Microsoft banning non-IE browsers in 8RT?
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Looks like I'd do the same as I did when Vista came out, pass. I waited for Win 7, I'll stick with that. One less headache for me.
Note that the "RT" version is for ARM machines (like tablets and phones). Still, it would be interesting to see if history repeats itself in terms of browser exclusivity, especially if this limitation of the software eventually makes its way into the x64 versions of the OS, and/or ARM processors become more common in home PCs like HTPCs or other light-duty machines.
Try moving to Linux/Ubuntu, you will never look back!
Originally Posted By: clutchpain
Try moving to Linux/Ubuntu, you will never look back!
This.
Try moving to Linux/Ubuntu, you will never look back!
This.
I run linux for a few machines, but my primary is Windows. Very few games play on Linux.
The point about ARM coming about on home machines is something I didnt think about. But, I can see that happening with a full fledged Windows OS available on that platform.
The point about ARM coming about on home machines is something I didnt think about. But, I can see that happening with a full fledged Windows OS available on that platform.
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On the other hand apple uses Safari only in iphones and ipads and no one seems to mind.
Originally Posted By: friendly_jacek
On the other hand apple uses Safari only in iphones and ipads and no one seems to mind.
Of course not, why would they? Thats completely different and you know it!
On the other hand apple uses Safari only in iphones and ipads and no one seems to mind.
Of course not, why would they? Thats completely different and you know it!
Amazing how its news when Microsoft is doing it for tablet and smartphone applications, but Apple has already been doing it for years on the Iphone and Ipad. Go figure...
I will note though that the crossover into traditional PCs had not crossed my mind. It was my impression this verison of Windows 8 was not marketed at that level.
I will note though that the crossover into traditional PCs had not crossed my mind. It was my impression this verison of Windows 8 was not marketed at that level.
I have never had any problems whatsoever with the video or anything else associated with Linux/Ubuntu!
It is absolutely no mystery or bad comments relative to Linux that can't be answered on numerous forums.
It's free, you get sequential security downloads, and I have never had a security problem whatsoever!
MS on the other hand is pay for everything, security, updates, alternate programs, on and on!!
Linux on the other hand has all that free including every auxiliary program imaginable!
What does MS charge for all that, LOL!
It is absolutely no mystery or bad comments relative to Linux that can't be answered on numerous forums.
It's free, you get sequential security downloads, and I have never had a security problem whatsoever!
MS on the other hand is pay for everything, security, updates, alternate programs, on and on!!
Linux on the other hand has all that free including every auxiliary program imaginable!
What does MS charge for all that, LOL!
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Originally Posted By: clutchpain
I have never had any problems whatsoever with the video or anything else associated with Linux/Ubuntu!
It is absolutely no mystery or bad comments relative to Linux that can't be answered on numerous forums.
It's free, you get sequential security downloads, and I have never had a security problem whatsoever!
MS on the other hand is pay for everything, security, updates, alternate programs, on and on!!
Linux on the other hand has all that free including every auxiliary program imaginable!
What does MS charge for all that, LOL!
He's speaking specifically to ATI drivers and them running on Linux, which can be a challenge with new kernel releases. FC17 isn't even supported by ATI yet, and I had to modify one of the kernel files in order to get the 12.4 module/driver installed on FC16.
None of the pre-compiled versions worked with the new kernel that came out last week, so had to use the installer from ATI, with the modified kernel file so the compile wouldn't fail just to get video working again.
And all of this of course required booting into runlevel 3 because all you got was a black screen whenever it tried to run X with any of the precompiled modules available through the repositories.
And it has ALWAYS been this way trying to get the proprietary NVidia and ATI Drivers/Modules working with the most recent Linux releases. And it seems to go back and forth between who is the worst offender, though I believe ATI currently holds that crown and the NVidia stuff is, at the moment, better supported.
I've been using Linux since Slackware first came on the scene. Been using FreeBSD even longer. I'm not new to the platform by any stretch of the imagination, but even I find these situations annoying.
On Windows, you double-click an EXE and your video card drivers are installed. Most cards are supported right out of the box through Windows Update installing the drivers automatically. You don't have to worry about compiling kernel modules every time you do an update and worry about the latest video driver not being compatible, and subsequently not compiling against that latest kernel update. On Windows, you are paying to not have to deal with that. To some people, the price of having it "just work" is worth what Windows costs. And since most new PC's come with Windows as part of the package, there's no real "cost" there in the first place.
Now of course Windows has its own suite of faults even aside from the security issues it is plagued with. However the lack of "ease of use" or ease of installation of 3rd party software and hardware is not one of those faults.
I have never had any problems whatsoever with the video or anything else associated with Linux/Ubuntu!
It is absolutely no mystery or bad comments relative to Linux that can't be answered on numerous forums.
It's free, you get sequential security downloads, and I have never had a security problem whatsoever!
MS on the other hand is pay for everything, security, updates, alternate programs, on and on!!
Linux on the other hand has all that free including every auxiliary program imaginable!
