Microsoft banning non-IE browsers in 8RT?

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Originally Posted By: Rand
until you spend 4 hours trying to fix the ati video drivers after a kernel upgrade ;P


Go to Nvidia and avoid the problems.
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I got an Nvidia card and an HP printer for their Linux support. Ironically, the HP install on Linux was simply plug and play, not quite so much on the office Windoze machine.
 
Yeah, nVidia on Linux isn't really a big issue. Drivers really only become a problem if you choose to install them outside the package manager. Once you've done that, just remember not to delete the installer because if there's a kernel update you need to run the installer again.

If you decide to use the binary installer, then delete it, then allow a kernel update.... well, I guess that's like changing your oil, then after driving until it's time to change your oil again you drain it without checking that you have enough tio fill up again. Oops, now there's the hassle of going out to get more when you can't drive your car. The big difference is that this is some magic car that would have changed it's own oil as needed using something that's "good enough" forever if you hadn't decided to do it yourself that one first time.
 
Originally Posted By: yonyon
Yeah, nVidia on Linux isn't really a big issue. Drivers really only become a problem if you choose to install them outside the package manager. Once you've done that, just remember not to delete the installer because if there's a kernel update you need to run the installer again.

If you decide to use the binary installer, then delete it, then allow a kernel update.... well, I guess that's like changing your oil, then after driving until it's time to change your oil again you drain it without checking that you have enough tio fill up again. Oops, now there's the hassle of going out to get more when you can't drive your car. The big difference is that this is some magic car that would have changed it's own oil as needed using something that's "good enough" forever if you hadn't decided to do it yourself that one first time.


The real fun is when you keep the binary installer, but the new kernel isn't supported by the binary installer you have, and then you have to go get the NEW ATI binary installer, which they seem to release every bloody week.

OR

You get the kernel update, discover your old binary installer doesn't work with the new kernel, neither do any of the precompiled packages AND there is no new version available from the vendor yet.

SO, then you can't use the new kernel until the vendor releases a new binary installer that fixes it, or somebody releases a hack/patch/workaround that makes the binary installer that IS available work with the new kernel
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And NVidia has had issues in the past too. But you typically had to have REALLY NEW hardware to experience those same sorts of issues. I'm dealing with the current ATI issues with a Radeon 5870, hardly cutting edge at this point.

I have at least 5 different versions of ATI's binary installer right now in my downloads folder for the next time I upgrade my kernel, LOL! Because invariably, the latest one may not work for whatever reason
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Originally Posted By: Garak
I tried the "backwards" way the first time. I quit updating kernels until everything worked itself through, now it's all seamless.


Redhat pushes out kernels a lot more frequently for Fedora than I think other distros get. So I get to experience kernel updates a bit more frequently than my Ubuntu brethren I imagine.
 
Microsoft has some interesting ideas for Win8 on x86 and on ARM devices. I can't see it panning out the way they plan, but who knows. My future is somewhat dependent on the whole Windows 8 tablet premise. Although I do not like it as a desktop OS, it may work in the tablet space. Realistically though, Win7 is great on tablets compared to XP Tablet. And XP Tablet was great on tablets compared to Win2K, which was much better than 98...95...3.11 for pen computing, etc.



I rarely use Linux, but have it on a couple low powered machines and support a couple customers who use it. What cracks me up is that in the 80's through the mid '90's we used SCO UNIX System V for our Informix servers and as tty hosts on x86 platforms. They were more reliable back then than Windows is today. It was not uncommon to go to a customer site and check the uptime on a box and see that it had not rebooted in a year or more, only coming down due to hardware failure or upgrade.
 
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Originally Posted By: Colt45ws
I don't always run Linux.
But when I do, its Gentoo.
Keep compiling, my friends.
WORK THOSE BOXEN!


Man, I used to be hardcore Gentoo for probably 5 or 6 years. Then I went back to slack, then went on my current Fedora kick.
 
Never really got off of mine.
My first distro was Slack. Which, I blew up; `rm -rf *`
Then I got it installed again and blew it up not too much later. I forgot what I did that time though.
Then I did a Stage 1 Gentoo install and have not had anymore problems.
 
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Originally Posted By: Colt45ws
Never really got off of mine.
My first distro was Slack. Which, I blew up; `rm -rf *`
Then I got it installed again and blew it up not too much later. I forgot what I did that time though.
Then I did a Stage 1 Gentoo install and have not had anymore problems.


My first was slack too, back in the mid 90's. I had the big box of it, came on like 6 CD's and with some massive Linux bible.

Built my own kernels and stuff for it, compiled a newer version of X....etc.

Then got into Redhat. Then discovered Gentoo. Had a love affair with that for those 5 or 6 years (yes, Stage 1 FTW) which spanned many machines then hopped back into FreeBSD, then when I came back to Linux on this box I used Ubuntu for a bit and then went to Fedora.

I'm an "update [censored]", and I love to have the latest versions of software. Fedora delivers in that department. Of course along with all the issues that go along with that
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Reading all this "binary installer vs. new kernel" reminiscence just makes me hold on to my Win XP and Win7 tighter.

I upgrade hardware, and it WORKS, usually on the first try.

I was happy to abandon MS-DOS, PC-DOS and move to Win 3.11 and Windows fr Workgroups GUIs.

Next time someone pushes -NIX on the board, I will direct them to this thread.
 
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
So I get to experience kernel updates a bit more frequently than my Ubuntu brethren I imagine.


Yes, they're not ridiculously often, and when they do happen, they're quite seamless these days.
 
Originally Posted By: Ursae_Majoris
Reading all this "binary installer vs. new kernel" reminiscence just makes me hold on to my Win XP and Win7 tighter.


You may be reading these things from people who enjoy or at least choose to involve themselves at that level of system administration. Using a more user-friendly distribution enable you to choose to take an entirely hands-off approach.
 
Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
So I get to experience kernel updates a bit more frequently than my Ubuntu brethren I imagine.


Yes, they're not ridiculously often, and when they do happen, they're quite seamless these days.


There was one yesterday (LMAO!!!)
 
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
There was one yesterday (LMAO!!!)


And for Flash, I just got another one about a week ago. I guess the "final" version for Linux still hasn't worked its way through the pipe.

I know my first round with my nVidia card, I definitely left my kernel alone after an upgrade screwed up the drivers. Fortunately, all that's been resolved.

The only real "Lord save me" moment I had with Linux was when I had to install a NIC, after the onboard one suddenly quit working. The package stated that all the Linux stuff was included on the CD. Okay, great. I put the card in, but didn't connect the cable yet, and popped in the CD. There were three source code packages (nothing precompiled at all), with little indication of which one to use. And I've only compiled from source a very few number of times, so I was a bit concerned. After all, if I don't have my dependencies met to make the NIC work, how can I get on the internet to download the dependencies to make the NIC work?

I decided to just plug in the internet and see what happened. Well, it worked plug and play. What a relief that was.
 
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Originally Posted By: friendly_jacek
On the other hand apple uses Safari only in iphones and ipads and no one seems to mind.


Funny. I am on my iPad using opera web browser....

I must have missed the memo......


Got Firefox on the work I-Phone, and it's clunky, but still there.

BTW, Firefox, and plugincontainer seem to want to own the entire memory of my netbook, and are in danger of being ditched.
 
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Originally Posted By: morris
is Microsoft a hand cream?


If the try and offer Windows 8 without a user choice to select the default UI of desktop, they will be looking for something else to sell.

Metro for laptops and desktops is UNUSABLE.
 
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