .( Vehicles in general are increasingly complex - Minivans are no exception - in some ways the "worst" . They also are some of the most "abused" vehicles on the market)
None are perfect in any sense - but then these days what really is ?
I should mention there is also an old 95 ODYSSEY thats everybodies favorite come summer(perfect "cottage" runner) and some memories the same way concerning an older TC as well .

"Our experience" with the 06s has us waiting thru until 08 - on a desire to replace at least another 4/5 if not more - including at least the possibility of 2/3 Minivans . I say possibility because I do think some of the new crossovers will be on many peoples lists - particularly GM/Fords newest - or at least based on what people saw at the Chicago Auto Show . I believe there will be more .

I wouldn't be afraid in the least on KIA/HYUNDAI and CHRYSLER/DODGE if you want an 07 Minivan .




Realistically , look at them all - and buy the one you like that has a good dealer behind it .
Go long and you will probably use that dealer at some point regardless of your choice .

I think there is truly a kind of parity in this segment with each offering a different bundle of pluses and minuses . Maybe price and discount can break a tie . In competitive markets they all are dealing - and that will continue for at least awhile .

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I had a 94 caravan and had the 3spd auto rebuilt at a 100,000 miles. A friend of mine had a 99 Grand Caravan that went over 150,000 before the transmission went. Many of the early problems were the cause of even the dealers using the wrong transmission fluid. I just bought a 05 Grand Caravan myself and have been happy with it so far. I know three guys at work that own either the Grand Caravans or the Chrysler and one of them liked his Grand so well that he bought the Chrysler for the family.
The Kia's have a very good warranty and safety crash rating but when I took a used one out it just seemed like it was a little tinny, so I went with staying with the Dodge.
 
I would look into a Honda Odyssey or Toyota Sienna which can be had with AWD. I may also take a look at the Honda Pilot which is not a Minivan but has much room on the insed and includes a thrid row seat standard.
 
Congrats on the third child.
I just spent a couple months minivan shopping for my wife and here is some of what I've learned.

1. If you buy Honda or Toyota, buy new but wait until factory incentives are in place. These cars just don't seem to depreciate very much so buying a one or two year old used one will be comparable to getting a new one with factory incentives. We bought an 07 Sienna with package 3 (power doors, vehicle stability control, etc) at invoice (26,915). MSRP was 29,334. Then kick in the factory incentive of $1000 puts us at 25,915. Then kick in the 3.9% financing for 60 months and there is no way we can match that buying on the used market for a one or two year old Sienna.

2. If you buy Kia or Hyundai, buy used. The usually depreciate by about 5 to 6000 after one year, and there are plenty of used ones for sale. BTW, Kias and Hyundais have the best safety ratings, better than Honda and Toyota.

3. If you care about handling and fun to drive factor, buy the Honda. But the Toyota has a truly kick arse engine. 266 HP, 0-60 in 6.7 seconds.

4. Consumer reports rated the Toyota as the top minivan followed by the Honda. The Toyota has a better engine and is more reliable, on average. Other publications list the HOnda, so they flip flop.

I really wanted the Honda, but decided on the Toyota for two reasons. First, since my wife is driving it, reliability and comfort, not handling are the most important things to me. Two, couldn't beat those Toyota factory incentives. I would also serious consider the Kia or Hyundai, but the third row seats really suck, almost useless for adults. Good luck, whatever you get.
 
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Whatever you do, stay away from the Chrysler minivans. The transmissions are designed to fail at about 75,000 miles, just after warranty expiration. And they certainly live up to that design! We were a Chrysler family for many years, but that ended with our 1993 Plymouth Voyager. A piece of #@$%!!


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Designed to fail just out of warranty? Can that be done?
All makes will have thier gremlins. Personally I would lean toward Chrysler vans after owning a Voyager, Windstar, Astro, and Venture. IMO the Chrysler vans cost less overall to own and maintain.
 
We have a 99 chrysler town + country limited. I love this thing. It has been trouble free and still looks new. currently just under 100k miles. Avgs 22 mpg mostly around town and gets around 24 on hwy trips at 70. Dont beleive the hype about the hondas. I know several people with them who have had transmission and brake problems at very low miles. The honda transmission works great in a 3000 lb civic not so great in a 4000 lb van. I will definitely buy another chrysler after owning this one. dont beleive everything you read on the net "A honda pilot has as much room as a minivan" What have you been smoking ????
 
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