What does MS charge for all that, LOL!
He's speaking specifically to ATI drivers and them running on Linux, which can be a challenge with new kernel releases. FC17 isn't even supported by ATI yet, and I had to modify one of the kernel files in order to get the 12.4 module/driver installed on FC16.
None of the pre-compiled versions worked with the new kernel that came out last week, so had to use the installer from ATI, with the modified kernel file so the compile wouldn't fail just to get video working again.
And all of this of course required booting into runlevel 3 because all you got was a black screen whenever it tried to run X with any of the precompiled modules available through the repositories.
And it has ALWAYS been this way trying to get the proprietary NVidia and ATI Drivers/Modules working with the most recent Linux releases. And it seems to go back and forth between who is the worst offender, though I believe ATI currently holds that crown and the NVidia stuff is, at the moment, better supported.
I've been using Linux since Slackware first came on the scene. Been using FreeBSD even longer. I'm not new to the platform by any stretch of the imagination, but even I find these situations annoying.
On Windows, you double-click an EXE and your video card drivers are installed. Most cards are supported right out of the box through Windows Update installing the drivers automatically. You don't have to worry about compiling kernel modules every time you do an update and worry about the latest video driver not being compatible, and subsequently not compiling against that latest kernel update. On Windows, you are paying to not have to deal with that. To some people, the price of having it "just work" is worth what Windows costs. And since most new PC's come with Windows as part of the package, there's no real "cost" there in the first place.
Now of course Windows has its own suite of faults even aside from the security issues it is plagued with. However the lack of "ease of use" or ease of installation of 3rd party software and hardware is not one of those faults.
OT:Simply use a distro that is targeted toward stability and support, like the LTS versions of Ubuntu, don't use a tech preview one like FC.
I believe W7 is there for the long haul as well; where I work skipped Vista and still has XP, but those machines are slated for refresh.
I don't really care for W7; a really hoakey and clumsy UI.
I believe W7 is there for the long haul as well; where I work skipped Vista and still has XP, but those machines are slated for refresh.
I don't really care for W7; a really hoakey and clumsy UI.
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Originally Posted By: friendly_jacek
On the other hand apple uses Safari only in iphones and ipads and no one seems to mind.
Actually, Apple ships only Safari on iPhones and iPads. However, there are multiple browsers available for iPhones and iPads on the app store. Some, like Opera are free and others, like Atomic and Mercury are $0.99. The most expensive is Skyfire @$2.99 for the iPhone and $4.99 for the iPad.
On the other hand apple uses Safari only in iphones and ipads and no one seems to mind.
Actually, Apple ships only Safari on iPhones and iPads. However, there are multiple browsers available for iPhones and iPads on the app store. Some, like Opera are free and others, like Atomic and Mercury are $0.99. The most expensive is Skyfire @$2.99 for the iPhone and $4.99 for the iPad.
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Originally Posted By: simple_gifts
OT:Simply use a distro that is targeted toward stability and support, like the LTS versions of Ubuntu, don't use a tech preview one like FC.
I believe W7 is there for the long haul as well; where I work skipped Vista and still has XP, but those machines are slated for refresh.
I don't really care for W7; a really hoakey and clumsy UI.
The LTS-style (and hardened) releases have their own issues, like the lack of "current" libraries which in many cases prevent newer software from working. I recall having that issue with Google Chrome initially on CentOS and a similar issue with another piece of software on the (at that point 6 month old) LTS release of Ubuntu.
And I was having the same style of issues with ATI support on FC14 with its older 2.6-series kernel. Every kernel update requires re-installing the driver package. And if the driver package for whatever reason won't work with that current kernel release, then you need to go grab the binary package. And if you want a GUI for that because you don't feel like using wget or browsing in Lynx, you need to edit your xorg.conf file because it tries to run the unsupported module rather than defaulting back to the integrated opensource module that at least gives you usable 2D support.
It can be a barrel of fun at times especially when you are dealing with software that isn't in the repository so you have to add another 3rd party repo, which then adds a whole pile of new versions of various system libraries that are required for said program to function. However, when you update these libraries, now you have older software that came with the distro and is not going to be updated any further in this (LTS) release that now doesn't function! So then you have to search out and find a current release of that product that works with the newer libraries you've got installed which can then involve MORE 3rd party repo's and MORE updated libraries and all kinds of fun!
I've been at this for close to 20 years. There are many, MANY things in Linux that get glossed over because it is "free" and whoever is pushing it is hyped over the product and thinks that admitting to any of the product's drawbacks will make it less appealing.
Linux is a great OS, and if you have an Intel video card, or don't want/need any of the proprietary driver features offered by the NVidia or ATI packages, it tends to work very well "out of the box". It is when you want to deviate from what the vendor offers through their own repository, or have REALLY new hardware and need the latest binary package from ATI/NVidia that issues start to come up.
OT:Simply use a distro that is targeted toward stability and support, like the LTS versions of Ubuntu, don't use a tech preview one like FC.
I believe W7 is there for the long haul as well; where I work skipped Vista and still has XP, but those machines are slated for refresh.
I don't really care for W7; a really hoakey and clumsy UI.
The LTS-style (and hardened) releases have their own issues, like the lack of "current" libraries which in many cases prevent newer software from working. I recall having that issue with Google Chrome initially on CentOS and a similar issue with another piece of software on the (at that point 6 month old) LTS release of Ubuntu.
And I was having the same style of issues with ATI support on FC14 with its older 2.6-series kernel. Every kernel update requires re-installing the driver package. And if the driver package for whatever reason won't work with that current kernel release, then you need to go grab the binary package. And if you want a GUI for that because you don't feel like using wget or browsing in Lynx, you need to edit your xorg.conf file because it tries to run the unsupported module rather than defaulting back to the integrated opensource module that at least gives you usable 2D support.
It can be a barrel of fun at times especially when you are dealing with software that isn't in the repository so you have to add another 3rd party repo, which then adds a whole pile of new versions of various system libraries that are required for said program to function. However, when you update these libraries, now you have older software that came with the distro and is not going to be updated any further in this (LTS) release that now doesn't function! So then you have to search out and find a current release of that product that works with the newer libraries you've got installed which can then involve MORE 3rd party repo's and MORE updated libraries and all kinds of fun!
I've been at this for close to 20 years. There are many, MANY things in Linux that get glossed over because it is "free" and whoever is pushing it is hyped over the product and thinks that admitting to any of the product's drawbacks will make it less appealing.
Linux is a great OS, and if you have an Intel video card, or don't want/need any of the proprietary driver features offered by the NVidia or ATI packages, it tends to work very well "out of the box". It is when you want to deviate from what the vendor offers through their own repository, or have REALLY new hardware and need the latest binary package from ATI/NVidia that issues start to come up.
Originally Posted By: Colt45ws
I run linux for a few machines, but my primary is Windows. Very few games play on Linux.
The point about ARM coming about on home machines is something I didnt think about. But, I can see that happening with a full fledged Windows OS available on that platform.
The article linked to in the first post isn't "a full fledged Windows OS" that runs on ARM so much as a distant cousin of Windows that happens to use the Windows name. OS/2 Warp is closer to being "a full fledged Windows OS" than that thing is. If it were really Windows, it would be able to run basic Windows programs that use the basic Windows API with a simple recompile.
I run linux for a few machines, but my primary is Windows. Very few games play on Linux.
The point about ARM coming about on home machines is something I didnt think about. But, I can see that happening with a full fledged Windows OS available on that platform.
The article linked to in the first post isn't "a full fledged Windows OS" that runs on ARM so much as a distant cousin of Windows that happens to use the Windows name. OS/2 Warp is closer to being "a full fledged Windows OS" than that thing is. If it were really Windows, it would be able to run basic Windows programs that use the basic Windows API with a simple recompile.
Originally Posted By: rg200amp
Originally Posted By: friendly_jacek
On the other hand apple uses Safari only in iphones and ipads and no one seems to mind.
Funny. I am on my iPad using opera web browser....
I must have missed the memo......
Don't say that aloud! If your iPad hears you, Opera will stop working just like when Wile E. Coyote looks down.
Originally Posted By: friendly_jacek
On the other hand apple uses Safari only in iphones and ipads and no one seems to mind.
Funny. I am on my iPad using opera web browser....
I must have missed the memo......
Don't say that aloud! If your iPad hears you, Opera will stop working just like when Wile E. Coyote looks down.
Originally Posted By: yonyon
Originally Posted By: Colt45ws
I run linux for a few machines, but my primary is Windows. Very few games play on Linux.
The point about ARM coming about on home machines is something I didnt think about. But, I can see that happening with a full fledged Windows OS available on that platform.
The article linked to in the first post isn't "a full fledged Windows OS" that runs on ARM so much as a distant cousin of Windows that happens to use the Windows name. OS/2 Warp is closer to being "a full fledged Windows OS" than that thing is. If it were really Windows, it would be able to run basic Windows programs that use the basic Windows API with a simple recompile.
Oh, I thought it was the same setup just that it ran on ARM. I dont pay much attention to W8 devlopment. Ive tried some of the prereleases and found it full of FAIL so Im just not interested.
Originally Posted By: Colt45ws
I run linux for a few machines, but my primary is Windows. Very few games play on Linux.
The point about ARM coming about on home machines is something I didnt think about. But, I can see that happening with a full fledged Windows OS available on that platform.
The article linked to in the first post isn't "a full fledged Windows OS" that runs on ARM so much as a distant cousin of Windows that happens to use the Windows name. OS/2 Warp is closer to being "a full fledged Windows OS" than that thing is. If it were really Windows, it would be able to run basic Windows programs that use the basic Windows API with a simple recompile.
Oh, I thought it was the same setup just that it ran on ARM. I dont pay much attention to W8 devlopment. Ive tried some of the prereleases and found it full of FAIL so Im just not interested.
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